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History / Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses
« Last post by mack on September 21, 2017, 08:28:08 AM »
There was a point in the later '70s that a hair brained scheme was floated by HQ where as a substitute for ENG*212  R*4 would be moved there & also have a Pumper to respond to local boxes as an ENG but still have to respond to the regular QNS Rescue assignments.....the day R*4 was supposed to leave QNS Blvd to move there a very large turnout of local concerned civilians blocked the front of 292/R*4s QTRS bringing light to the situation which was sh*t canned....another scheme was the forming of Utility Unit 1 in place of 212...that failed also but in the end the city finally got their way.

Chief - Thanks for the background.  Engine 212 appeared to have strong neighborhood support and had a unique and contested closure history.  The article below seems to be a pretty good summary of the Engine 212 history you describe. 

Utility 1 seems to have been formed to give the appearance of the same level of Williamsburg fire protection.  But without sufficient staffing, the Utility 1 could not provide the protection the closed Engine 212 had been providing to Greenpoint and Williamsburg for over 100 years.  It seems like public fraud - but Utility 1 appears to have been in existence for over a year.   What could it actually do and how did it last that long?  Did it operate 24/7?

It was also a terrible precedent - to replace companies providing fire protection with units that appear to be the same but are not staffed and cannot fight fires.  If Utility 1 continued, it could have been the model for further units being disbanded and replaced with unstaffed or understaffed apparatus.  It would appear that a neighborhood had fire protection that it did not.   Also, the planned Rescue 4 move was probably worse because it would have displaced a critical FDNY asset and made them unavailable while they would have been responding as an engine. Engine 212 had 1782 runs in 1974, the year before they were disbanded.  Rescue 4 would have been unavailable 1782 times if moved to Williamsburg in 1975 - and they would have been in a poor location to protect Queens at a time FDNY did not have Squad 288 and Squad 270.


Article:

"Engine 212 - The People's Firehouse

     F.D.N.Y. Engine Company 212 began as Engine Company 12 of the Brooklyn Fire Department at 136 Wythe Avenue in 1869.[1] The company was reorganized once the Brooklyn Fire department was assimilated with the Fire Department of New York and became Engine Company Number 212 on January 1st 1913. The name “People’s Firehouse” was coined by an NYPD battalion chief who said "We're not going to remove them. It's the people's firehouse." when refusing an order to forcibly remove a group of activists that occupied the firehouse when the city attempted to disband it in 1975.[4]

 During the 1970s New York City faced financial difficulty and responded by issuing budget cuts thereby reducing city services. The F.D.N.Y. was one of the city agencies affected by the cuts, and in response ordered many firehouses to be closed. Between 1972 and 1977 51 firehouses were closed and in November of 1975 the People’s Firehouse was among 8 of those stations scheduled to be closed.[2][3] At the same time that fire stations were being closed cases of arson were on the rise as property owners torched their buildings to collect on insurance and escape the financial losses associated with the dropping property values of a city in decline. With many wood frame homes in the neighborhood and arson on the rise, residents were rightfully concerned. In addition to arson the city allowed a policy of “planned shrinkage” to dominate Williamsburg and Greenpoint. Budgets for city services including fire, police, education and maintenance were reduced and abandoned buildings were often allowed to crumble or burn down rather than be demolished. Local citizens saw the closing of the firehouse as an unacceptable loss of fire protection and a sign that the neighborhood was being abandoned by city hall, setting the stage for the battle that ensued.

 On the day the firehouse was to be closed one of the firemen opposed to the station closing repeatedly sounded the air raid siren in an effort to attract attention to the firehouse and more than 200 neighborhood residents arrived to protest the disbanding of Engine Company No. 212. When the doors to the firehouse were opened at the end of the day's shift and scheduled closing, community activists stormed the building and prevented the firemen and engine from exiting the station. While the firemen were eventually able to leave later in the day, the protestors and fire engine remained in the building. The occupation of the People’s Firehouse lasted sixteen months and included a diverse group of people rotating shifts at the firehouse to prevent the retaking of the station. The group included Boy Scouts, the elderly and entire families.[4] In addition to the takeover of the firehouse activists protested at city offices and in front of Deputy Mayor John Zuccotti’s house, shut down traffic on the B.Q.E., as well as lobbied city hall and the state capital to reinstate the fire company.[5]

