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Offline nfd2004

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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #120 on: June 12, 2019, 08:56:34 PM »
I recall a blurb (in WNYF?) regarding helmet being field tested by a truck in the Bronx.  Does anyone recall and/or have any info on that?  It was back during the War Years.
Yes those were the "Darth Vader" Helmets i know LAD*19 had them as well as some other Units...during the early 1976 Atlantic Ave Supermarket Fire some of the Members of R*2 lost their Helmets in the Rescue of several FFs as well as the recovery of FF Charlie Sanchez LAD*131 RIP...the Job had collected these Helmets back from the Units testing them & gave one to each R*2 FF while they were having new Helmets made...the consensus was NG...they had no brim so hot water ran right down & worse the suspension had an opening all around (sort of like a football helmet) & this allowed heat to build up inside the Helmet....after the R*2 guys got new Helmets the Job did not even collect the "Darth Vaders" back..they were sitting on the gear rack when i got to R*2 in 1977 & remained laying around for quite awhile collecting dust .....FF Charlie Sanchez was the first FF from my proby class to become a LODD...he was a US Marine & Squad Leader in the proby class.

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Cairns 660 or 770. One was called the Phoenix and one was the Philadelphia.

 Yes Rev, aka CFDMarshall, that was the name of those helmets. As the name indicates, I think the Philadelphia FD used them for many years. Maybe one of the Philly guys can confirm that with us.

 I can relate to those helmets too. The entire dept of about 60 members were given the Cairns 660 metros (I believe they were called) along with the MSA Air Packs (?) to go with them. After about one year of use, the members pushed to get rid of them. And bear in mind, we were no FDNY or Philadelphia.

 Unlike the leather helmets there was no brim for water to run off. Or where a piece of truck tire tube could be used to hold a small light. These 660s required a special light and a plastic holder to be attached to the helmet. You can probably guess how well that piece of specially designed plastic held up on the fire ground.

 Through the efforts of the local IAFF officials we were able to arrange a deal to replace those Metros (?) 660.

 During the year of using those 660s, some members wore T-shirts with a picture of a "leather helmet" on it that said: "LEATHER FOREVER".

 
i thought that was Willy D in the photo shown in reply # 108 above ?.....funny that this came up now as Monday i was with Willy in Bayside (yes he was having a burger) & on the wall was the original picture this clip was from showing Babe Ruth standing next to a Cop (or another player with a Cop's Hat & Jacket on) taken on the field in a Baseball Stadium.

 Yes, I caught up with Chief JK, aka "68jk09", the other day in Bayside on a return trip from lower Manhattan I had made. Chief JK had pointed that Babe Ruth photo out to me which was displayed on the wall.

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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #120 on: June 12, 2019, 08:56:34 PM »

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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #121 on: June 12, 2019, 09:58:16 PM »
San Francisco tested these clunkers...



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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #122 on: June 12, 2019, 10:22:12 PM »
  That's the Babe wearing an Eng. 68 helmet. Eng. 68 and Lad, 49 are 1st due at the stadium.'     

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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #123 on: June 13, 2019, 12:52:12 PM »
Babe Ruth - FDNY helmet:

     

Babe Ruth with Chicago fire helmet and turnout coat - old White Sox Comiskey Park - 1928:

     

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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #124 on: June 13, 2019, 12:58:34 PM »
FDNY helmets worn backwards:

     

     


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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #125 on: June 14, 2019, 07:43:48 AM »
The brim would deflect heat when wearing your helmet backwards. Also a tillerman would wear his helmet backwards so that the brim protected his face from rain and snow... I don't think I saw anyone do that during my time otj, and I certainly did not. With the helmet formed and designed to fit the shape of your head, I imagine it would be very uncomfortable. I did see guys wear their lid incorrectly with the helmet tilted upward on the back of their head.

Then again maybe there are those who don't know the correct way of wearing a lid:




How 'bout a rare "derby" styled helmet for the dashing fireman, double brim...


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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #126 on: June 14, 2019, 06:36:36 PM »
The second photo in reply 124 looks as if were taken at the Mill Basin (Brooklyn) oil tank farm fire back in 1962. Any other thoughts on it?

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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #127 on: June 14, 2019, 06:43:47 PM »
The second photo in reply 124 looks as if were taken at the Mill Basin (Brooklyn) oil tank farm fire back in 1962. Any other thoughts on it?
Good possibility.

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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #128 on: June 14, 2019, 06:59:31 PM »
Yonkers lid, largest career FD in Westchester County, NY


"Largest career FD in Westchester County" .....maybe not the largest front (widthwise) but probably the highest Front. 

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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #129 on: June 17, 2019, 07:33:00 AM »
In order to get this frontpiece...



......some of us started here.









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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #130 on: June 17, 2019, 07:39:30 AM »
Then the next step...


























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« Reply #131 on: June 17, 2019, 07:45:16 AM »
Finally... Graduation day!....






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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #132 on: June 18, 2019, 10:45:55 AM »
Another lid with very high frontpiece.



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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #133 on: June 18, 2019, 10:48:06 AM »
Lid tattoos:





















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Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
« Reply #134 on: June 18, 2019, 10:59:08 AM »
Is he: Making a call?... Taking a breather?...Holding his retirement party in a phone booth?