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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1215 on: July 08, 2019, 09:21:05 PM »
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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1216 on: July 08, 2019, 09:22:35 PM »
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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1217 on: July 09, 2019, 07:40:17 AM »
 "mack", aka Joe M., now I understand where you got your user name from on this site.

 You must be very proud of ads like "First with the Most" and "The Pick of the Pros". I remember seeing these ads and how GREAT those "mack" fire trucks were.

 Years after the FDNY put those Mack Rigs to work during the very busy FDNY War Years, some of those beat up Mack Pumpers and Mack Tower Ladders moved on to continue doing what they did best.

 Busy places like Providence, RI had purchased TWO "used" FDNY Tower Ladders (13 and 114 - I think ?). Providence didn't have a lot of money to spend on new fire trucks and I remember seeing those two tower ladders parked outside the Providence FD Shops. They had been through a war and it showed.

 Then I get word that these two rigs have been restored and are now being put into front line service. They will be assigned to the two busiest ladder companies in the city - Ladder 1 and Ladder 2. Well needless to say, they served the city well. It was amazing to see that these two Firefighting War Horses could continue to perform for many years after. Later on Ladder 2 moved to become Ladder 3, as that areas work started to pick up.

 I was told that the guys at the Providence Shops agreed to do most of the rehab work on those trucks themselves. "THEY DID A GREAT JOB" and the city sure got it's money's worth.

 Places like Chelsea, Mass also put a former FDNY Mack, War Years Tower Ladder in front line service. A very congested city just out side of Boston, known for one of the largest conflagrations in the history of the fire service.

 Even my home town put a used FDNY Mack pumper to work after it served during those busy FDNY War Years. The Yantic Volunteer Fire Dept put it to work for several years. Then the Norwich FD, where I was working at the time, put it in service as a reserve rig.

 Whenever we would use it, I had more confidence in that old war horse than in our newer, much prettier, air conditioned, automatic transmission, original piece. I wasn't the only one either. Of course the guys who buffed the FDNY loved it and it didn't take too long for the rest of the guys to love it too.   
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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1218 on: July 09, 2019, 12:07:36 PM »
3 Tower Ladder Mack ad is framed and hanging in my den.
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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1219 on: July 09, 2019, 12:17:02 PM »
Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.
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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1220 on: July 09, 2019, 01:33:27 PM »
Grump, it could be conceived that way, however as is said, many hands make light work. You'll also note that these "combo" companies did not exist long.

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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1221 on: July 09, 2019, 02:38:35 PM »
Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.

The concept is still used in LAFD. One officer, usually a Captain is responsible for his crew, and the two pieces of apparatus, a pumper and tiller, the crew is divided between the pieces. Usually the Captain, LCC, tillerman and one firefighter on the ladder, followed by the "wagon" (engine) with just the MPO.  They call it a Light Task Force, the concept is with both pieces they can handle most calls. Add a third piece, another engine (which they call a pumper) with just a driver, and LAFD refers to this as a "Task Force". A light task force and a task force has all their pieces in their respective firehouse. Instead of two (or three) individual companies, the companies are condensed into one. LAFD also has single engine companies that respond with a full crew by themselves, or respond special called with a light task force.

When I was a fireman in Washington DC we had a combination system. The Rescue Company also had an engine, if a box came in first due in the Rescue response area, the guys jumped ship from Rescue and responded on the engine. The next  assigned rescue became first due. The troops left their gear in the middle of the floor between the different pieces. All four rescue companies operated like that back then. Kookie.
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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1222 on: July 09, 2019, 05:14:38 PM »
Battalion 20 has always been in southern Bronx.  It split the 15th Battalion which originally covered the entire eastern half of the Bronx all by itself.

Battalion 20   Organized      2283 Jerome Ave               1903   at Combination Engine 75
Battalion 20   Relocated       491 E 166th St                 1903   at Combination Engine 50
Battalion 20   Disbanded                                             1904   
Battalion 20   Reorganized   1213-1215 Intervale Ave    1906   at Combination Engine 82
Battalion 20   Relocated       1518 Williamsbridge Rd      1930   at Engine 61
Battalion 20   Temporay       1454 Astor Ave                 2003   with Engine 97
Battalion 20   Renovated      1518 Williamsbridge Rd      2004   with Squad 61
Battalion 20   Temporary      3929 E Tremont Ave          2012   at Engine 72
Battalion 20   Temporary      1454 Astor Ave                 2013   with Engine 97
Battalion 20   Relocated       1518 Williamsbridge Rd       2013   with Squad 61
Battalion 20   Temporary      3929 E Tremont Ave           2016   at Engine 72

