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9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2628
« on: September 01, 2019, 06:58:21 AM »
Fire Location: 547 52 St

Fire in the basement of a 3 story MD

L-148 Fast

All Hands

B-40 s/c an additional truck. L-149s/c

Maybe:
E-201,228,241,282
L-114,109,148(Fast),149s/c
B-40,48
R-2
Sq-1
D-8
Rac-5
« Last Edit: September 01, 2019, 07:49:08 AM by Signal73 »
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9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2628
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Re: 9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2328
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2019, 07:45:08 AM »
Wrong box number.   Must be 1400 or 2600 range.  Box 2328 is closer to East 52 St.

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Re: 9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2628
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2019, 07:49:17 AM »
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Re: 9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2628
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2019, 09:42:32 AM »
Fire Location: 547 52 St

Fire in the basement of a 3 story MD

On the fireground you're no longer allowed to use "basement" in such a building (per D.O. 77).

2.9 FIREFIGHTING PROCEDURES – BROWNSTONE AND ROWFRAME BUILDING FIRES
Firefighting Procedures Book 2 titled Brownstone and Rowframe Building Fires dated June 1, 2013, is
amended, as follows:
Under Sections 2.1.1 & 5.1.2 A Insert: Note, to read:
The word basement shall not be used in fireground communications. Members referring to the first story of the
building during fireground communications shall only use the terminology, First Floor. Example "Engine 214 to
Command, fire is located on the first floor."


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Re: 9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2628
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2019, 10:43:18 AM »
That change is probably due to the fire that Ff Davidson, E69, lost his life at. Brownstones ground floor has been called a basement often in size up’s, but is really the first floor, with the parlor floor being the second floor. Floor below the first fl. is the cellar.
Also there has been confusion with the “cornice apartment/floor, where the rear( exposure 3)of the building is one “story” higher than the front(exposure 1).


Wonder why it took over a year to make the change to the FFP’s?

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Re: 9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2628
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2019, 11:23:28 AM »
eyebrow windows in the cornice will be an indication that there is an additional floor in the rear of a brownstone and should be included in your size up when transmitting a 10-75.

as far as the changed description of the basement to the first I agree with den114 and would also consider this to be a question on any/all promotion exams.

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Re: 9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2628
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2019, 11:37:35 AM »
Fire Location: 547 52 St

Fire in the basement of a 3 story MD

On the fireground you're no longer allowed to use "basement" in such a building (per D.O. 77).

2.9 FIREFIGHTING PROCEDURES – BROWNSTONE AND ROWFRAME BUILDING FIRES
Firefighting Procedures Book 2 titled Brownstone and Rowframe Building Fires dated June 1, 2013, is
amended, as follows:
Under Sections 2.1.1 & 5.1.2 A Insert: Note, to read:
The word basement shall not be used in fireground communications. Members referring to the first story of the
building during fireground communications shall only use the terminology, First Floor. Example "Engine 214 to
Command, fire is located on the first floor."

Just going by what i heard
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Re: 9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2628
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2019, 12:25:08 PM »
It's no criticism 73. I wonder if "fireground" communication also refers to preliminary or progress reports to the dispatcher.
Even in areas rampant with brownstones you would sometimes hear the parlor floor called the first floor and the cellar called the basement.
I know the Building Code used to count a basement as a story, therefore it was the first floor.

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Re: 9/1/19 Brooklyn 10-75 Box 2628
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2019, 12:50:31 PM »
If memory serves me correctly, and it doesn’t always, if 2/3’s of the floor was above ground level, it was/is considered the 1st floor. Hence, 2/3’s below is a basement. In some buildings, there’s also a cellar along with the basement.

 

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