Author Topic: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638  (Read 21013 times)

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2018, 01:31:57 PM »
Take that video down. Out of respect for the fallen brother and the family.  There’s a time and place for buffing jobs and posting videos.  This is not the time or place to put it up.
That's certainly not necessary and probably not even appropriate.  He did the correct thing by taking the portions of the video showing the recovery out of the video but other than that it's perfectly acceptable.  Actually it's very appropriate because it shows what the brothers were up against fighting this fire.  We haven't heard any members of FDNY who post here regularly making comments like that so neither should others.  If they had a problem with it they would let the poster know.

Agreed! Actually, the video is tribute to the brother's - knowing what they were confronted! with!

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2018, 05:34:49 PM »
Funeral, wake for fallen FDNY firefighter announced

NEW YORK (WABC) --
The funeral for fallen FDNY Firefighter Michael Davidson will be held at St. Patrick's Cathedral in Midtown Tuesday at 10 a.m.

His wake will take place at Thomas F. Dalton Funeral Home in Floral Park, Long Island, on Sunday and Monday from 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.

http://abc7ny.com/funeral-wake-for-fallen-fdny-firefighter-announced/3256259/
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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2018, 03:11:29 PM »
Watch Line @15:00 3/25
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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2018, 06:15:24 AM »
Watch Line 06:15 3/26
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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2018, 10:50:49 AM »
What does " watchline " mean ?

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2018, 04:34:40 PM »
A Watchline is usually an engine company.  It is done at some jobs in case of possibility of a rekindle (out side ops, vacant, etc).  Also done at building collapses where searches have not been completed.  In this case, it also keeps a fire department presence at the scene.  If we don't leave, we can continue to operate because it is an active emergency.

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2018, 06:15:46 PM »
As per a legal case in Michigan 20 to 30 years ago...once the fire department leaves the scene, it is no longer an emergency. If the arson guys need to revisit the fireground, they will need a search warrant.

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2018, 06:41:01 PM »
It's to provide "continuity of evidence" should something of note be found after the fact - FDNY has maintained a presence at the scene since the initial response to the fire.

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2018, 07:22:55 PM »
It's to provide "continuity of evidence" should something of note be found after the fact - FDNY has maintained a presence at the scene since the initial response to the fire.

You are right on point with your reply's, may I just add that in the case of a death - and a possible law suite (legal - as you mentioned) with a continued watch line and keeping the area under a Emergency classification any and all investigations may go forward without any court intervention.   In other words - the courts would have no authority to stop or delay as long as there is a continued watch-line.

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2018, 07:46:21 PM »
Have the Marshalls and other investigators been inside the building yet? I know a defective boiler was an idea of the initial cause. I read that building was so badly destroyed that they’ll have to take it down from top to bottom and investigate it then?

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2018, 07:54:58 PM »
No. And they wont be in the building at all it was torn down yesterday..building deemed to dangerous to enter

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2018, 08:21:29 PM »
Thanks for the answers / information.

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2018, 08:31:18 PM »
As I recall, the case in Michigan involved a commercial building fire. Arson went back some time later and found evidence that convicted the owner for arson. On appeal, the court opined that the evidence was not admissible,since it was obtained illegally. The convicted owner....free as  bird

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Re: 3/22/18 Manhattan 5th Alarm 10-66 (LODD) Box 1638
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2018, 08:41:34 PM »
Sadly, this LODD case is a wet dream for attorneys for a bunch of reasons. My guess is that they are working night and day to find some way around the "Firemen's Rule". Obscure facts may be crucial.