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NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« on: May 17, 2019, 10:12:16 PM »
This afternoon I saw a NYC Dept. of Building SUV with emergency strobe lights, it was sitting curbside next to a PD having a major renovation.

I was not aware that NYC DOB had authorized emergency vehicles.  It is strange that they do, but that the Con Ed gas or electric emergency crews do not.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2019, 10:45:28 AM »
I agree, that makes absolutely no sense. Maybe I can see a need for them to have one if they have somebody on duty 24/7 for somebody to respond to dangerous conditions but I'm sure that Con Ed response to many more calls that would be considered emergencies.

I guess since Dept. of Bldgs. is a city agency they have more pull?

What color strobes are they running?
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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2019, 11:07:13 AM »
This afternoon I saw a NYC Dept. of Building SUV with emergency strobe lights, it was sitting curbside next to a PD having a major renovation.

I was not aware that NYC DOB had authorized emergency vehicles.  It is strange that they do, but that the Con Ed gas or electric emergency crews do not.


Con Ed does have emergency crews, the ones I see most often are big red step vans with EMERGENCY on them. I'm sure "fdce54" could give us more info on them
« Last Edit: May 18, 2019, 11:15:57 AM by mikeindabronx »

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2019, 06:38:55 PM »
I agree, that makes absolutely no sense. Maybe I can see a need for them to have one if they have somebody on duty 24/7 for somebody to respond to dangerous conditions but I'm sure that Con Ed response to many more calls that would be considered emergencies.

I guess since Dept. of Bldgs. is a city agency they have more pull?

What color strobes are they running?

Multi-colored (red, blue, white) nothing on the roof, all integrated in the grills, rear and headlamps.  When I drove past them the driver and passenger were both in uniform and the
driver appeared to have a mic clipped to his lapel.

There used to be a Con Ed red suv that had a special FDNY/Con Ed logo, but that was years ago - not sure if it was equipped for emerg. response.   How, often do we hear a request for Con Ed forthwidth??

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2019, 06:42:58 PM »
This afternoon I saw a NYC Dept. of Building SUV with emergency strobe lights, it was sitting curbside next to a PD having a major renovation.

I was not aware that NYC DOB had authorized emergency vehicles.  It is strange that they do, but that the Con Ed gas or electric emergency crews do not.


Con Ed does have emergency crews, the ones I see most often are big red step vans with EMERGENCY on them. I'm sure "fdce54" could give us more info on them

Yes, I see those Con Ed red emergency trucks all over, but the "emergency" on the truck has to do with the equipment on board - as they only have yellow lights on there roofs.

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2019, 07:54:08 PM »
The Con Ed vehicles that have emergency markings on them have permits to take the vehicle on a parkway when responding to a gas or electric emergency. They still have to obey all traffic regulations such as red lights, stop signs and speed regulations. The emergency stickers indicate to the police dept that these vehicles have permits.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2019, 09:52:43 PM »
The Con Ed vehicles that have emergency markings on them have permits to take the vehicle on a parkway when responding to a gas or electric emergency. They still have to obey all traffic regulations such as red lights, stop signs and speed regulations. The emergency stickers indicate to the police dept that these vehicles have permits.

If a Con Ed truck is RED, why isn't that enough - the color of the truck should denote that it's a Con Ed Emergency truck - why does the truck require a permit?  Non of the FDNY vehicles require permits for parkways.

When the FDNY command at a scene wants a rush on Con Ed, how are they to get it if the Red Trucks do not have response authorization?

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2019, 10:50:43 PM »
Its called government doing what they do best😀

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2019, 11:50:30 PM »
The Con Ed vehicles that have emergency markings on them have permits to take the vehicle on a parkway when responding to a gas or electric emergency. They still have to obey all traffic regulations such as red lights, stop signs and speed regulations. The emergency stickers indicate to the police dept that these vehicles have permits.

If a Con Ed truck is RED, why isn't that enough - the color of the truck should denote that it's a Con Ed Emergency truck - why does the truck require a permit?  Non of the FDNY vehicles require permits for parkways.

