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FDNY Response Guidelines
« on: April 15, 2019, 03:53:15 PM »
Does anyone have a list of the response guidelines for the FDNY? I know how many they send to a box but what about Class 3’s, Odor of Gas, Manhole Fires, Auto Extrications, etc.. It’d be really helpful. Thanks in advance.

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Re: FDNY Response Guidelines
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2019, 03:57:23 PM »
FDNY Operational Reference guide lists 4 or 5 pages to that. Pages 46-49.
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Re: FDNY Response Guidelines
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2019, 04:14:38 PM »
I left my book at home so I can't type it out at work now

I'll either type it out tonight, tomorrow or Wednesday when I am back at work

Unless some one else does it before me
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Re: FDNY Response Guidelines
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2019, 06:42:40 PM »
FDNY Operational Reference guide lists 4 or 5 pages to that. Pages 46-49.

Looks like I’m buying a book then haha

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2019, 06:48:50 PM »
FDNY Operational Reference guide lists 4 or 5 pages to that. Pages 46-49.

Looks like I’m buying a book then haha

Got the book last month. Worth the buy. Not sure what took me so long to buy it lol
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Re: FDNY Response Guidelines
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2019, 08:26:49 AM »
Alarm Assignment:

First Alarm (Single Source; Smoke/Fire or 2nd Source)
3 Engines 2 Ladders 1 Battalion
(Rescue, Squad, Marine, Satellite If normally assigned)

10-75 or “Loading The Box” (Total Response)
4 Engines, 2 Ladders, 1 Fast Truck, 2 Battalions, 1 Division
(1st Due Rescue & Squad if available & not previously assigned; replacements if requested by IC)
(4th Ladder is assigned if the first 2 Ladders each have only 4 firefighters)

7-5 All Hands(Total Response)
4 Engines 2 Ladders, 1 Fast Truck, 2 Battalions, Division
(Rescue & Squad if not previously assigned. 1 RAC Unit)

2nd Alarm(Additional Response)
4 Engines, 1 Communications Engine, 2 Ladders, 3 Battalions (FF, RUL, Safety)
Satellite, Field Comm, Field Comm BC, Tac, Safety & Rescue BCs, RAC, RAC Manager, Command Tac Unit(Self-Assigned)

3rd Alarm(Additional Response)
4 Engines, 2 Ladders, 3 Battalions(FF, Staging Area Manager, Air Recon)
Mask Service Unit, PIO

4th+ Alarms
4 Engines, 2 Ladders, 1 Battalion


Class E & 3 Alarms
Engine Ladder Battalion

Class J Alarms (0700-1900)
Engine Ladder Battalion

Class J Alarms (1900-0700)
3 Engines 2 Ladders 1 Battalion
(1st Due Engine Ladder & Battalion respond Emergency Mode, other Units on a 10-20)

Gas Leaks
2 Engine 2 Ladders 1 Battalion

Auto Extrications
1 Engine 1 Ladder 1 Battalion Rescue (If normally assigned in area)
Confirmed Pin Rescue (If not already assigned) Squad, 2nd Engine & Ladder

Manhole
3 Engines, 2 Trucks, 1 Battalion


*Ill add more later if you need more*
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Re: FDNY Response Guidelines
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2019, 10:06:59 AM »
During a 2nd Alarm.  How are the roles for a BC that is designated as Safety different than the Safety BC?

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2019, 11:20:54 AM »
He becomes the Safety Battalions "Assistant" when SB01 arrives.

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Re: FDNY Response Guidelines
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2019, 11:52:36 AM »
Alarm Assignment:

First Alarm (Single Source; Smoke/Fire or 2nd Source)
3 Engines 2 Ladders 1 Battalion
(Rescue, Squad, Marine, Satellite If normally assigned)

10-75 or “Loading The Box” (Total Response)
4 Engines, 2 Ladders, 1 Fast Truck, 2 Battalions, 1 Division
(1st Due Rescue & Squad if available & not previously assigned; replacements if requested by IC)
(4th Ladder is assigned if the first 2 Ladders each have only 4 firefighters)

7-5 All Hands(Total Response)
4 Engines 2 Ladders, 1 Fast Truck, 2 Battalions, Division
(Rescue & Squad if not previously assigned. 1 RAC Unit)

2nd Alarm(Additional Response)
4 Engines, 1 Communications Engine, 2 Ladders, 3 Battalions (FF, RUL, Safety)
Satellite, Field Comm, Field Comm BC, Tac, Safety & Rescue BCs, RAC, RAC Manager, Command Tac Unit(Self-Assigned)

3rd Alarm(Additional Response)
4 Engines, 2 Ladders, 3 Battalions(FF, Staging Area Manager, Air Recon)
Mask Service Unit, PIO

4th+ Alarms
4 Engines, 2 Ladders, 1 Battalion


Class E & 3 Alarms
Engine Ladder Battalion

Class J Alarms (0700-1900)
Engine Ladder Battalion

Class J Alarms (1900-0700)
3 Engines 2 Ladders 1 Battalion
(1st Due Engine Ladder & Battalion respond Emergency Mode, other Units on a 10-20)

Gas Leaks
2 Engine 2 Ladders 1 Battalion

Auto Extrications
1 Engine 1 Ladder 1 Battalion Rescue (If normally assigned in area)
Confirmed Pin Rescue (If not already assigned) Squad, 2nd Engine & Ladder

Manhole
3 Engines, 2 Trucks, 1 Battalion


*Ill add more later if you need more*

A couple of updates:

The RAC unit is now assigned on the 10-75 rather than the All Hands. An additional RAC is assigned on the third.