Companies in Battalion 20

1906 - 1907   Battalion 20   E45   E46   E82c                                L27         
1907 - 1908   Battalion 20   E45   E46   E82c                                L27   L31      
1908 - 1913   Battalion 20   E45   E82c  E88                                 L19   L31   L38   
1913 - 1929   Battalion 20   E45   E82c  E88   E94                         L19   L31   L38   L48
1929 - 1930   Battalion 20   E45   E82   E88   E94   E96                 L19   L31   L38   L48
1930 - 1937   Battalion 20   E61   E64   E89   E90                         L41   L47   L50   
1937 - 1938   Battalion 20   E61   E64   E70   E89   E90                 L41   L47   L50   L53
1938 - 1969   Battalion 20   E61   E64   E70   E70-2 E89   E90        L41   L47   L50   L53
1969 - 1970   Battalion 20   E61   E70   E70-2 E89   E90                L41   L50   L53   
1970 - 1972   Battalion 20   E61   E70   E89   E90                          L41   L50   L53   
1972 - 1974   Battalion 20   E61   E70   E72   E89   E90                  L41   L50   L53   
1974 - 1975   Battalion 20   E61   E72   E89   E90           CFC121    L41   L50      
1975 - 1979   Battalion 20   E61   E70   E72   E89   E90                  L41   L50      
1979 - 1986   Battalion 20   E61   E70   E72   E89   E90   E97          L41   L50      
1986 - 1989   Battalion 20   E61   E70   E72   E89   E90   E97          L41   L50   L53   
1989 - 1997   Battalion 20   E61   E70   E72   E89   E90                  L41   L50   L53   
1997 -           Battalion 20   S61   E70   E72   E89   E90                  L41   L50   L53   

c = combination company

Note - From 1903 to 1904, Battalion 20 was active for only 10 weeks.
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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1223 on: July 09, 2019, 06:50:55 PM »
Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.

The concept is still used in LAFD. One officer, usually a Captain is responsible for his crew, and the two pieces of apparatus, a pumper and tiller, the crew is divided between the pieces. Usually the Captain, LCC, tillerman and one firefighter on the ladder, followed by the "wagon" (engine) with just the MPO.  They call it a Light Task Force, the concept is with both pieces they can handle most calls. Add a third piece, another engine (which they call a pumper) with just a driver, and LAFD refers to this as a "Task Force". A light task force and a task force has all their pieces in their respective firehouse. Instead of two (or three) individual companies, the companies are condensed into one. LAFD also has single engine companies that respond with a full crew by themselves, or respond special called with a light task force.


The LAFD task force concept was implemented to protect firefighting crews during the 1965 Watts riots.  Two engines and a ladder, frequently augmented by police and national guard soldiers, responded together as a single unit to all calls with enough staffing and equipment to handle most incidents.

The concept builds around the Ladder companies.  Each Ladder (locally known as Truck) is assigned a tiller and a 200 series numbered pumper with a crew of five as described by JohnnyGage.  Together they are known as a Light Force.  Engines are separately and fully staffed.  Either can operate independently.  When an Engine and a Light Force respond together they are known as a Task Force.  Over the years, on occasion, the Engine, the Pumper, and the Ladder were separately staffed with all becoming a Heavy Duty Task Force when operating together.  While all Task Forces were originally staffed with Engines and Light Forces, budget cuts have reduced some Task Forces to Light Forces only (without a separate Engine.)

Staffed Engine = Engine (Engine 1)
Staffed Ladder and Pumper = Light Force  (Pumper 201 and Truck 1 = Light Force 1)
Staffed Pumper = Engine  (Engine 201)
Staffed Engine and Light Force = Task Force  (Engine 1 and Light Force 1 = Task Force 1)
Staffed Engine, Staffed Pumper and Staffed Ladder = Heavy Duty Task Force = Engine 1 and Engine 201 and Truck 1 = Heavy Duty Task Force 1)

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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1224 on: July 09, 2019, 06:56:41 PM »
Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.

Grump - You have identified the main disadvantage of the CFCs.  A run that should be an "engine only" or a "truck only" would get both sections. There were also problems with assignments on multiple alarms, relocations, operations at working fires, training.  It was a concept to save money and expansion was originally planned, but it was unsuccessful and unpopular. 

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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1225 on: July 09, 2019, 07:04:17 PM »
Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.

When I was a fireman in Washington DC we had a combination system. The Rescue Company also had an engine, if a box came in first due in the Rescue response area, the guys jumped ship from Rescue and responded on the engine. The next  assigned rescue became first due. The troops left their gear in the middle of the floor between the different pieces. All four rescue companies operated like that back then. Kookie.

