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« Reply #2040 on: October 10, 2017, 01:12:33 PM »
Seeing the picture of the Mack Tower Ladder L 105 had, I believe they were the second company to have a Tower Ladder after TL 1.  Possibly L 14 had one prior to L 105 but I think they wanted one in Brooklyn.
  I believe Tower Ladders were in this order: 1964-1, 1966-14, 1969(4)-44, 105, 119, 127 ;)

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« Reply #2041 on: October 10, 2017, 01:50:48 PM »
119 got the first tower in Brooklyn, 105 got the second tower in Brooklyn

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« Reply #2042 on: October 10, 2017, 03:24:45 PM »
Thanks Jim and Tom.  Remembering back to 1966 is not always easy.

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« Reply #2043 on: October 10, 2017, 04:44:34 PM »
Which was the first Staten Island tower ladder?

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« Reply #2044 on: October 10, 2017, 04:59:29 PM »
TL-77, MT 7104?
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« Reply #2045 on: October 10, 2017, 06:57:31 PM »
Ladder 127 - first tower ladder in Queens - 1969:

     

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« Reply #2046 on: October 10, 2017, 07:01:08 PM »
Seeing the picture of the Mack Tower Ladder L 105 had, I believe they were the second company to have a Tower Ladder after TL 1.  Possibly L 14 had one prior to L 105 but I think they wanted one in Brooklyn.
  I believe Tower Ladders were in this order: 1964-1, 1966-14, 1969(4)-44, 105, 119, 127 ;)

Ladder 1 1964:

     

Ladderm 14 1966:

     

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« Reply #2047 on: October 10, 2017, 07:15:42 PM »
TL 1 1966 WNYF:

     

TL 1  1967 WNYF:

     



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« Reply #2048 on: October 10, 2017, 07:59:08 PM »
WNYF introduction to the Mack Aerial Platform or AP - Third Issue 1963:









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« Reply #2049 on: October 11, 2017, 10:53:54 AM »
Additional Engine 219 history:

     


Engine 219 with two-star World War II Service Flag - no caption with picture - may be two Engine 219 members returning after the war.  Over 1700 FDNY members and about 60 FDNY civilian members served in the military during World War II.  In addition, many more World War II and Korean War veterans became FDNY firefighters after the war.
 

Blue Star Service Flags:

   

     "The Service flag is an official banner authorized by the Department of Defense for display by families who have members serving in the Armed Forces during any period of war or hostilities the United States may be engaged in for the duration of such hostilities.  The Service flag, also called the Blue Star Flag, was designed and patented by WWI Army Captain Robert L. Queisser of the 5th Ohio Infantry who had two sons serving on the front line. The flag quickly became the unofficial symbol of a child in service. President Wilson became part of this history when in 1918 he approved a suggestion made by the Women's Committee of the Council of National Defenses that mothers who had lost a child serving in the war wear a gold gilt star on the traditional black mourning arm band. This led to the tradition of covering the blue star with a gold star on the Service flag to indicate that the service member has died.  During WWII the practice of displaying the Service flag became much more widespread. Most flags were hand made by mothers across the nation. One of the most famous flags was that of the five Sullivan brothers who all perished on the U.S.S. Juneau.

     The Blue Star Mothers was founded as a Veteran Service Organization and was part of a movement to provide care packages to military members serving overseas and also provided assistance to families who encountered hardships as a result of their son or husband serving in the war.  In 1960 Congress chartered the Blue Star Mothers of America as a Veterans Service Organization and in 1966, the Department of Defense revised the specifications for design, manufacture and display of the Service flag.  The Department of Defense specifies that family members authorized to display the flag include the wife, husband, mother, father, stepmother or father, parent through adoption, foster parents, children, stepchildren, children through adoption, brothers, sisters and half brothers or sisters of a member of the Armed Forces of the United States. The flag should be displayed in a window of the residence of persons authorized.

     The Service flag may also be displayed by an organization to honor the members of that organization serving during a period of war or hostilities.  The Service Flag is an indoor flag and should be flown facing out from the front window of the home or organization.  If the U.S. flag is also displayed with the Service flag, the U.S. flag should be of equal or greater proportions and should take the place of honor above the Service flag.

     Each blue star on the flag represents a service member in active duty. A gold star is displayed if a service member is killed in action or dies in service. If several stars are displayed by one family the gold star takes the honor of being placed at the top. The gold star should be slightly smaller than the blue star to create a blue border surrounding the gold star.
Display of a Service Star Banner is done during times of war. Once again families are displaying banners at home. Blue Star Flags may be purchased through the internet, at stores, or made by hand."

     - from https://www.bluestarmothers.org/service-flag

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« Reply #2050 on: October 11, 2017, 12:24:06 PM »
E 219 R&Ws 1964-2016:

