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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2019, 06:31:43 PM »
2010-15 16 KME's purchased, 3 in active service.
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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2019, 06:31:43 PM »

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2019, 09:52:38 PM »
Boston had a TON of problems with their KME's, but they were almost entirely related to the Navistar MaxxForce engines used.  Eventually they removed almost all of them from service.

Boston bought in batches, a rescue, 3 engines, 3 engines, 5 engines, 3 rear mounts, a rear mount, a tower, a rescue, and finally an high pressure engines that took 2 years to take delivery because BFD fought the truck the whole way. Out of the 18 KMEs purchased only the rescues, the HP pump assigned to 22 and the last rear mount assigned to 16 remain in front line service. New twin rescues are being specd out now to replace both KMEs and a e-one metro is on order to replace the KME rear mount. Some of the KMEs remain as spares, some have been disposed of.

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2019, 07:30:20 AM »
How were they "disposed of", did Boston sell them? Did they ever change any of the Navistar engines?

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2019, 09:40:37 AM »
Navistar International Corporation yesterday in a federal court in Chicago settled a lawsuit for selling 65,000 faulty exhaust treatment systems sold between 2010 and 2013 for $159 million.

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2019, 09:45:07 AM »
My source also says E-55 and E-48 have KME's. Both companies are in the Rosindale/West Roxbury section which is pretty quiet for the most part.
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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2019, 07:00:23 AM »
So Seagrave has the contract for 12 pumpers. Is FDNY keeping Seagrave or are they looking to go back to KME?

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2019, 07:08:43 AM »
Love them or hate them, Seagraves are built well and take a beating.  I think KME may have gotten in over their head with the FDNY bid.  Spec's are pretty strick and the warranty with the vehicles causes most companies not bid.  I commend KME for taking on the task but I am truly a long time Seagrave fan.  There are not very many manufacturers that build a total stainless vehicle so this generally limits who can bid.

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2019, 05:41:21 PM »
Boston had a TON of problems with their KME's, but they were almost entirely related to the Navistar MaxxForce engines used.  Eventually they removed almost all of them from service.

Boston bought in batches, a rescue, 3 engines, 3 engines, 5 engines, 3 rear mounts, a rear mount, a tower, a rescue, and finally an high pressure engines that took 2 years to take delivery because BFD fought the truck the whole way. Out of the 18 KMEs purchased only the rescues, the HP pump assigned to 22 and the last rear mount assigned to 16 remain in front line service. New twin rescues are being specd out now to replace both KMEs and a e-one metro is on order to replace the KME rear mount. Some of the KMEs remain as spares, some have been disposed of.

So do you know if they are getting two E-One tandem axle Heavy Rescues?

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2019, 11:11:24 PM »
I dont believe the specs are complete yet on the rescues.



Boston had a TON of problems with their KME's, but they were almost entirely related to the Navistar MaxxForce engines used.  Eventually they removed almost all of them from service.

Boston bought in batches, a rescue, 3 engines, 3 engines, 5 engines, 3 rear mounts, a rear mount, a tower, a rescue, and finally an high pressure engines that took 2 years to take delivery because BFD fought the truck the whole way. Out of the 18 KMEs purchased only the rescues, the HP pump assigned to 22 and the last rear mount assigned to 16 remain in front line service. New twin rescues are being specd out now to replace both KMEs and a e-one metro is on order to replace the KME rear mount. Some of the KMEs remain as spares, some have been disposed of.

So do you know if they are getting two E-One tandem axle Heavy Rescues?

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2019, 05:50:23 AM »
I think Bostons new E ones look the part, they look like a working truck and practical and tough.

With regards KME, I know their biggest customer is LAcoFD, who have used KME exclusively for front line engines and trucks for a few years with hundreds of them! Seems there are not many complaints from the crews. But perhaps it was the tights constraints and demands that, quite rightly, the FDNY puts on manufacturers. Everything is done on cost and best value nowadays, which as we all know does not mean best quality and durability. Be interesting to wind the clock forwards 10-12 years and see how man y of the KME engines are still on frontline duty or booted into the reserve pool!!

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2019, 02:02:54 PM »
I think Bostons new E ones look the part, they look like a working truck and practical and tough.

With regards KME, I know their biggest customer is LAcoFD, who have used KME exclusively for front line engines and trucks for a few years with hundreds of them! Seems there are not many complaints from the crews. But perhaps it was the tights constraints and demands that, quite rightly, the FDNY puts on manufacturers. Everything is done on cost and best value nowadays, which as we all know does not mean best quality and durability. Be interesting to wind the clock forwards 10-12 years and see how man y of the KME engines are still on frontline duty or booted into the reserve pool!!

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Quality and performance of the rigs had nothing to do with why KME lost the contract. Over all the word is everyone was very satisfied with the engines. The sole reason the lost the contract was the delivery schedule. They could not meet it and refused to push other customers back.

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2019, 09:58:05 AM »
With all this in mind, will this mean a delay in the replacement engines being built tested and going out to the companies?

Secondly one assumes they will be Seagrave's Marauder II?

Thirdly, in future bids, will KME be allowed to bid for future apparatus or precluded if that is allowed under law?? And if so and they are the lowest bidder, which, I might be wrong, seems to be the way manufacturers win bids, will FDNY have to go with them or will FDNY have the option to go with their own preferred bidder who might cost a little more?

Seagrave has proved its footing over two decades for engines and over many decades for rearmounts and tillers. In the case of the engines and TLs, taking up the mantle from the much loved and proven Mack's.

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2019, 03:41:10 PM »
Seagrave attacker chassis

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2019, 06:46:46 PM »
Whats your source?

That would suggest a none raised rear cab?

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Re: Seagrave to take up new contract over KME
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2019, 09:13:39 PM »
Whats your source?

That would suggest a none raised rear cab?

JT
The Split cab was specifically designed for FDNY. Many of the houses don't have room for the entire cab to tilt up routine maintenance. I don't believe that a raised crew compartment is available with the chassis. The only rig I've seen was a raised crew compartment was actually the rescue that Louisville got and that was pretty much custom all the way.