Washington DC had three Rescue Squads.  In 1976, for budgetary reasons, Rescue Squad 1 was combined with Engine 6, and Rescue Squad 3 was combined with Engine 15.  Rescue Squad 2 was relocated closer to the center of the city and remained separately staffed.  In a strange move, worthy of its own story, brand new Rescue Squad 4 was created in combination with Engine 31.  This lasted until 1980 when Rescue Squad 2 was combined with Engine 4.  During 1983/1984, all four Rescue Squads were once again separately staffed with a net gain of one staffed company.

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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1226 on: July 09, 2019, 08:23:07 PM »
Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.

The concept is still used in LAFD. One officer, usually a Captain is responsible for his crew, and the two pieces of apparatus, a pumper and tiller, the crew is divided between the pieces. Usually the Captain, LCC, tillerman and one firefighter on the ladder, followed by the "wagon" (engine) with just the MPO.  They call it a Light Task Force, the concept is with both pieces they can handle most calls. Add a third piece, another engine (which they call a pumper) with just a driver, and LAFD refers to this as a "Task Force". A light task force and a task force has all their pieces in their respective firehouse. Instead of two (or three) individual companies, the companies are condensed into one. LAFD also has single engine companies that respond with a full crew by themselves, or respond special called with a light task force.

When I was a fireman in Washington DC we had a combination system. The Rescue Company also had an engine, if a box came in first due in the Rescue response area, the guys jumped ship from Rescue and responded on the engine. The next  assigned rescue became first due. The troops left their gear in the middle of the floor between the different pieces. All four rescue companies operated like that back then. Kookie.

Just to Add to what Johnny G said about LAFD, The task force concept was conceived out of the brush fire issues in the the 60's. I have several friends that are retired chiefs there and they explained it to me on several of my ride alongs why that system works best for them. For example Engine 72, Truck 72 and Engine (Pump) 272 operate in the San Fernando community of Canoga Park. Medical aid come in and you get Engine 72, Next call gets the Light Force, which is Truck 72 and Engine 272. Staffing is usually 4 including the officer on each with one MPO on Engine 272. Structure or heavy rescue assignments get the entire compliment. All Truck Companies in the City are Tillers so the 200 series pumpers can establish water supply if needed But the real advantage is during brush season they can staff the 200 series engines with an officer and 2or 3 addl FF and it becomes another company. All engines and 200 series are equipped exactly the same.

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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1227 on: July 09, 2019, 08:32:12 PM »
Sorry, I didn't scroll down, You nailed it FDHistorian!

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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1228 on: July 10, 2019, 09:35:34 AM »
One of the city departments in my area staffs an engine and the city's heavy rescue with the same crew.  When they respond as an engine for a minor incident or medical run, the rescue cannot respond and they depend upon mutual aid for a heavy rescue, if required.  Availability is obviously a concern, but so are details when non-rescue members are detailed in to cover, which happens frequently.

It would be wise for the city to reevaluate the run priority, send the second due to minor incidents, would also save mutual aid. Also would be smart to train another company (squad, enhanced engine?) as a Rescue Assist company to back up the Rescue and draw as manpower pool to cover rescue vacancies.

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Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies - 2nd Section
« Reply #1229 on: July 20, 2019, 02:24:02 AM »
Five 2015 Freightliner/Seagrave 1500 gallon “foam tankers” are in service replacing the ten former “foam carriers.” Each has a backup transport (in parentheses): Engines 96 (73), 152 (161), 167 (162), 247 (321), 260 (299). The 3000 gallon 1992 Mack/Saulsbury foam tender is at E-238, backup is E-325.

Each of 19 foam depots has 50 five-gallon cans of AR-AFFF, five cans of Hi-Ex, and smaller quantities of AFFF. Five depots (Engines 96, 152, 238, 260, and 321) have, in addition, variable numbers of 55-gallon AR-AFFF drums and 25 GPM electric pumps for refilling tankers.

Depots are at: Manhattan E 1-5-9-95, Bx 72 and 96, SI 152, 154, 158, 167, Bkn 206, 207, 238, 284, 321, andQuens 260, 262, 294, 324. Info from Ops Ref, edit if needed please.

