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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2012, 09:24:12 PM »
A great piece of history! The Super Pumper and Searchlight Units were still in service, the War Years were going on, 90 multi-alarm jobs in one month, and of course, FDNY Bronx Engine 82 with the most runs, and Ladder 31 with the third most runs. Busiest Divisions: 4th, 6th, and 15th(the hot spots). Great rundowns too!

Quick question, I see Ambulance 1, was that an FDNY bus pre-merger with NYC EMS? Also, were there only two tower ladders at that time(1 & 14) or was there also one in Brooklyn?
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2012, 10:29:23 PM »
L105 was the first Tower Ladder in Bklyn.

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2012, 10:36:24 PM »
A great piece of history! The Super Pumper and Searchlight Units were still in service, the War Years were going on, 90 multi-alarm jobs in one month, and of course, FDNY Bronx Engine 82 with the most runs, and Ladder 31 with the third most runs. Busiest Divisions: 4th, 6th, and 15th(the hot spots). Great rundowns too!

Quick question, I see Ambulance 1, was that an FDNY bus pre-merger with NYC EMS? Also, were there only two tower ladders at that time(1 & 14) or was there also one in Brooklyn?

  As I remember, Ambulance 1 was a piece of FDNY apparatus. It was not a part of the NYC EMS. And as I remember  the two first tower ladders assigned to TL 1 and TL 14 (Macks) both in Manhattan. At the time, there was no Tower Ladder in Brooklyn. As John said, later TL 105 was assigned a Tower Ladder.

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2012, 02:22:46 AM »
John248,
I believe 119 was the first tower in Brooklyn (much to 105's chagrin).
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2012, 10:54:13 AM »
I also believe that it was TL 119, and TL 14 that recieved the only two Sutphen Tower Ladders. I think there's pictures somewhere on this site of them. The others that were different was the ALF rearmount TL's that 14 and 163 recieved.

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2012, 11:19:28 AM »
When TL-14 got their ALF TL didn't they keep the Sutphen in quarters as their spare??
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2012, 12:44:35 PM »
Was assigned to L127 as ff. Was promoted to Lt. 8/69. It was shortly after this that 127 received the first TL in Queens.

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2012, 09:46:50 PM »
14 & 119 had the Sutphens  .....after 14s was replaced 119 had both Sutphens 1 as their regular rig & the other as a spare only to be used by them.......a fact about the Sutphens was that they had pumps......the agreement between the City & the Unions was that the pumps would only be used to boost pressure from a line into the TL already being supplied by an ENG.

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2012, 10:09:45 PM »
14 & 119 had the Sutphens  .....after 14s was replaced 119 had both Sutphens 1 as their regular rig & the other as a spare only to be used by them.......a fact about the Sutphens was that they had pumps......the agreement between the City & the Unions was that the pumps would only be used to boost pressure from a line into the TL already being supplied by an ENG.
I think 119 eventually got an ALF 100' tower. If and when they did, what happened to the two Sutphens?

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 12:40:05 AM »
No, I don't think 119 ever got that ALF Rearmount Tower Ladder

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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2012, 02:51:22 AM »
No, I don't think 119 ever got that ALF Rearmount Tower Ladder
  You're right Willy, they had the 1981 "TOWER OF POWER" Sutphen. ;)

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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2012, 05:30:01 AM »
After the Sutphens 119 had Mack TLs.

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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2012, 08:19:37 AM »
Both types of Tower Ladders, the two Sutphens & also the two ALF's had pumps in them. One set was 1250 GPM & the other was rated at 1500 GPM. I forget which was which, SORRY!

There was a fire in the South Bronx one evening where the staff chief instructed the dispatcher to special call Ladder 119 to the fire with their Sutphen Tower. L-119 used their pumps & put the fire out. After that incident the other unit who had the same rig started using their pumps too.

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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2012, 09:04:02 AM »
Sutphen TL-14 was a 1980 model with a 1250 pump. TL-119, the "Tower of Power" was a 1981 modeil similar to the 1980 model and also had a 1250 pump. Info from "Wheels of the Bravest"
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2012, 06:58:13 PM »
Although not Fire service related this is an amazing story that was fwd to me by a friend......it concerns an awesome feat performed in 1943 during WW 2......unfortunately the pictures of the plane after landing did not transfer.....HERE IS THE STORY....A mid-air collision on February 1, 1943, between a B-17 and a German fighter over the Tunis dock area, became the subject of one of the most famous photographs of World War II. An enemy fighter attacking a 97th Bomb Group formation went out of control, probably with a wounded pilot then continued its crashing descent into the rear of the fuselage of a Fortress named All American, piloted by Lt. Kendrick R. Bragg, of the 414th Bomb Squadron. When it struck, the fighter broke apart, but left some pieces in the B-17. The left horizontal stabilizer of the Fortress and left elevator were completely torn away. The two right engines were out and one on the left had a serious oil pump leak. The vertical fin and the rudder had been damaged, the fuselage had been cut almost completely through connected only at two small parts of the frame and the radios, electrical and oxygen systems were damaged. There was also a hole in the top that was over 16 feet long and 4 feet wide at its widest and the split in the fuselage went all the way to the top gunners turret.

 


Although the tail actually bounced and swayed in the wind and twisted when the plane turned and all the control cables were severed, except one single elevator cable still worked, and the aircraft still flew - miraculously! The tail gunner was trapped because there was no floor connecting the tail to the rest of the plane. The waist and tail gunners used parts of the German fighter and their own parachute harnesses in an attempt to keep the tail from ripping off and the two sides of the fuselage from splitting apart. While the crew was trying to keep the bomber from coming apart, the pilot continued on his bomb run and released his bombs over the target.


 


When the bomb bay doors were opened, the wind turbulence was so great that it blew one of the waist gunners into the broken tail section. It took several minutes and four crew members to pass him ropes from parachutes and haul him back into the forward part of the plane. When they tried to do the same for the tail gunner, the tail began flapping so hard that it began to break off. The weight of the gunner was adding some stability to the tail section, so he went back to his position.

The turn back toward England had to be very slow to keep the tail from twisting off. They actually covered almost 70 miles to make the turn home. The bomber was so badly damaged that it was losing altitude and speed and was soon alone in the sky. For a brief time, two more Me-109 German fighters attacked the All American. Despite the extensive damage, all of the machine gunners were able to respond to these attacks and soon drove off the fighters. The two waist gunners stood up with their heads sticking out through the hole in the top of the fuselage to aim and fire their machine guns. The tail gunner had to shoot in short bursts because the recoil was actually causing the plane to turn.

Allied P-51 fighters intercepted the All American as it crossed over the Channel and took one of the pictures shown. They also radioed to the base describing that the empennage was waving like a fish tail and that the plane would not make it and to send out boats to rescue the crew when they bailed out. The fighters stayed with the Fortress taking hand signals from Lt. Bragg and relaying them to the base. Lt. Bragg signaled that 5 parachutes and the spare had been "used" so five of the crew could not bail out. He made the decision that if they could not bail out safely, then he would stay with the plane and land it.

Two and a half hours after being hit, the aircraft made its final turn to line up with the runway while it was still over 40 miles away. It descended into an emergency landing and a normal roll-out on its landing gear.

When the ambulance pulled alongside, it was waved off because not a single member of the crew had been injured. No one could believe that the aircraft could still fly in such a condition. The Fortress sat placidly until the crew all exited through the door in the fuselage and the tail gunner had climbed down a ladder, at which time the entire rear section of the aircraft collapsed onto the ground. The rugged old bird had done its job.