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News and Events / Re: News of Members
« Last post by IRISH on April 16, 2018, 04:09:19 PM »
Thanks for the additional info Willy D. I've never heard of that incident involving FF Tom Lafreniere. Himself and FF Tom Demauro RIP were very lucky indeed. Incredible story to hear how they managed to survive

All the photos look great of what looked like a great trip. John D hasn't aged one bit since i first met him in Flatbush on a cold January day all those years ago. FF Lafreniere also looks in great shape for a man 90yrs young
Manhattan / 4/16/18 Manhattan All Hands 10-76 Box 0742
« Last post by UnitWithTheUrgent on April 16, 2018, 03:37:51 PM »
Address: 520 8th Ave. between W. 36th & W. 37th St.

Fire in the basement of a 26 story 200x100 commercial building.

E-26: 10-75 the box - Fire in the basement, details to follow. - 15:36

B-7: Transmit a 10-76. - 15:37

TL-12 FAST, E-65 4th Engine, E-21 CFR, E-8 Lobby, E-7 Comm. B-10 Safety, E-3 w/ HR-1

B-7: Have Con Ed respond, we have a transformer fire. - 15:44

D-3: Start out 2 Purple K units. (E-229 & E-84) - 15:45

B-7: We have 3 10-45's. - 15:47

D-3: Special call 2 additional trucks. (TL-7 & L-2) - 15:57

D-3: 2 L/S, 1 L/O, primaries in the cellar & sub-cellar are negative. - 16:05

D-3: Primaries on the first floor (commercial establishment) are negative. we also have a partial power loss in the building. - 16:10

FC: Per C-6, 2 of the 10-45's are code 3's & one is a code 4. - 16:18

FC: Per C-6, Primaries are complete & negative, still awaiting Con Ed. PWH - 16:37

FC: Per C-6, Transmit the All Hands. - 16:40

FC: Special call 2 additional trucks. (L-4 & H&L-5) - 16:46

FC: We have 1 additional 10-45 code 4. - 17:11

FC: Special call 3 trucks for relief. (L-8, L-16 & L-11?) - 17:25

FC: Per C-6, Under Control. - 17:54

Duration: 2 hours & 22 min.

E-26, 34, 1, 65, 21 CFR, 8 Lobby, 7 Comm.
L-21, 24, 12F, 3, 35, 7 s/c, 2 s/c, 4 s/c, 5 s/c, 8 s/c, 16 s/c, 11? s/c
B-7, 6, 2, 4, 10 Safety
E-3 w/ HR-1
E-229, 84 w/ Purple K

*B-9, E-54 & L-4 were operating at box 0836.

E-263 to E-26
E-210 to E-3
E-292 to E-8
L-154 to L-24
L-109 to L-3
L-136 to L-2
L-30 to L-4
L-42 to L-30
L-112 to L-11
H&L-6 to H&L-5
TL-23 to TL-21
SQ-288 to R-1
B-49 to B-6
B-32 to B-2
General Discussion / Texas City, April 16, 1947
« Last post by grumpy grizzly on April 16, 2018, 02:42:48 PM »
On April 16, 1947 smoke was seen coming from the hold of the SS Grandcamp while docked at the Texas City Railway Company. Among its contents were 2300 tons of ammonium nitrate (FGAN). Water was applied to the fire but it had little effect. The ship's captain then decided to use steam, a recognizied shipboard firefighting method. Hatch covers were dogged, tarps were placed over them and the ventilation cowls were turned off and steam was applied.
You could not have made a worse decision. Sealing the hold stopped the escape of heat and pressure, and confined them to the hold which were all that was needed to made the FANG extremely explosive. The volunteer Texas City Fire Department was called and responded with 4 pieces of equipment and 27 members. Several hatches failed and soon golden smoke was seen coming from the hold, it later turned dark red. At 9:12AM the Grandcamp was rocked by 3 massive explosions which were heard 150 miles away. The explosive force was equal to 250 5 ton bombs! The entire fire fighting compliment was killed, along with 500+ civilians. Damage was 50 million dollars. In addition to the Grandcamp explosion the High Flyer also exploded with 2000 tons of sulphur and another 961 tons of nitrate. Until 9-11, I believe this was the largest loss of fire fighters death to a single incident.
General Discussion / Re: 10-75 Assignment/Response
« Last post by capthale on April 16, 2018, 01:32:43 PM »
Cool thx
General Discussion / Re: 10-75 Assignment/Response
« Last post by manlt on April 16, 2018, 12:22:44 PM »
It depends on what you mean and the fire conditions.  Fire could be of such magnitude (2nd on arrival), that 2nd alarm units are being placed into separate and distinct ops as opposed to relieving 1st alarm units.  Example, fire in a private dwelling that has extending into one or two of the exposures.  2nd (and possibly 3rd) alarm units are going to be covering positions that might not have been covered by the 1st alarm units due to fire conditions.  2nd alarm units in this case are not relieving the 1st alarm units.  Same thing if fire is in a tenement or high rise.  Fire conditions might dictate that some, if not all of the 2nd alarm units are going to work on their own, not relieving 1st alarm units. 
In a perfect world, chief in charge of the fire wants companies in the bullpen.  Some times, companies and chief are playing catch up to get ahead of the fire.  Making sure that companies are relieved before they are out of air is paramount.  On outskirts of the city, 2nd alarm units might get on scene and 1st alarm units are running out of air.
Queens / Re: 4/16/18 Queens 10-75 Box 1052
« Last post by efd274 on April 16, 2018, 12:09:19 PM »
I think E286 might have been E236 as I saw a fireman there on TV with a 236 shield on his helmet.  Possibly he was detailed but there are several companies closer than E286
Brooklyn / Re: 4/11/18 Brooklyn 4th Alarm Box 2859
« Last post by twoteamtease on April 16, 2018, 11:37:37 AM »
Maybe WWF45 presented his opinion inartfully, but the the question he raises is a good one. Cities are being crushed by demand for services at the same time they are having trouble paying for retirees pensions and health care. Chicago is broke. Hartford is broke. Milwaukee just closed six firehouses and eight companies. We all know about Detroit. In New York, rapid transit and public housing are broke. Medicaid cost increases seem unstoppable. To quote Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman..."When something can't go on, it won't"!

What point do you think he was trying to make exactly?

Are you saying the FDNY as well as other departments are making their municipalities broke by having their members show up to work everyday for 20 some odd years?
General Discussion / Re: 10-75 Assignment/Response
« Last post by capthale on April 16, 2018, 10:40:48 AM »
So when the second alarm units start arriving and rotating the 10-75 was nits do they use the 50/50 meaning half standby and the other half relieved in place? Or can all the second alarm units go to work ?
Brooklyn / Re: 4/11/18 Brooklyn 4th Alarm Box 2859
« Last post by CFDMarshal on April 16, 2018, 10:07:24 AM »
I have watched NFL for over 50 years but that does not make me a pro football player or even a coach! I have been in the FD for over 35 years at all levels from firefighter to chief, volunteer to paid, and the presence of Monday morning quarterbacks never cease to amaze me. The sacrifice that all members of service are asked to make continue to get more demanding. WE do not allow fire to burn itself out. It takes manpower and equipment to accomplish that task. Watching a video and drawing a firm conclusion regarding what is needed is presumptuous.
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