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Offline mikeindabronx

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NYC sees highest number of fire deaths in a decade
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:10:24 PM »
https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/nyc-sees-highest-number-of-fire-deaths-in-a-decade/

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NYC sees highest number of fire deaths in a decade
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:10:24 PM »

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Re: NYC sees highest number of fire deaths in a decade
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2019, 09:53:17 PM »
 The above article is certainly something of concern. However, just last month, Joe M., aka "mack", sent me a message and I certainly think it is something to consider.

 New York City has grown from 7.3 million people in 1999 to 8.6 million in 2016. A difference of 1.3 million people. Yet there has only been FDNY company reductions to match this growth.

 A comparison of population/engine company ratio compares other larger U.S. cities below:

 City              Population        Engines        Population/Engines
 NY                  8.6 mil             197               43.6K (One Engine Co for every 43,600 people)
 LA                  4.0 mil             163               24.5K
 Chicago          2.7 mil               97               27.8K
 Houston          2.3 mil               87               26.4K

 By comparison, New York City would need between 312 and 354 Engine companies to match these other cities.

 Credit to Joe M., "mack" for providing us this information.

 If I may add - the article also discusses the use of spit hoods for the protection of our FDNY/EMS Life Savors. It is reported that they can't wear white hoods or black hoods because some may take offense to this.

 Then maybe Chiefs should NOT wear "white helmets" and Firefighters should NOT wear "black helmets".

 Just how "petty and childish" can this "politically correct" society get ?

 

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Re: NYC sees highest number of fire deaths in a decade
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2019, 01:15:07 PM »
The above article is certainly something of concern. However, just last month, Joe M., aka "mack", sent me a message and I certainly think it is something to consider.

 New York City has grown from 7.3 million people in 1999 to 8.6 million in 2016. A difference of 1.3 million people. Yet there has only been FDNY company reductions to match this growth.

 A comparison of population/engine company ratio compares other larger U.S. cities below:

 City              Population        Engines        Population/Engines
 NY                  8.6 mil             197               43.6K (One Engine Co for every 43,600 people)
 LA                  4.0 mil             163               24.5K
 Chicago          2.7 mil               97               27.8K
 Houston          2.3 mil               87               26.4K

 By comparison, New York City would need between 312 and 354 Engine companies to match these other cities.

 Credit to Joe M., "mack" for providing us this information.

NYC would need to reduce company staffing, reduce the number of ladder companies, reduce the number of specialty units, and reduce the number of units assigned to incidents in order to 'match' other cities.  In fairness, the population density, average building height, and dozens of other factors would need to 'match' also.  In 1865, NYC was an area of several major cities and developing career fire departments.  Many of its buildings of the time survive to this day.  In 1865, Chicago had nine engines protecting more cattle than people, Houston was a swampy plain, and Los Angeles was a mission outpost with no fire protection.

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Re: NYC sees highest number of fire deaths in a decade
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2019, 11:34:07 PM »
Once again, the question arises of new FD companies, EMS Stations and police precincts to cover Hudson Yards and the general over-development of Chelsea west of Tenth Avenue.  Estimates are that, every day, 175,000 people will be coming in to or residing in Hudson Yards alone.  And thatís in addition to the thousands of tourists who visit the High Line and art galleries daily.  There are more than 25 new mega-developments between 16th Street and 34th Street west of Ninth Avenue, exclusive of Hudson Yards, and the development extends further up the West Side to at least 61st Street.  Critical infrastructure is being grossly over-loaded and it will take a major incident to get the politicians to act.  Guaranteed that when that happens, the Recrimination Phase will begin and everyone will blame everyone else and scurry back under their rocks to avoid the light.

I should imagine these and other "super-talls" with modern construction methods around the city will require vastly different fire prevention and fighting techniques.  And, as a bonus, the developers have been given multi-year tax breaks by city government.  Who'll pick up that tab, I wonder.

But then, again, there are mega-bucks being made, so who really cares as long as the money keeps pouring in?



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Re: NYC sees highest number of fire deaths in a decade
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2019, 08:04:25 AM »
In addition to the growing population of NYC, two other considerations should be made. First, people live longer, older adults face the greatest relative risk of dying in a fire, in fact older adults had 2.5 times greater risk of dying in fire than the population as a whole. Secondly, most smoke alarms in homes have become useless as they have aged out, or batteries have died.

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Re: NYC sees highest number of fire deaths in a decade
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2019, 07:38:09 PM »
Once again, the question arises of new FD companies, EMS Stations and police precincts to cover Hudson Yards and the general over-development of Chelsea west of Tenth Avenue.  Estimates are that, every day, 175,000 people will be coming in to or residing in Hudson Yards alone.  And thatís in addition to the thousands of tourists who visit the High Line and art galleries daily.  There are more than 25 new mega-developments between 16th Street and 34th Street west of Ninth Avenue, exclusive of Hudson Yards, and the development extends further up the West Side to at least 61st Street.  Critical infrastructure is being grossly over-loaded and it will take a major incident to get the politicians to act.  Guaranteed that when that happens, the Recrimination Phase will begin and everyone will blame everyone else and scurry back under their rocks to avoid the light.

I should imagine these and other "super-talls" with modern construction methods around the city will require vastly different fire prevention and fighting techniques.  And, as a bonus, the developers have been given multi-year tax breaks by city government.  Who'll pick up that tab, I wonder.

But then, again, there are mega-bucks being made, so who really cares as long as the money keeps pouring in?
Has a Fire Department Service Delivery Concurrency Evaluation as described in NFPA 1 been issued for this project?  Or was something similar conducted but with a different name?