Year Engine Runs EMS Workers OSW All Hands
1964 219    1919   0       556     0
1965 219    1975   0       546     0
1966 219    2209   0       588     0
1967 219    2911   0     1192     0
1968 219    3301   0     1399     0
1969 219    3371   0     1487     0
1970 219    3516   0     1569     0
1971 219    3721   0     1638     0
1972 219    3267   0     1470     0
1973 219    2980   0     1702     0
1974 219    2922   0     1690     0
1975 219    3827   0     2424     0 
1976 219    3673   0     2463     0 
1977 219    4048   0     2866     0 
1978 219    3869   0     2697     0 
1979 219    2874   0     1721     0 
1980 219    3228   0     1883     0 
1981 219    2540   0     1473     0 
1982 219    2595   0     1304     0 
1983 219    1981   0     1056   204 
1984 219    2190   0     1178       
1985 219    2214   0     1157   196 
1986 219    1936   0     1113   196 
1987 219    2079   0     1171   182 
1988 219    2059   0     1137   163 
1989 219    2123   0     1129   201 
1990 219    2281   0     1135   192 
1991 219    2416   0     1211   183 
1992 219    2494   0     1230   182 
1993 219    2363   0     1042   159 
1994 219    2218   0     1067   174 
1995 219    2827   0     1723   192 
1996 219    2665 290    1554   194 
1997 219    2299 557    1455   199 
1998 219    2641 536    1483   162 
1999 219    2508 518    1535   195 
2000 219    2414 565    1596   183 
2001 219    2335 488    1407   177 
2002 219    2528 585    1564   171 
2003 219    2714 628    1586   181 
2004 219    2740 668    1468   190 
2005 219    3065 738    1907   205 
2006 219    3015 824    1799   200 
2007 219    3098 832    1759   171 
2008 219    2881 839    1844   182 
2009 219    2910 309    1933   219 
2010 219    2998 842    1912   238  36
2011 219    2912 880    1911   237  66
2012 219    2693 828    1727   166  37
2013 219    29751001   1833   139  61
2014 219    3068 922    1811   165  45
Year Engine Runs EMS Emerg  Fires All Hands
2015 219    3363 951    1796   616  53
2016 219    33261049   1760   517  86

Ladder 105 R&Ws 1964-2016:

Year Ladder Runs EMS Workers OSW All Hands
1964 105     2771        1106      0
1965 105     2787        1176      0
1966 105     3253        1354      0
1967 105     4352        2720      0
1968 105     4777        3102      0
1969 105     4525        3002      0
1970 105     5179        3384      0
1971 105     5115        3381      0
1972 105     5159        3426      0
1973 105     5041        3413      0
1974 105     5455        3460      0   9th busiest FDNY ladder company
1975 105     5322        3487      0 
1976 105     5088        3447      0 
1977 105     4937        3345      0 
1978 105     3850        2600      0 
1979 105     3759        2472      0 
1980 105     4000        2502      0 
1981 105     3402        2074      0 
1982 105     3470        2075      0 
1983 105     2871        1662    440 
1984 105     3394        2009      0 
1985 105     3545        2149    467 
1986 105     3052        1883    356 
1987 105     3153        1987    380 
1988 105     3000        1848    369 
1989 105     3131        1985    381 
1990 105     3020        1983    355 
1991 105     3183        2101    358 
1992 105     3259        2291    366 
1993 105     3069        2097    357 
1994 105     3063        2144    347 
1995 105     3303        2290    355 
1996 105     3425 76   2433    375 
1997 105     3362 243 2258    401 
1998 105     2900 48   1927    324 
1999 105     2950 37   2050    370 
2000 105     2950 35   2100    390 
2001 105     2900       2050    386 
2002 105     3033       2193    405 
2003 105     2953       2196    358 
2004 105     2912       2125    351 
2005 105     3260       2433    357 
2006 105     2912       2358    357 
2007 105     3340       2045    484 
2008 105     2965       2439    442 
2009 105     2912       2427    439 
2010 105     3189       2688    424   49
2011 105     3008       2535    431   78
2012 105     3011       2542    402   54
2013 105     3011       2426    404   65
2014 105     3456       2791    415   75
Year Ladder Runs EMS Emerg  Fires All Hands
2015 105     3914       3217    617   79
2016 105     3899       3215    614   86           
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« Reply #2051 on: October 11, 2017, 01:36:03 PM »
I believe Tower Ladders were in this order: 1964-1, 1966-14, 1969(4)-44, 105, 119, 127 ;)
Has there ever been an article or chronology on the implementation of tower ladders throughout the department from 1964 until all were in place?

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« Reply #2052 on: October 11, 2017, 05:27:52 PM »
I believe Tower Ladders were in this order: 1964-1, 1966-14, 1969(4)-44, 105, 119, 127 ;)
Has there ever been an article or chronology on the implementation of tower ladders throughout the department from 1964 until all were in place?

There was a First Issue WNYF feature summarizing early tower ladder experience - "Tower Ladder .... A-OK" but it only has general experience: 

     

     

     
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« Reply #2053 on: October 12, 2017, 08:00:01 AM »
I believe Tower Ladders were in this order: 1964-1, 1966-14, 1969(4)-44, 105, 119, 127 ;)
Has there ever been an article or chronology on the implementation of tower ladders throughout the department from 1964 until all were in place?

There was a First Issue WNYF feature summarizing early tower ladder experience - "Tower Ladder .... A-OK" but it only has general experience: 

     

     

     


You pretty much covered the early Mack C-Model tower assignments. By the 1970s, when a Company was newly assigned a Tower it was published on the Department Orders. In fact beforehand, I think the Orders also published when a Company was sent for "New Apparatus Training".  Can't remember if this policy lasted until all the Tower Ladder Companies were equipped.

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« Reply #2054 on: October 12, 2017, 12:35:28 PM »
As far as I remember, the Dept Orders listed companies going for training on new apparatus (both tower ladders, rearmounts, rapid water, etc.). I don't remember the Orders listing when new apparatus actually went in service. The Fire Bell Club's "News & Notes" listed new apparatus when it went into service and was a good source for "who had what". In addition to the listing when a rig went in service, the Firs Bell Club also did an annual summary of apparatus assigned to companies.
The Bell Club's "News & Notes" as well as Chief Calderone's book on Mack CF apparatus both provide an excellent time line of when different rigs went in service and to which companies these rigs were assigned.