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NYC FIRE ALARM BOXES.
« on: March 09, 2011, 09:27:56 PM »
 


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NYC FIRE ALARM BOXES.
« on: March 09, 2011, 09:27:56 PM »

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Re: NYC FIRE ALARM BOXES.
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2011, 09:32:33 PM »
Many of the pull boxes of New York City are now gone. When I first rode with Rescue 2 back in 1968/69 all the street boxes that were out there were "Pull Boxes".I think the response at that time was 3 and 2. Later it was changed to 2 and 2. When the newer ERS Boxes started to appear, the Street Pull Boxes started to disappear. As I remember I think parts of Brooklyn was the first to replace those Pull Boxes.

  Terms like "R and R the Box" was also starting to disappear. And sometimes a new term called DRB (Discretionary Response Box) would be used.

  I miss a lot of that. Once again, just a snapshot of the Great Part of the History of the FDNY.

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 10:28:20 PM »
There are still boxes out there. Quite a few in Queens and SI. Brooklyn still has a few as well. I don't remember when they were removed from Manhattan, and the last boxes in the Bronx in Soundview and Riverdale were removed about 11 years ago.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 11:53:48 PM »
Nfd & 150    the borough of manhattan was the first to be completed as
1- they had the least amt of boxes
2- the circuits in Manhattan were easy to work on because of the way they were
    built.
3- each circuit  had the max of 10 to 12 boxes on it
4- thats the reason for the pilot so to speak in that particular Borough, later
    they were expanded to 25 boxes per circuit and before I left it was 30 boxes
    as Norelco changed something in the board that allowed that. The original boxes
    were 8  Volts per box and the newer ones were down to three Volts which
    would allow for more boxes on a circuit, based on 240-270 Volts.


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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2011, 12:36:01 AM »
With the new computerized ERS system, there is allowance for more than 32 boxes on a loop. Not sure how that's gonna pan out though. Norelco lost the contract a while ago. Purvis is now running the show with that now. Everything has changed. Now everything can be done with a click of the mouse.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2011, 01:23:15 AM »
A shitload of pull boxes in Bayside Queens have been out since the tornadoes last Sept. 16,2010.......most of the out of service signs have been pulled off by kids......it is a crapshoot as to what works & what does'nt.......i just had the 2 nearest my house tested last week & they are still out.

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2011, 10:30:51 AM »
For the youngin's out there, "R and R the box" meant rewind and reset.  Alarm boxes needed to be placed back in service after being used; they all had a common key that most firefighters carried with them.  You had to rewind the mechanism inside the box.

There were also " double action boxes": these had an outer handle which opened the outer door and then had a lever inside that needed to be pulled down to transmit the alarm.  I remember a fire at 22 East 16th Street off Church Avenue back in the 60s; a cop saw the fire, went to Church and East 16th and pulled box 1535.  Nothing happened until someone else pulled box 1544 at Caton Avenue and Parade Place.  The fire went to an all hands.  The cop made the mistake of sticking around.  He told the chief he pulled the box, but he only pulled the outside handle and never opened the box.

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2011, 11:43:30 AM »
I remember listening to Boston and hearing" Box is false, a 710. Box is rewound, returning." :)
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 01:09:45 PM »
Fire alarm boxes used to be the method of communicating back to  dispatchers for units after leaving quarters in the pre-radio days.  Units and chiefs used the telegraph keys within fire alarm boxes to provide information about incidents, transmit additional alarms, etc.

1920 FDNY video which shows early fire alarm telegraph system: http://www.flixya.com/video/2208392/FDNY-1920s 

Original NYPD call boxes were installed in mid-1800's with telegraph keys inside.  Cops used Morse Code to communicate.  Later telephones and green lights were installed.  Cops had to call in at a scheduled time (maybe hourly).  These green-colored boxes were for cops to use, not the current call boxes for civilians to request police assistance.

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2011, 10:31:15 PM »
The Alarm Box in the above video is a "Double Action Box" that JohnD describes in reply #6 above, for the people that might not have seen these type boxes before.

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Re: NYC FIRE ALARM BOXES.
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2013, 08:10:57 PM »
1940s picture - pre-radio days - using box to communicate with dispatcher:



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Re: NYC FIRE ALARM BOXES.
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 09:13:33 AM »
SOUND THE ALARM.....NY1 News 2 part series.......part 1 aired 5-15-13..........

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/182082/sound-the-alarm--roughly-one-third-of-city-s-fire-alarm-boxes-cannot-be-used 


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SOUND THE ALARM ...part 2...aired 5-16-13...... http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/182138/sound-the-alarm--advocate-for-deaf-pressures-city-to-repair-fire-alarm-boxes?ap=1&MP4     
 
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2013, 10:04:55 AM »
SOUND THE ALARM.....NY1 News 2 part series.......part 1 aired 5-15-13..........

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/182082/sound-the-alarm--roughly-one-third-of-city-s-fire-alarm-boxes-cannot-be-used 

The lawyer in Part 2, Robert Stulberg was the original lawyer that filed the injunction request on Behalf of the hearing Impaired, Local 3,and the FADBA.


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SOUND THE ALARM ...part 2...aired 5-16-13...... http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/182138/sound-the-alarm--advocate-for-deaf-pressures-city-to-repair-fire-alarm-boxes?ap=1&MP4     

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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2013, 01:08:47 AM »
The issue still continues but is it really being addressed ? ....(not in most areas for instance North QNS as well as other areas since the 2 tornadoes of Sept 16 2010)....as the article states if you see a Box damaged or "Out Of Service" call 911 ( or in our case also while at work if you see a Box obviously damaged or w/the handle down.... stop & call the Disp & ask permission to test it & if not recd SECURELY attach an OOS sign ...also on the way back & forth to work make a mental note of any suspect Boxes & report them to the OOD)........this is all well & good but at this time it may not be fixed & what happens at 0400 when your Child is the only one to escape your burning house in pajamas & follows previous instructions to "Pull The Box" & no one comes because it does not work ? .......       http://queens.ny1.com/content/top_stories/186413/ny1-follow-up--fdny-ramps-up-efforts-to-fix-faulty-fire-alarm-boxes#
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