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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2019, 12:30:22 AM »
BORO i would say that the Fire Patrol when in existence they were condsidered part of a Firefighting Force rather than a Utility Company, they were a Local in the IAFF.... as far as the IC making a fortwith request the point is not too make the Driver speed up but to get the Con Ed Dispatcher to possibly shuffle assignments around to get a priority response.

Hi Chief, If the IC is making a forthwith request, doesn't that mean that Con Ed is required on the scene as conditions are serious or worsening, and in some cases life threatening?

I guess what I'm getting at in all this is that if the DOB has emergency light's and I'm presuming a siren on what might be a supervisor's vehicle to get to the site of a building in dangerous condition, then shouldn't it be equally important for Con Ed to get to/be at the site of it's corresponding dangerous condition?

Also, I understand that the NYC FP was part of the IAFF, but does the IAFF have the power to authorize the FP as emergency vehicles and if not, being private who/where did the authorization come from.

I did not realize that my sighting and report of, would creating a conversation, I do hope I'm not boring anyone, but I do find everyone's reply's very informative.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2019, 12:30:22 AM »

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2019, 12:48:16 AM »
In addition to what has been said above, the New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law has a specific definition of "authorized emergency vehicle" which is "Every ambulance, police vehicle or bicycle, correction vehicle, fire vehicle, civil defense emergency vehicle, emergency ambulance service vehicle, blood delivery vehicle, county emergency medical services vehicle, environmental emergency response vehicle, sanitation patrol vehicle, hazardous materials emergency vehicle and ordnance disposal vehicle of the armed forces of the United States." So having a utility or DOB vehicle operate as an emergency vehicle is against the state VTL.

As far as the lights, as per the NYS VTL, "One or more red or combination red and white lights, or one white light which must be a revolving, rotating, flashing, oscillating or constantly moving light, may be affixed to an authorized emergency vehicle, and such lights may be displayed on an authorized emergency vehicle when such vehicle is engaged in an emergency operation, and upon a fire vehicle while returning from an alarm of fire or other emergency." However, if it's not an emergency vehicle, it shouldn't have the flashing red and white lights. Blue lights can only be used volunteer firefighter's vehicles or by fire/police/EMS vehicles for "rear projection" only. It's the same thing with a siren, they can only be used on an "authorized emergency vehicle."

I'm not saying this necessarily stops any city/local agencies from doing this, I'm just mentioning what's in the state VTL.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2019, 01:34:54 AM »
In addition to what has been said above, the New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law has a specific definition of "authorized emergency vehicle" which is "Every ambulance, police vehicle or bicycle, correction vehicle, fire vehicle, civil defense emergency vehicle, emergency ambulance service vehicle, blood delivery vehicle, county emergency medical services vehicle, environmental emergency response vehicle, sanitation patrol vehicle, hazardous materials emergency vehicle and ordnance disposal vehicle of the armed forces of the United States." So having a utility or DOB vehicle operate as an emergency vehicle is against the state VTL.

As far as the lights, as per the NYS VTL, "One or more red or combination red and white lights, or one white light which must be a revolving, rotating, flashing, oscillating or constantly moving light, may be affixed to an authorized emergency vehicle, and such lights may be displayed on an authorized emergency vehicle when such vehicle is engaged in an emergency operation, and upon a fire vehicle while returning from an alarm of fire or other emergency." However, if it's not an emergency vehicle, it shouldn't have the flashing red and white lights. Blue lights can only be used volunteer firefighter's vehicles or by fire/police/EMS vehicles for "rear projection" only. It's the same thing with a siren, they can only be used on an "authorized emergency vehicle."

I'm not saying this necessarily stops any city/local agencies from doing this, I'm just mentioning what's in the state VTL.

Thanks much for the info - I used to almost have this stuff memorized.  I was informed once, some years ago that do to the City's population - the Mayor & City Council have authority over & above the NYS VTL and have the authority to authorize as deemed required, I never really dug in to find out how valid the info was.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2019, 02:26:22 AM »
Thanks much for the info - I used to almost have this stuff memorized.  I was informed once, some years ago that do to the City's population - the Mayor & City Council have authority over & above the NYS VTL and have the authority to authorize as deemed required, I never really dug in to find out how valid the info was.
Right, Section 1642 of the VTL deals with "Additional traffic regulations in cities having a population in excess of one million" and says "local laws...shall supersede the provisions of this chapter...with respect to the following enumerated subjects" with section 6 being "Operation of authorized emergency vehicles." The NYC DOT Traffic Rules define an "emergency vehicle (authorized)" as "every police vehicle, fire vehicle, emergency ambulance service vehicle, and every other emergency vehicle as defined in 101 of the Vehicle and Traffic Law," with 101 being the above definition. So it seems the city Traffic Rules use the same definition as the state does.

Again, related to the lights, the city Traffic Rules state in Section 4-09 (c): "No operator of a motorcycle or motor vehicle, other than authorized emergency vehicles, shall operate said vehicle when displaying other than white or yellow lights visible from in front of the vehicle. No operator of an authorized emergency vehicle shall operate said vehicle when displaying other than white or yellow lights visible from in front of the vehicle except when actually engaged in emergency service".

