Author Topic: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE  (Read 3834 times)

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2019, 05:05:39 PM »

   'Of course fire suppression systems and such could take away from that but that is only for fire'   CFDMarshal

  Good Point. While Fire Suppression, Const. Design & Materials development have certainly dramatically impacted the nature/frequency of Bldg. Fires in the last '100 Years'; We All Know - Sprinklers are only effective when they are Operational,
and even then; certain Types/Volume of Fire can overcome sprinklers.
  Certain more Modern Construction developments/materials create more hazards than they off-set.
 As to where & when/ how often Large-Scale Fires will occur is Mostly unknown. Of Course, the Worst-Case Scenario being 2 or more Large Working Fires in a relatively small area at roughly the same time. That being a completely-predictable likelihood in Manhattan or any other NYC Neighborhood.

The Solution is elementary: More Fire Service Protection in more heavily-developed and populated areas.
While the City bemoans the Financial Strain of Improving Fire Service - there is apparently no such concern in Writing-Off  Billions of Tax-Breaks to enormously wealthy R.E./Development Corporations.

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2019, 05:05:39 PM »

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2019, 08:25:51 PM »
In 1990, NYC's population was 7.3 million.  NYC's population grew to over 8.6 million as of 2017 - and it continues to grow.  How many fire companies have been added since 1990 while the city has seen an increase of over 1.3 million people?  109 companies had 4000 to 7000-plus runs last year (88 engines and 21 trucks). 

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2019, 09:00:26 PM »
An easy way out is: relocate an engine to Rescue 1 as an additional unit or if space does not allow as the ONLY unit and locate Rescue 1 elsewhere for the time being until a new Rescue 1 station can be realized . Just my hunch of what an easy way out might look like.

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2019, 09:08:12 PM »
https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-estate/firefighters-union-slams-lack-firehouse-hudson-yards

Firefighters union slams lack of firehouse in Hudson Yards
From the above referenced article:

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-estate/firefighters-union-slams-lack-firehouse-hudson-yards

"The FDNY spokesman said such a facility is being contemplated, but at a point in the future he couldn't specify."

"The issue the union is raising is something we extensively outlined last year in a study on the Hudson Yards Special District," the spokesman said. "Our analysis showed that, long term, we expect that as development continues in the district we will need to have additional resources on the West Side. Thus, we have begun working with the mayor's office to begin the process of finding space on the West Side for new department facilities and resources."

The initial study was scoped as follows:

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/plans/hudson-yards/hy_final_scoping.pdf

DGEIS (Draft Generic Environmental Impact Statement)

Task 3. Community Facilities and Services  This chapter of the DGEIS will evaluate the effect on community services due to the development that would be allowed with the Proposed Action, including effects on police and fire protection, public schools, outpatient and emergency health care facilities, libraries, and publicly funded day care facilities.  Particular attention will be given to the need for additional public school capacity.  The individual catchment areas for each service provider will serve as the study area boundaries for these analyses. The Community Facilities and Services section of the DGEIS will:

• Develop an inventory of existing public schools, libraries, outpatient and emergency health care service facilities, public day care centers, police precincts, and fire stations, including emergency medical services, located in the study area.  This will be accomplished via phone interviews and/or written communication with department representatives, school officials, and local medical service providers.  Additionally, field checks will be performed and a map of all community facilities will be created.

Final Scoping Document

• Identify any direct or indirect impacts to the aforementioned community facilities, following the CEQR Technical Manual methodology.  As the Proposed Action would result in development which would exceed the CEQR Technical Manual 100-residential unit screening threshold, potential indirect effects will be evaluated.  Preliminary thresholds for the need for detailed analyses are as follows:

Fire Protection:  Generally, an assessment of fire protective services is included only if the Proposed Action would affect the physical operations of, or access to and from, a station house.  Although the CEQR Technical Manual suggests that a detailed analysis of fire protection services is generally conducted only in the case of direct impacts on facilities, the nature and scope of the Proposed Action in this case warrants an examination of potential impacts on service delivery.   

