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Offline jks19714

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2019, 04:59:05 PM »
I believe that Pierce Manufacturing also builds industrial pumpers.

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
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Offline Brooklynalex32

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2019, 05:26:27 PM »
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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2019, 05:27:17 PM »
I believe that Pierce Manufacturing also builds industrial pumpers.
Yes, they certainly do, here's the page for them: https://www.piercemfg.com/high-flow-industrial-apparatus
However, in the past Pierce has not bid on any FDNY equipment for many reasons, the biggest being the warranty requirements. The only exception was Rescue 2 but that's a different issue and it wasn't really bid.

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I'm not sure why you have an opinion, many apartments across the US swear by Pierce apparatus and have great success using it.
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Offline Brooklynalex32

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2019, 06:18:27 PM »
The reason why I have an opinion is that a have a friend who has been working on pierce apparatus for about 8 years and I hear first-hand the many problems they have with it,,,that is why I have an opinion thanks

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2019, 07:06:40 PM »
The FDNY Pierce was assigned to Rescue 1

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2019, 07:28:10 PM »
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Here in Fairfax County, most of our frontlines and reserves are all Pierce. We recently ordered a few E-Ones. The Pierce rigs break down a lot but we're still keeping them. Our tillers are always out of service. Although the E-Ones also go out of service a lot. We used to be all E-One back 20 or so years ago, then we made the switch to Pierce. Now it seems everyone is going back, it's an endless cycle. Many jurisdictions bought E-Ones. Then their quality went down due to the number of orders. Everyone jumped to Pierce and the same thing is happening again.


I love the way the Pierces are spec'd though. I also don't want to dog on them too much. They're great fire trucks.

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2019, 07:56:48 PM »
I agree with u about the specs, but quality wise they just dont compare

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2019, 08:15:21 PM »

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2019, 11:09:12 PM »
After I retired from the FDNY, I worked for a large Pierce dealership for several years. I was not at all impressed with the quality of their product. A relative of mine is a firefighter in a department that is 100% Pierce. They have constant maintenance issues. One recently purchased piece (cost over 1 mil) had serious engineering issues before it was ever placed into service. It caused it to be damaged while the manufacturer was training the department members. He said most of the members (himself included) liked the old E One they recently sold far more than the Pierce equipment.

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2019, 07:31:13 AM »
E-One built both of the industrial rigs that I was a part of at Jack Daniels Distillery. Pierce built the new rig. It was EOne early because they were exclusive with Williams Fire Control products. Now EOne, Ferrara and KME are all owned by REV Group.

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2019, 05:55:55 PM »
E-One built both of the industrial rigs that I was a part of at Jack Daniels Distillery. Pierce built the new rig. It was EOne early because they were exclusive with Williams Fire Control products. Now EOne, Ferrara and KME are all owned by REV Group.

What effect has that ownership change had upon quality? 

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2019, 07:13:14 PM »

What effect has that ownership change had upon quality?


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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2019, 10:07:59 PM »
What effect has that ownership change had upon quality?
The fact that FDNY pulled the contract for new engine companies from KME says a lot about what's happening at KME. I would be surprised if the same problems soon overtake Ferrara. Probably not purely a quality issue but certainly says a lot about the management structure of the REV Group.

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2019, 09:21:45 AM »
What effect has that ownership change had upon quality?
The fact that FDNY pulled the contract for new engine companies from KME says a lot about what's happening at KME. I would be surprised if the same problems soon overtake Ferrara. Probably not purely a quality issue but certainly says a lot about the management structure of the REV Group.

Quality had nothing to do with why the contract was pulled. It was a delivery timeline issue. KME refused to push other clients orders back to get FDNY units delivered quicker. Think of the REV group like General Motors. Chevy, GMC, Cadillac, Buick etc. are all separate Company’s who operate independently.

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Re: 8000gpm industrial pumper ?
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2019, 03:46:01 PM »
Sure makes you wonder how a delivery timeline issue caused the cancellation of contract for over 90 pumpers. The FDNY contract was for millions of dollars and yes I don’t think other cities or clients should be pushed aside but the success of the original order and knowing that the seagrave units form 08,09 and 10 would be up for replacement and winning contract you think planning would have allowed timetable to be in place for delivery.