 Eventually City Hall caved into the demands of the community but at first stopped short of restoring the same level of service to the north Williamsburg firehouse. The first attempt to resolve the issue was to move Rescue Company 4 from Maspeth Queens into the firehouse.[5] Like Williamsburg’s Northside residents, Maspeth community members protested and blocked their firehouse to prevent the engine from leaving.[6] After protests and a court order prevented the moving of Rescue Company No. 4 the city resolved the issue by re-commissioning the firehouse as Utility Unit 1. However, the utility unit’s response to local emergency calls was restricted, leading to a continued dispute between the city and local residents. In 1991 the firehouse was occupied once again until engine company 212 was reinstated, restoring the level of service previously enjoyed by the community in north Williamsburg and Greenpoint. The firehouse eventually closed in 2003 due to cuts made by the Bloomberg administration."  -  https://brooklynrelics.blogspot.com/2014/01/engine-company-212-peoples-firehouse.html
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News and Events / CLEAR THE STREET.
« Last post by 68jk09 on September 21, 2017, 03:27:01 AM »
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General Discussion / Re: ANOTHER WAR YEARS VET PASSES.
« Last post by 68jk09 on September 21, 2017, 03:15:24 AM »
RET FF CHARLES MARKS...  ENG*246 ... RET 1977....REST IN PEACE BROTHER ...PRAYERS FOR THE COMFORT OF THE FAMILIES... http://www.scaliahome.com/obituaries/Charles-Marks-3/#
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General Discussion / Re: ANOTHER WAR YEARS VET PASSES.
« Last post by 68jk09 on September 21, 2017, 03:13:17 AM »
^^^^^^^^RET BC  Owen McCrudden Batt.14
Wake will be held at the Clarke Funeral Home
2104 Saw Mill River Road
Yorktown Heights, NY 10598
Hrs: Thursday, 2 - 4 pm and 7 - 9pm
Service: Mass of Christian Burial: Friday 10am, St. Joseph's Church, Somers
For those who wish, memorial contributions may be made to the New York Firefighters Burn Center, 21 Asch Loop, Bronx, NY 10475, nyffburncenter.com

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History / Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses
« Last post by 68jk09 on September 21, 2017, 02:31:22 AM »
There was a point in the later '70s that a hair brained scheme was floated by HQ where as a substitute for ENG*212  R*4 would be moved there & also have a Pumper to respond to local boxes as an ENG but still have to respond to the regular QNS Rescue assignments.....the day R*4 was supposed to leave QNS Blvd to move there a very large turnout of local concerned civilians blocked the front of 292/R*4s QTRS bringing light to the situation which was sh*t canned....another scheme was the forming of Utility Unit 1 in place of 212...that failed also but in the end the city finally got their way.
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History / Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses
« Last post by JOR176 on September 20, 2017, 11:11:08 PM »
Sq 7 was organized at the Qtrs of E212 later moved to E237 and then disbanded to organize E 232 around the Summer of 66'
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Bronx / Re: 9/20/17 Bronx 10-75 Box 2262
« Last post by mikeindabronx on September 20, 2017, 09:08:07 PM »
Fire Location: 815 East 152

Fire 5th fl of a 21 story MD

E-73 gave the 10-75 Smoke in the street

BD to B14 reports of Fire 5A


L-29 FAST

BN-14, 10-77

E-50 HRN,E-83 CFRD,BN-17 Safety,L-58 Vent

BN-14, All Hands
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Bronx / 9/20/17 Bronx 10-77 Box 2262
« Last post by Signal73 on September 20, 2017, 09:06:37 PM »
Fire Location: 815 East 152 St

Fire 5th fl of a 21 story MD 75 X 150 Class 1

E-73 gave the 10-75 Smoke in the street

BD to B14 reports of Fire 5A

L-29 Fast

Maybe:
E-73,71,Sq41,60
L-55,17,29(Fast)
B-14,26
R-3
Sq-61
D-6
Rac-3

B-14 go with the 10-77 @21:10

10-77
E-50(HR Nozzle)
E-83(C.F.R.D)
L-31,42
L-58(Vent)
B-3,17(Safety
RB,SB
FC,FCB
Tac-1

B-14 All Hands
D-6 water on the fire DWH


Relocation:
Engine 45 Act. Engine 71
Engine 67 Act. Engine 60
Engine 69 Act. Engine 73
Ladder 45 Act. Ladder 58
Ladder 37 Act. Ladder 42
Ladder 41 Act. Ladder 17
Battalion 16 Act. Battalion 17
Battalion 45 Act. Battalion 3
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History / Re: FDNY and NYC Firehouses
« Last post by mack on September 20, 2017, 02:43:59 PM »
Engine 212 (Engine 12 Brooklyn Fire Department)  Firehouse 136 Wythe Ave  Williamsburg, Brooklyn  11th Division, 36th Battalion   DISBANDED