Foam Units

Foam Powder Supply Unit 81   Organized       33-51 Greenpoint Ave, Queens            1947   Engine 259
Foam Powder Supply Unit 81   Disbanded         
            
Foam Powder Supply Unit 82   Relocated       5th Rd, Roosevelt Island, Manhattan     1958   former station Combination Engine 49
Foam Powder Supply Unit 82   Disbanded         
            
Foam Powder Supply Unit 83   Relocated       56-29 68th St, Queens                        1959   Engine 288
Foam Powder Supply Unit 83   Disbanded                                                               1960   
            
Foam Unit                             Organized       64-18 Queens Blvd, Queens                  1965   Engine 292
Foam Unit                             Relocated       11-15 37th Ave, Queens                       1972   Engine 260
Foam Unit                             Renumbered   as Foam 81                                         1978   Engine 260
Foam 81                               Renumbered   as Foam 260                                       1998   Engine 260
Foam 260                             Temporary      30-89 21st St, Queens                        1999   Engine 261
Foam 260                             Renovated      11-15 37th Ave, Queens                      2000   Engine 260
            
Foam Hi-Ex                           Organized      136 Wythe Ave, Brooklyn                     1977   Utility 1
Foam Hi-Ex                           Renumbered   as Foam 82 (Hi-Ex)                             1978   Engine 212
Foam 82 (Hi-Ex)                    Renumbered   as Foam 91 (Hi-Ex)                             1979   Engine 212
Foam 91 (Hi-Ex)                    Relocated       75 Richardson St, Brooklyn                  1996   Engine 229
Foam 91 (Hi-Ex)                    Relocated       136 Wythe Ave, Brooklyn                    1998   Engine 212
Foam 91 (Hi-Ex)                    Disbanded      to organize Foam 212 (Hi-Ex)              1998   
            
Foam 82                               Organized      1689 Story Ave, Bronx                        1979   Engine 96
Foam 82                               Renumbered   as Foam 96                                       1998   Engine 96
Foam 96                               Redesignated  Foam Tanker 96                                 2015   
            
Foam Squirt                          Organized      1850 Clove Rd, Staten Island               1980   Engine 160
Foam Squirt                          Relocated       3730 Victory Blvd, Staten Island          1984   Engine 154
Foam Squirt                          Disbanded                                                              1986   
            
Foam Unit                             Organized      345 Annadale Rd, Staten Island           1980   Engine 167
Foam Unit                             Renumbered   as Foam 85                                       1985   Engine 167
Foam 85                               Renumbered   as Foam 167                                     1998   Engine 167
Foam 167                             Disbanded                                                             2015   
Foam 167                             Reorganized    Foam Tanker 167                              2018   Engine 167
            
Foam 83                               Organized      256 Hylan Blvd, Staten Island             1986   Engine 152
Foam 83                               Renumbered   as Foam 152                                    1998   Engine 152
Foam 152                             Disbanded                                                            1998   
Foam 152                             Reorganized    Foam Tanker 152                             2002   Engine 152
            
Foam 84                               Organized      3730 Victory Blvd, Staten Island         1987   Engine 154
Foam 84                               Renumbered   as Foam 154                                    1998   Engine 154
Foam 154                             Redesignated  Foam Tanker 154                              2015   Engine 154
Foam 154                             Disbanded      to reorganize Foam Tanker 167          2018   
            
Foam 86                               Organized      1201 Grand St, Brooklyn                   1978   Engine 206
Foam 86                               Renumbered   as Foam 206                                    1998   Engine 206
Foam 206                             Disbanded                                                            2015   
            
Foam 87                               Organized      2165 Gerritsen Ave, Brooklyn             1986   Engine 321
Foam 87                               Renumbered   as Foam 321                                    1998   
Foam 321                             Disbanded                                                            2015   
            
Foam 88                               Organized      29-31 Vermilyea Ave, Manhattan         1989   Engine 95
Foam 88                               Renumbered   Foam 95                                          1998   Engine 95
Foam 95 (Alcohol Foam)         Disbanded                                                            2015   
            
Foam Tender 238                   Organized      205 Greenpoint Ave, Brooklyn           1994   Engine 238
            
Foam 212 (Hi-Ex)                  Organized      136 Wythe Ave, Brooklyn                  1998   Engine 229
Foam 212 (Hi-Ex)                  Disbanded      to organize Foam 259                       2003   
            
Foam 5                                 Organized      340 E 14th St, Manhattan                 2002   Engine 5
Foam 5                                 Disbanded                                                           2015   
            
Foam 294                              Organized      101-02 Jamaica Ave, Queens            2002   Engine 294
Foam 294                              Disbanded      to organize Foam 323                   ~2012   
            
Foam 259                              Organized      33-51 Greenpoint Ave, Queens         2003   Engine 259
Foam 259                              Disbanded      to organize Foam 262                      2003   
            
Foam 262 (Hi-Ex)                   Organized      30-89 21st St, Queens                    2003   Engine 262
Foam 262 (Hi-Ex)                   Disbanded                                                          2007   
            
Foam 323                              Organized      158-57 Cross Bay Blvd, Queens      ~2012   Engine 323
Foam 323                              Disbanded      to organize Foam Tanker 247           2015   
            
Foam 247                              Organized      1336 60th St, Brooklyn                   2015   Engine 247