The study report result is excerpted below:

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/plans/hudson-yards/hy_exec_sum_t_fgeis_final.pdf

3.  Community Facilities and Services

Population growth expected as a result of the Proposed Action could have a significant impact on firefighting services in the area. The Proposed Action would require new elementary and intermediate school capacity serving the Project Area. The Proposed Action is expected to increase the number of children eligible for publicly funded day care, which could have a significant adverse impact on local publicly funded day care centers. The Proposed Action would increase the demand for services provided by public or publicly funded community facilities. It is anticipated that in 2010 the No. 7 Subway Extension, the Convention Center Expansion, the Multi-Use Facility, and a small portion of the commercial and residential development, with a net increase in residential development of approximately 844 dwelling units anticipated with the rezoning, would be finished and operating. It is conservatively assumed that the redevelopment of the Project Area would be substantially complete by 2025, including the new open space, an increment of approximately 9,899 additional dwelling units, and about 27 million square feet of commercial, retail, and hotel space. In addition, the Proposed Action could allow up to 192low- to moderate-income housing units in 2010 (or 22.75 percent of the total new housing units) and up to 1,368 additional low- to moderate-income units (or 15.11 percent of total new units) by 2025.

Fire—While the Proposed Action is not expected to displace existing fire station houses, the new worker, residential, and visitor populations expected as a result of the Proposed Action could have a significant impact on firefighting services in the area in both 2010 and 2025. The Proposed Action has been reviewed for potential impacts on fire protection services, and the New York City Fire Department (FDNY) believes it would need additional resources, including a new firehouse, to continue to provide adequate fire protection with the Proposed Action.


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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2019, 10:52:26 PM »
Definitely not 3 medic units, Station 7 doesn't even have 3 medic units. For that matter I don't think any station in Manhattan does.

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2019, 03:28:59 AM »
Sorry to get blunt, but rename "DGEIS (Draft Generic Environmental Impact Statement)" to "Pure BS".


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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2019, 07:18:34 PM »
https://untappedcities.com/2019/03/16/nycs-hudson-yards-is-officially-open-a-first-look-inside-the-largest-real-estate-development-in-the-us/

 My Thoughts:
Odd, (perhaps); that your 'All that glitters is Gold' article mentions Little-to-None of the fantastic Multi-Billion Dollar give-aways by
NYC/NYS to franchise this gilded Playground for Modern Oligarchs. As well as the ineffective response by these same officials ( Sen. Schumer et. al.) in the way of NYPD, FDNY, EMS, and other Community Services needed to ensure Public Safety.  jw

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2019, 07:22:05 PM »
Food Truck fire at W30 Street @ 10 Avenue earlier today. Right at corner of Hudson yards. Sent black smoke into air. Looked like 34/21 handled it.

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2019, 02:20:47 AM »
https://untappedcities.com/2019/03/16/nycs-hudson-yards-is-officially-open-a-first-look-inside-the-largest-real-estate-development-in-the-us/

 My Thoughts:
Odd, (perhaps); that your 'All that glitters is Gold' article mentions Little-to-None of the fantastic Multi-Billion Dollar give-aways by
NYC/NYS to franchise this gilded Playground for Modern Oligarchs. As well as the ineffective response by these same officials ( Sen. Schumer et. al.) in the way of NYPD, FDNY, EMS, and other Community Services needed to ensure Public Safety.  jw

Nothing "odd" about it, STAjo - you're spot on.

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2019, 07:58:14 PM »
A EMS Gator has been assigned to Hudson Yards, not sure of the details.

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2019, 12:44:47 AM »
A EMS Gator has been assigned to Hudson Yards, not sure of the details.

WHOOPIE!!!  The city has solved the problem in the most cost-efficient way! 

Now, does anyone wish to comment on the most EFFECTIVE way?

How much money has Bloomberg, Inc. and its owners made from this disaster?

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2019, 12:58:14 AM »
A EMS Gator has been assigned to Hudson Yards, not sure of the details.

 Problem Solved !   (NOT!)   ::)

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2019, 02:46:57 AM »
Effective way!! New engine and ladder company forcHudsom Yards, possibly a new batallion Chief... new engine19 and Ladder 60 and Batallion 5.

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Re: 7/18/18 HUDSON YARDS FIREHOUSE
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2019, 12:19:38 PM »
The politicians need to see it as a cost of doing business. I don’t know why they can’t see it in simple terms. An area gets developed bringing in thousands of people and potentially millions in tax revenue. Some of that revenue needs to be spent which protects the property owners investments which protects the tax revenue. Adding a new station with an engine, truck, ambulance and possibly a BC is a small price to pay to insure the revenue continues to flow into the city from that area. these need to be new Company’s, other Company’s May need to be relocated to provide better coverage but the city should not expect to generate more tax revenue and be able to not have to spend some of it on FD/EMS/PD