     Engine 12 BFD organized 136 Wythe Ave  former volunteer firehouse    1869
     Engine 12 BFD became Engine 12 FDNY                                              1898
     Engine 12 became Engine 112                                                            1899
     Engine 112 moved to stables on Wythe Ave vic. N. 9th St                     1908
     Engine 112 moved to new firehouse 136 Wythe Ave                             1908                                       
     Engine 112 became Engine 212                                                          1913
     Engine 212 disbanded                                                                        1975
     Engine 212 reorganized                                                                      1975
     Engine 212 disbanded                                                                        1975
     Engine 212 reorganized                                                                      1978
     Engine 212 disbanded                                                                        2003

     Squad 7 organized 136 Wythe Ave at Engine 212                                 1959
     Squad 7 moved 43 Morgan Avenue at Engine 237                                1964
     Squad 7 disbanded                                                                            1966

     Hi-Ex Foam 82 organized 136 Wythe Ave at Engine 212                        1978
     Hi-Ex Foam 82 became Hi-Ex Foam 91                                                1988
     Hi-Ex Foam 91 moved to 75 Richardson St at Engine 229                      1996
     Hi-Ex Foam 91 moved to 136 Wythe Ave at Engine 212                         1998
     Hi-Ex Foam 91 became Foam 212                                                        1998
     Foam 212 disbanded                                                                           2003

     Utility 1 organized 136 Wythe Ave                                                        1977
     Utility 1 disbanded                                                                              1978


     Note:  Original Engine 5 BFD firehouse at 136 Wythe Avenue was quarters of volunteer "Northern Lights Engine 5


Engine 12 Brooklyn Fire Department history:

     "Engine Company No. 12 was organized on Sept. 15, 1869, and since that time has occupied its present quarters on Wythe Avenue near the corner of North Eighth Street.  The house was built in 1861, and prior to its occupation by Engine Company No. 12 was tenanted by "Northern Liberties" No. 5 of the Volunteer Department.  The house, with the
exception of a few small repairs, is in a very comfortable condition.  It is located in the center of a district which comprises all the large sugar refineries, oil works and factories which turn out goods of an inflammable nature, and make the hottest kind of fire when ignited.  Many of the buildings are eight ten and twelve stories high, and by reason of their real altitude, and the large area of ground covered by some of them, the firemen meet a difficult task when called upon to battle with a fire in one of them.  The members of No. 12 know whereof they speak when they say that
they are located in the heart of the worst fire district in Brooklyn, for they have many times had experiences which confirm their belief.  The company is equipped with a second-class Amoskeag engine, and a four wheeled tender,
and four kind, young, serviceable horses.  On a first-alarm they cover the entire territory lying between Kingsland Avenue  on the east and Kent Avenue on the west, and from the Hunter's Point jute works to South Ninth Street."
     - from "Our Firemen - the Official History of the BFD"
                                                                     

Engine 6 BFD initial firehouse 136 Wythe Avenue:

     


Engine 212 firehouse 136 Wythe Avenue:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

   
     


Engine 212:

     

     

     


Foam 212:

     


Engine 212 LODDs:
 
     FF Charles McHugh, August 8, 1889

          Engine 12 was responding to an alarm for fire at 129 Kent Street.  FF McHugh was driver of Engine 12's horse-drawn hose tender.  The tender wheels struck car tracks in the street and FF McHugh was thrown from his seat on the tender.  He died from his injuries.

     LT Thomas F. Kain, January 12, 1931

          LT Thomas F. Kain of Engine 212 was overcome by smoke while operating at a fire at 152 India Street. In his forty-nine years as a fireman this was his first injury. He was taken to St. Catherine’s Hospital. Several hours after completing his fiftieth anniversary he passed away. Knowing he was slipping, his only wish was to see his fiftieth anniversary. He was a member of Engine 212 for the past twenty years and was seventy-one years old at his death. He lived in the Howard Beach section of Queens.  - From "The Last Alarm" by Boucher, Urbanowicz & Melahn

         

         


     RIP.  Never forget.
 

Engine 212 closure - the "Peoples Firehouse":

     

     

     

     http://nypost.com/2004/10/07/sign-of-anger-over-firehouse-closing/

     https://brooklynrelics.blogspot.com/2014/01/engine-company-212-peoples-firehouse.html
   
     http://www.placematters.net/node/1163

     
     

Williamsburg:

     https://www.bklynlibrary.org/ourbrooklyn/williamsburg/

     http://forgotten-ny.com/2006/07/williamsburg-part-one-brooklyn/





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