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Offline billyfromhill

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10-75 vs All Hands
« on: November 12, 2017, 09:42:50 PM »
Is a 10-75 the same as an all hands? Is the all hands signal transmitted first and then the 10-75? I see that the division chief is now added on the all hands so that would seem to imply that the 10-75 comes after the all hands.

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10-75 vs All Hands
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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 10:40:50 PM »
10-75 is a preliminary signal to get a possible working Fire or Emergency response including 4 ENGs 2 LADs for FF & 1 LAD as FAST (FF Assist & Search Team) plus 2 BNs...a Rescue a Squad & the assigned DC ....if they are used then a 75 (All Hands) is transmitted with possibly a special call for another ENG & LAD ...after that if needed then a Second Alarm would be transmitted generally.

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 10:20:59 PM »
Is a 10-75 the same as an all hands? Is the all hands signal transmitted first and then the 10-75? I see that the division chief is now added on the all hands so that would seem to imply that the 10-75 comes after the all hands.

The first arriving Co. on the box transmits the 10-75, which is a request (usually URGENT) for a FULL 1st Alarm assignment.  It is when the entire FULL 1st Alarm assingment is put to work that the Chief in charge transmits the "ALL HANDS".  Depending on the location of the Dep. Chief (Division Chief) he/she my very well arrive after the "ALL Hands" has been transmitted.

But in any case the 10-75 comes before the "ALL HANDS".  There are a few exceptions - if the dispatcher announces that he is giving a FULL 1st Alarm Assignment due to calls, then you may here the term - "ALL HANDS ON ARRIVAL, but even then there is a good chance that whatever company arrives would still transmit the 10-75.

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 10:30:31 PM »
Is a 10-75 the same as an all hands? Is the all hands signal transmitted first and then the 10-75? I see that the division chief is now added on the all hands so that would seem to imply that the 10-75 comes after the all hands.

Here, take a look at the following - there have been a few revisions to date.

FDNY Dispatch Policy

http://www.fdnewyork.com/aa.asp

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2017, 04:42:53 PM »
An all-hands is, at the least, three engines (or two engines and a squad), two ladders and a battalion chief working.  There are plenty of all hands where no 10-75 was given.
It's impossible to say what the maximum is for an all-hands.
For example, a 10-76 with all responding units put to work is still just an all-hands, right?

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2017, 06:00:26 PM »
I have noticed lately that some Dispatchers are transmitting the All Hands on a
request for an extra E&T

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2017, 06:30:39 PM »
When the 10-75 is transmitted a 4th engine is assigned PLUS a squad a rescue  additional battalion cheif  deptuy cheif  a Fast truck... if a squad is on the orignal assignment..an additional squad  is assigned as a Squad..if the cheif requires additional units then he can request and additional engine and truck..that would make 5 engines total..if there is a need for more then a 2nd alarm has to be transmitted..the cheif on scene can request as many trucks as he wants without the transmissiin of an additional alarm

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2017, 06:54:54 PM »
I have noticed lately that some Dispatchers are transmitting the All Hands on a
request for an extra E&T

Nowadays some dispatchers will add the extra E&T when the CIDS indicates w/b etc. and then immediately transmit the All Hands.

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2017, 08:41:03 PM »
An all-hands is, at the least, three engines (or two engines and a squad), two ladders and a battalion chief working.  There are plenty of all hands where no 10-75 was given.
It's impossible to say what the maximum is for an all-hands.
For example, a 10-76 with all responding units put to work is still just an all-hands, right?

Nope!  A 10-76 is a special code for a fire is a residential high-rise, just as a 10-77 is for a commercial high-rise.  More units are assigned on a 10-76 & 10-77 then are assigned on a 10-75.

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2017, 08:43:12 PM »
I have noticed lately that some Dispatchers are transmitting the All Hands on a
request for an extra E&T

In the old days that would be a Dispather's "All Hands", just like a Dispatchers 2nd or 3rd alarm as a result of numerous special calls.

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2017, 08:45:50 PM »
When the 10-75 is transmitted a 4th engine is assigned PLUS a squad a rescue  additional battalion cheif  deptuy cheif  a Fast truck... if a squad is on the orignal assignment..an additional squad  is assigned as a Squad..if the cheif requires additional units then he can request and additional engine and truck..that would make 5 engines total..if there is a need for more then a 2nd alarm has to be transmitted..the cheif on scene can request as many trucks as he wants without the transmissiin of an additional alarm

Except that additional Tower Ladders require additional engines for water supply.

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2017, 08:48:51 PM »
An all-hands is, at the least, three engines (or two engines and a squad), two ladders and a battalion chief working.  There are plenty of all hands where no 10-75 was given.
It's impossible to say what the maximum is for an all-hands.
For example, a 10-76 with all responding units put to work is still just an all-hands, right?

Nope!  A 10-76 is a special code for a fire is a residential high-rise, just as a 10-77 is for a commercial high-rise.  More units are assigned on a 10-76 & 10-77 then are assigned on a 10-75.

Other way around, 76 commercial, 77 residential

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2017, 09:27:12 PM »
An all-hands is, at the least, three engines (or two engines and a squad), two ladders and a battalion chief working.  There are plenty of all hands where no 10-75 was given.
It's impossible to say what the maximum is for an all-hands.
For example, a 10-76 with all responding units put to work is still just an all-hands, right?

Nope!  A 10-76 is a special code for a fire is a residential high-rise, just as a 10-77 is for a commercial high-rise.  More units are assigned on a 10-76 & 10-77 then are assigned on a 10-75.

Other way around, 76 commercial, 77 residential


Opps!!!  Yes, quite right - silly me!

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2017, 09:28:13 PM »
An all-hands is, at the least, three engines (or two engines and a squad), two ladders and a battalion chief working.  There are plenty of all hands where no 10-75 was given.
It's impossible to say what the maximum is for an all-hands.
For example, a 10-76 with all responding units put to work is still just an all-hands, right?

Nope!  A 10-76 is a special code for a fire is a residential high-rise, just as a 10-77 is for a commercial high-rise.  More units are assigned on a 10-76 & 10-77 then are assigned on a 10-75.

Other way around, 76 commercial, 77 residential

Opps!!  Yes, quite right - silly me!

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Re: 10-75 vs All Hands
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2017, 10:54:51 PM »
I have noticed lately that some Dispatchers are transmitting the All Hands on a
request for an extra E&T

Nowadays some dispatchers will add the extra E&T when the CIDS indicates w/b etc. and then immediately transmit the All Hands.

 I believe it's implied that If an Extra E & T are needed; Then AH are Operating