The only mention of utility vehicles in the city Traffic Rules relating to this, that I can find anyway, is under Section 4-13 Truck Routes. The exceptions under part (2) are: "These rules do not apply to authorized emergency vehicles and authorized public utility company vehicles engaged in an emergency operation as defined in 114-b of the Vehicle and Traffic Law," even though utility vehicles can't engage in emergency operations according to 114-b. Still, this part only says utility vehicles could violate rules on truck routes. Also, I'm no expert, there's probably someone else who can answer more definitively.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2019, 10:59:33 AM »
Thanks much for the info - I used to almost have this stuff memorized.  I was informed once, some years ago that do to the City's population - the Mayor & City Council have authority over & above the NYS VTL and have the authority to authorize as deemed required, I never really dug in to find out how valid the info was.
Right, Section 1642 of the VTL deals with "Additional traffic regulations in cities having a population in excess of one million" and says "local laws...shall supersede the provisions of this chapter...with respect to the following enumerated subjects" with section 6 being "Operation of authorized emergency vehicles." The NYC DOT Traffic Rules define an "emergency vehicle (authorized)" as "every police vehicle, fire vehicle, emergency ambulance service vehicle, and every other emergency vehicle as defined in 101 of the Vehicle and Traffic Law," with 101 being the above definition. So it seems the city Traffic Rules use the same definition as the state does.

Again, related to the lights, the city Traffic Rules state in Section 4-09 (c): "No operator of a motorcycle or motor vehicle, other than authorized emergency vehicles, shall operate said vehicle when displaying other than white or yellow lights visible from in front of the vehicle. No operator of an authorized emergency vehicle shall operate said vehicle when displaying other than white or yellow lights visible from in front of the vehicle except when actually engaged in emergency service".

The only mention of utility vehicles in the city Traffic Rules relating to this, that I can find anyway, is under Section 4-13 Truck Routes. The exceptions under part (2) are: "These rules do not apply to authorized emergency vehicles and authorized public utility company vehicles engaged in an emergency operation as defined in 114-b of the Vehicle and Traffic Law," even though utility vehicles can't engage in emergency operations according to 114-b. Still, this part only says utility vehicles could violate rules on truck routes. Also, I'm no expert, there's probably someone else who can answer more definitively.

I guess this City is so big, with so many agencies City, State & Fed. That each agency makes up there own rules/procedures. I saw a white mini van totally unmarked, reg. passenger plates with all sorts of emerg. lights going.  Have absolutely no idea from what agency.

Many thanks for all your input.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2019, 10:34:30 AM »
No big deals with that them on our sanitation trucks here in LA...Ca.

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2019, 10:45:45 AM »
My daughter worked as an investigator for the federal Office of Personnel Management for several years.  These were the folks who conducted background investigations for people who were applying for security clearances . . . certainly not anything involving emergencies.  Point is she was issued a government Crown Vic with the complete police package . . . interceptor engine, and a whole host of emergency lighting controlled from a switch in the ash tray.  Oh . . . did I mention the siren?  Damn thing lit up like a Christmas tree when you hit the switch.  That's the kind of thing your government does.  Instills confidence, doesn't it?
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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2019, 05:14:10 PM »
  That's the kind of thing your government does.  Instills confidence, doesn't it?
It certainly does and it's just another great example of how they waste money on things that are totally useless and unneeded!

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2019, 12:53:31 PM »
My daughter worked as an investigator for the federal Office of Personnel Management for several years.  These were the folks who conducted background investigations for people who were applying for security clearances . . . certainly not anything involving emergencies.  Point is she was issued a government Crown Vic with the complete police package . . . interceptor engine, and a whole host of emergency lighting controlled from a switch in the ash tray.  Oh . . . did I mention the siren?  Damn thing lit up like a Christmas tree when you hit the switch.  That's the kind of thing your government does.  Instills confidence, doesn't it?

My apologies for my previous remark, it was thoughtless!!

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Re: NYC Dept. of Buildings, Emergency Vehicle
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2019, 03:20:17 PM »
This afternoon I saw a NYC Dept. of Building SUV with emergency strobe lights, it was sitting curbside next to a PD having a major renovation.

I was not aware that NYC DOB had authorized emergency vehicles.  It is strange that they do, but that the Con Ed gas or electric emergency crews do not.
Hi, it's not uncommon for a few city agencies who are not OEM (now known idiotically as NYCEM), the FDNY or the NYPD to have literally a handful of unmarked vehicles.  All city commissioners have unmarked vehicles, in the case of the NYC DOB, they do have an Emergency Management Unit staffed by a small group of personnel and apart from the Commissioner or their FDC's vehicle, I'd have to believe it was their vehicle you might have seen.  The NYC DOB Cmsr. would be known to arrive at major scenes involving structural damages.  The designation of making a marked car into an unmarked car in an agency that's not the 3 primary first respond city agencies is a cumbersome one as the NYC DCAS expects forms filled out detailing why, who and so on -very tedious and cumbersome.  BTW all city agency Director of Emergency Management have unmarked cars too.
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