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BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« on: July 18, 2018, 02:28:22 PM »
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BRING BACK ENGINE 261
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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2018, 05:34:43 PM »
UFA 65-2 12-17-18.. QUOTE. .PRESS CONFERENCE : REOPENING OF ENGINE 261. the UFA will be joining Congresswoman Carolyn Moloney as well as other local politicians at the quarters of Ladder 116 (at 37-20 29 St Long Island City NY 11101 ) discussing the reopening of Engine 261 on Wednesday December 19, 2018 at 1 PM. Member turnout is needed. All off duty members are invited. Members are requested to attend in FDNY or UFA sweatshirts & jackets , no uniforms. UNQUOTE.



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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2018, 08:44:43 PM »
Will this offset the loss of the other engine company

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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2018, 08:48:03 PM »
Will this offset the loss of the other engine company
Which engine?

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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2018, 10:30:02 PM »
The one the squad took over

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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2018, 11:54:34 PM »
The one the squad took over
First off. One doesnít have anything to do with another. 
Secondly, they didnít lose an engine company, they just changed what if responds to.

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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2018, 12:00:56 AM »
The re-activation of Engine 261 is different from calling for additional units in Hudson Yards.

Engine 261 was not closed because of operational needs.  They were running calls and their area did not have a reduction of hazards or population.  In fact today, the population and potential challenges are greater than before.  They were closed for financial reasons.  The city did not wish to allocate the funds to keep them operating.  They did not say that the company wasn't necessary.  The need for their existence is known, documented, and equal to or greater than before.  Reactivating the company is a matter of allocating the funds, not re-justifying the statistics.

Engine 19, on the other hand, has been gone from the Hudson Yards area since 1947.  The hazards and the population have changed dramatically since then.  The company was disbanded along with other companies because activity levels and military logistics hazards along the piers and yards dropped in the post war (WW2) years.  Some of those companies were redeployed as new units in other parts of the city.  Now the demands are expected to increase beyond the capabilities of the present area companies, so additional companies will be needed.
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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2018, 02:59:41 AM »
The 1939 second sections and 1947 first sections were all eliminated to facilitate an additional platoon NOT because of a lack of need for their existence.

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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2018, 07:17:20 AM »
The FD operated a three platoon system years ago, i.e., 12A-8A, 8A-4P, 4P-12A, before going to the two platoon system of 9A-6P and 6P-9A.

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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2018, 07:22:18 AM »
memory master - any idea when and why that change was made?

Thank you.

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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2018, 08:14:47 AM »
memory master - any idea when and why that change was made?

Thank you.
The FD operated a three platoon system years ago, i.e., 12A-8A, 8A-4P, 4P-12A, before going to the two platoon system of 9A-6P and 6P-9A.

 "manhattan", I can't speak for memory master or the FDNY, but I know that many fire departments choose to work the two split shifts in order to have more days off in a single week cycle.

 Most departments that I know of worked a 3 day (8am-6pm) 3 days off, followed by 3 nights (6pm-8am), 3 days off. That work schedule would average out to 42 hours/week.

 That has changed for most places here now to working 24 hours on (8 am - 8am following day), followed by three days off. Still averaging 42 hours/week. Of course the great benefit to that is only two days a week required commuting to work.

 In many cases there are positions within the fire department, such as fire prevention or training division, where guys really don't want those jobs because they require a regular Monday-Friday, 9-5 schedule. 

 I know that some departments, particularly in the south, work a 56 hour work week of 3 days, 3 nights, 3 off.

 Again, I can only speak based on what "I" am familiar with.

 Let me also add regarding the bringing back of Engine 261. Whenever I go along on the FDR Drive and look across that East River, it reminds me of downtown Boston today. It has developed so much with dozens of high rise buildings.

 Not only fire protection, but where are all those people going to go grocery shopping ? And I'm sure a Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks coffee shop could make a killing there in the morning.

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Re: BRING BACK ENGINE 261
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2018, 10:41:41 AM »
The 1939 second sections and 1947 first sections were all eliminated to facilitate an additional platoon NOT because of a lack of need for their existence.
Closing second section companies in 1939 provided staffing for a third platoon but the respective first section engines, ladders and firehouses remained open.
The 1947 companies and their firehouses were closed.
Staffing versus number of companies has been discussed in many ways for decades.

1939 - E5-2, E7-2, E13-2, E16-2, E18-2, E26-2, E30-2, E31-2, E33-2 and L2-2, L5-2, L20-2, L21-2
1947 - E4, E19, E20, E25, E29
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