When the FDNY command at a scene wants a rush on Con Ed, how are they to get it if the Red Trucks do not have response authorization?
First of all Con Ed is a private company, not a city agency and therefore does not have the rights that these city agencies do. If the Fire Dept forces a door to an apt for a gas leak, that is public safety. If Con Ed (or any utility company) were to do that, it is breaking and entering. The red wagons are electric splicers. The red color is a throw back to the days of gas lighting and wooden gas mains and the predecessors of Con Ed actually had red fire fighting vehicles that responded to gas fires. For whatever reason, these emergency splice rigs have been allowed to remain red. All other emergency response vehicles are the standard Con Ed colors.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2019, 12:36:07 AM »
The Con Ed vehicles that have emergency markings on them have permits to take the vehicle on a parkway when responding to a gas or electric emergency. They still have to obey all traffic regulations such as red lights, stop signs and speed regulations. The emergency stickers indicate to the police dept that these vehicles have permits.

If a Con Ed truck is RED, why isn't that enough - the color of the truck should denote that it's a Con Ed Emergency truck - why does the truck require a permit?  Non of the FDNY vehicles require permits for parkways.

When the FDNY command at a scene wants a rush on Con Ed, how are they to get it if the Red Trucks do not have response authorization?
First of all Con Ed is a private company, not a city agency and therefore does not have the rights that these city agencies do. If the Fire Dept forces a door to an apt for a gas leak, that is public safety. If Con Ed (or any utility company) were to do that, it is breaking and entering. The red wagons are electric splicers. The red color is a throw back to the days of gas lighting and wooden gas mains and the predecessors of Con Ed actually had red fire fighting vehicles that responded to gas fires. For whatever reason, these emergency splice rigs have been allowed to remain red. All other emergency response vehicles are the standard Con Ed colors.

If I'm not mistaken Con Ed has a contract with the City. Yes, I realize they are private.  However, the City has given Con Ed the responsibility to provide and maintain electric & gas
supply and to rapid response to gas & electric emergencies.  So, there should be specific Con Ed vehicles & crews 24/7 that are an authorized emergency vehicles.  I know there was somesort of partnership development between the FDNY & Con Ed and those Con Ed vehicles & crews operated under FDNY authority - not sure if that still exists. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2019, 10:14:21 AM »
Con Ed and National Grid are not contracted by the City.   They are private companies that provide utility services.  They own and maintain their own infrastructure.  There are sections of the Rockaways that get their electric from LIPA.
As a utility company, they legally can not put emergency lights and sirens on their vehicles.  Not authorized under state law.  Also, something they probably don't want to do anyway.  Would have to train as emergency drivers and then worry about abuse, accidents, etc.
DOB has workers on duty 24/7.  After business hours, it is scaled back  and they respond citywide.  They are called to the scene of operations and dangerous building conditions as needed.  Most DOB cars I have scene do not have lights.  Could have been a supervisor.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2019, 10:20:23 AM »
The Con Ed vehicles that have emergency markings on them have permits to take the vehicle on a parkway when responding to a gas or electric emergency. They still have to obey all traffic regulations such as red lights, stop signs and speed regulations. The emergency stickers indicate to the police dept that these vehicles have permits.

If a Con Ed truck is RED, why isn't that enough - the color of the truck should denote that it's a Con Ed Emergency truck - why does the truck require a permit?  Non of the FDNY vehicles require permits for parkways.

When the FDNY command at a scene wants a rush on Con Ed, how are they to get it if the Red Trucks do not have response authorization?
First of all Con Ed is a private company, not a city agency and therefore does not have the rights that these city agencies do. If the Fire Dept forces a door to an apt for a gas leak, that is public safety. If Con Ed (or any utility company) were to do that, it is breaking and entering. The red wagons are electric splicers. The red color is a throw back to the days of gas lighting and wooden gas mains and the predecessors of Con Ed actually had red fire fighting vehicles that responded to gas fires. For whatever reason, these emergency splice rigs have been allowed to remain red. All other emergency response vehicles are the standard Con Ed colors.