A Communications Unit is assigned on the third rather than the second.

I have been advised that the next edition of the Operations Reference will have additional data on response assignments.

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Re: FDNY Response Guidelines
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2019, 12:26:01 PM »
Yeah i guess the book is out dated

Sorry guys

Was just texted some updates. Thank you 290

Loading up the box. 
4-2 and rescue and squad if avail
No more fast truck or 2nd chief till the 10-75

If field comm batt is staffed they become the staging manager on the 3rd

Class 3. Automatic and valve alarms in private residences 1&1 no Chief
In commercials 1&1 and a chief.
Manual alarms and auto and valves in letter codes F G H I J K & T get 3&2

Class e is 1 engine or 1 ladder and a chief monitoring 24 hrs
Same for class J 1e or 1L and BC 0700-1900

Min response for gas leaks is 2&1     2&2 if both normally assigned 1st and 2nd due trucks avail.
Manholes 3&1 with the same stip for trucks
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Re: FDNY Response Guidelines
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2019, 12:52:56 PM »
Some differences in Boston and Chicago. Boston with a confirmed fire or a box struck because of calls, pulled boxes, etc BFD will assigned the fourth engine as the R. I. T. engines, usually the first due on the second alarm. Chicago on the report of a confirmed fire you get the R. I. T. truck, a B/C and an ALS ambulance. BFD does not have the equivelant of a 10-75, it is first, second, etc. CFD does have a "still and box", again with the RIT assignment. CFD also sends a squad and a comm van.
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2019, 02:13:07 PM »
Yeah i guess the book is out dated

Sorry guys

Was just texted some updates. Thank you 290

Loading up the box. 
4-2 and rescue and squad if avail
No more fast truck or 2nd chief till the 10-75

If field comm batt is staffed they become the staging manager on the 3rd

Class 3. Automatic and valve alarms in private residences 1&1 no Chief
In commercials 1&1 and a chief.
Manual alarms and auto and valves in letter codes F G H I J K & T get 3&2

Class e is 1 engine or 1 ladder and a chief monitoring 24 hrs
Same for class J 1e or 1L and BC 0700-1900

Min response for gas leaks is 2&1     2&2 if both normally assigned 1st and 2nd due trucks avail.
Manholes 3&1 with the same stip for trucks

I’m pretty sure they still send the FAST Truck and 2nd chief when loading up the box. That is unless this was changed in the last month or so...
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2019, 02:28:31 PM »
Yeah i guess the book is out dated

Sorry guys

Was just texted some updates. Thank you 290

Loading up the box. 
4-2 and rescue and squad if avail
No more fast truck or 2nd chief till the 10-75

If field comm batt is staffed they become the staging manager on the 3rd

Class 3. Automatic and valve alarms in private residences 1&1 no Chief
In commercials 1&1 and a chief.
Manual alarms and auto and valves in letter codes F G H I J K & T get 3&2

Class e is 1 engine or 1 ladder and a chief monitoring 24 hrs
Same for class J 1e or 1L and BC 0700-1900

Min response for gas leaks is 2&1     2&2 if both normally assigned 1st and 2nd due trucks avail.
Manholes 3&1 with the same stip for trucks

I’m pretty sure they still send the FAST Truck and 2nd chief when loading up the box. That is unless this was changed in the last month or so...

Just had one today.  Loaded up the box.  4th engine and rescue.  10-75 fast truck and 10-75 chief

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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2019, 03:20:31 PM »
Yeah i guess the book is out dated

Sorry guys

Was just texted some updates. Thank you 290

Loading up the box. 
4-2 and rescue and squad if avail
No more fast truck or 2nd chief till the 10-75

If field comm batt is staffed they become the staging manager on the 3rd

Class 3. Automatic and valve alarms in private residences 1&1 no Chief
In commercials 1&1 and a chief.
Manual alarms and auto and valves in letter codes F G H I J K & T get 3&2

Class e is 1 engine or 1 ladder and a chief monitoring 24 hrs
Same for class J 1e or 1L and BC 0700-1900

Min response for gas leaks is 2&1     2&2 if both normally assigned 1st and 2nd due trucks avail.
Manholes 3&1 with the same stip for trucks

I’m pretty sure they still send the FAST Truck and 2nd chief when loading up the box. That is unless this was changed in the last month or so...

Changed 2 weeks ago

Box loaded up 4&2 Rescue Squad & Chief

10-75 transmitted brings Fast Truck 10-75 Chief Division & RAC
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Re: FDNY Response Guidelines
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2019, 03:34:45 PM »
Any idea when the next OpRef edition is due out?  (waiting with bated breath! :-)  I love that book - read every edition cover to cover. (and I live in Delaware)