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Title: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: tbendick on May 21, 2013, 04:25:36 PM
This week's chief has some comments about EMS and Span of Control.
Seems the union has issues with the current Span of Control being too great I can remember times when you had 3 conditions cars south of 125th street if you were lucky.

They are waiting for a response from FEMA on what they feel is proper.

This is the first I heard of this, but would be interesting to see FEMA come back and say to increase the supervison
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: nfd2004 on May 21, 2013, 08:00:54 PM
 For those who may not know, FDNY/EMS "Conditions Cars" are EMS supervisors on the street.

 Three Conditions Cars in Manhattan, south of 125th St, is much worse than trying to find a needle in a haystack.
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: Atlas on May 21, 2013, 11:00:27 PM
What wrong - the city lost a lost suit & decided to tie EMS Station Captains to their desk. So they went & made 4 or 5 Deputy Chiefs in each boro to handle the around the clock supervision. On the later tour (morning hrs) there are only two deputy chiefs on duty over seeing the local Lieut's. This could back fire on FDNY & they might have to put the Captains back out on the street to over see the Lieut's thus reducing the span of control. I do not know if FEMA will look at that.... time will tell.
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: memory master on May 22, 2013, 06:21:12 AM
It will interesting to see how FEMA reacts when they find out the ratio of Lt's. to personnel on units. FDNY Officers are responsible to a degree for the voluntary hospital units as well.
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: memory master on May 22, 2013, 06:22:25 AM
I should have said FDNY EMS Officers in the above post.
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: tbendick on May 25, 2013, 08:27:45 AM
C04 = Bn1,2,4 = 15 Units 1B,1C,1G,1H,1V,1R,1W,2A,2W,4D, 4C,4K,4H, ,4X,4Y

C07 = Bn7, 9 = 12 Units 7B,7C,7D,7E,7V,7Y,7R,9A,9B,9F,9V,9X

C08 = Bn 6, 8 = 10 Units 6A,6D,6X,6J,6W,8A,8D, 8Z,8W,8C

C10 = Bn10, 12 = 17 Units 10C,10F,10O,10V,10Y,10H,10U,10D,10E,10W,12A,12B,12C,12D,12R,12Y,12G

C11 = Bn 11 = 8 Units 11A,11F,11B,11X,11Y,11G,11I,11V

C13 = Bn 13 = 10 Units 13B,13C,13D,13E,13W,13G,13V,13I,13U,13Y

C16 = Bn 16 = 6 Units 16A,16B,16C,16D,16E,16Z,
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: memory master on May 25, 2013, 11:53:29 AM
There are only 2 Conditions cars on S.I.  9 in Queens. (That's if all are I/S)
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: FDNYrigs on July 14, 2014, 12:32:09 AM
http://www.uemso.com/TestimonyofVincentVarialeatNYCJointOversightCommitteeHurricaneSandy2012.htm (http://www.uemso.com/TestimonyofVincentVarialeatNYCJointOversightCommitteeHurricaneSandy2012.htm)

Interesting reading concerning FDNY EMS Command's Span of Control during Huricane Sandy.
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: tbendick on July 14, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
Yet the city has done nothing in regards to this issue.
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: memory master on July 14, 2014, 12:38:23 PM
Yet the city has done nothing in regards to this issue.

But, they want you (Conditions Bosses) to be in three places at once doing six things.
Title: Re: EMS Span Of Control
Post by: STAjo on July 15, 2014, 03:41:27 PM
Yet the city has done nothing in regards to this issue.

  Imagine That !  :o   ::)