If I'm not mistaken Con Ed has a contract with the City. Yes, I realize they are private.  However, the City has given Con Ed the responsibility to provide and maintain electric & gas
supply and to rapid response to gas & electric emergencies.  So, there should be specific Con Ed vehicles & crews 24/7 that are an authorized emergency vehicles.  I know there was somesort of partnership development between the FDNY & Con Ed and those Con Ed vehicles & crews operated under FDNY authority - not sure if that still exists.
The New York State Public Service Commission assigns the service franchises to the utility companies and can pull these franchises away and assign them to another utility if they deem necessary as what happened on Long Island a few years back. Con Ed established emergency response groups maybe 15 years ago, one for electric initially and later one for gas and possibly one for steam in Manhattan. Their job is to respond to large scale utility emergencies, set up a command post and serve as communicator. There are two of these vehicles assigned to gas, one covers Manhattan and Queens, the other the Bronx and Westchester. I don't know how many electric has. The supervisor of the gas, electric or steam crew is the incident commander. I am not aware of any contract with the city. These response groups work in partnership with the city and Con Ed provides training to the Fire Dept for dealing with these emergencies until a crew can respond.  The city will not give utility companies permits for lights and sirens as they feel their emergency responders can secure the area if need be to make it safe until a utility crew arrives.
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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2019, 07:38:17 PM »
The Con Ed vehicles that have emergency markings on them have permits to take the vehicle on a parkway when responding to a gas or electric emergency. They still have to obey all traffic regulations such as red lights, stop signs and speed regulations. The emergency stickers indicate to the police dept that these vehicles have permits.

If a Con Ed truck is RED, why isn't that enough - the color of the truck should denote that it's a Con Ed Emergency truck - why does the truck require a permit?  Non of the FDNY vehicles require permits for parkways.

When the FDNY command at a scene wants a rush on Con Ed, how are they to get it if the Red Trucks do not have response authorization?
First of all Con Ed is a private company, not a city agency and therefore does not have the rights that these city agencies do. If the Fire Dept forces a door to an apt for a gas leak, that is public safety. If Con Ed (or any utility company) were to do that, it is breaking and entering. The red wagons are electric splicers. The red color is a throw back to the days of gas lighting and wooden gas mains and the predecessors of Con Ed actually had red fire fighting vehicles that responded to gas fires. For whatever reason, these emergency splice rigs have been allowed to remain red. All other emergency response vehicles are the standard Con Ed colors.

If I'm not mistaken Con Ed has a contract with the City. Yes, I realize they are private.  However, the City has given Con Ed the responsibility to provide and maintain electric & gas
supply and to rapid response to gas & electric emergencies.  So, there should be specific Con Ed vehicles & crews 24/7 that are an authorized emergency vehicles.  I know there was somesort of partnership development between the FDNY & Con Ed and those Con Ed vehicles & crews operated under FDNY authority - not sure if that still exists.
The New York State Public Service Commission assigns the service franchises to the utility companies and can pull these franchises away and assign them to another utility if they deem necessary as what happened on Long Island a few years back. Con Ed established emergency response groups maybe 15 years ago, one for electric initially and later one for gas and possibly one for steam in Manhattan. Their job is to respond to large scale utility emergencies, set up a command post and serve as communicator. There are two of these vehicles assigned to gas, one covers Manhattan and Queens, the other the Bronx and Westchester. I don't know how many electric has. The supervisor of the gas, electric or steam crew is the incident commander. I am not aware of any contract with the city. These response groups work in partnership with the city and Con Ed provides training to the Fire Dept for dealing with these emergencies until a crew can respond.  The city will not give utility companies permits for lights and sirens as they feel their emergency responders can secure the area if need be to make it safe until a utility crew arrives.

Then what is the point of any forthwidth request when the IC knows Con Ed cannot get there any faster then any other civilian vehicle - in fact, by stating forthwidth (with a rush) that would give the vehicle crew a hurry up and get there and make for dangerous vehicle operations (driving) while en route.  Also, what about the Fire Patrol, are they not also private?

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2019, 09:40:31 PM »
Also, what about the Fire Patrol, are they not also private?
No. They are GONE.
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2019, 10:33:49 PM »
BORO i would say that the Fire Patrol when in existence they were condsidered part of a Firefighting Force rather than a Utility Company, they were a Local in the IAFF.... as far as the IC making a fortwith request the point is not too make the Driver speed up but to get the Con Ed Dispatcher to possibly shuffle assignments around to get a priority response.

 

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