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Incident Alert => Westchester => Topic started by: Signal73 on March 12, 2019, 06:25:11 PM

Title: Yonkers, NY General Alarm 03-12-19
Post by: Signal73 on March 12, 2019, 06:25:11 PM
Fire Location: 15 Parkview Ave

Heavy fire top floor and into the cockloft

No water on the fire yet

L-72 Fast

B-2 I/C

Requesting M/A

Pulling all members off roof.

Ladder pipes going into operation.

Extended operation.

All mutual aid to the scene per Yonkers.

Add another 3 and 2

*Photo by John “Butters” Hopper

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Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: Signal73 on March 12, 2019, 07:03:54 PM
Second Alarm Media Photo

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Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: FireBoy4551 on March 12, 2019, 07:09:52 PM
I think I heard that they are evacuating the entire building.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: STAjo on March 12, 2019, 07:33:34 PM

 Massive 7-Story Brick OMD aka 1 Garrett Pl. :

 https://www.google.com/maps/place/15+Parkview+Ave,+Yonkers,+NY+10708/@40.9410666,-73.8390961,123a,35y,39.5t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c292b29cb23b4d:0x3e80651b69ba2c5a!8m2!3d40.942011!4d-73.839721
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: SFT-NY on March 12, 2019, 08:34:31 PM

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Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: CFDMarshal on March 12, 2019, 08:34:58 PM
Any clue on who filled out the mutual aid request?
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: SFT-NY on March 12, 2019, 08:36:47 PM
M/A on scene Mt Vernon, Scarsdale, Hartsdale, Greenvale.   Eastchester on a hydrant across boarder in Bronxville with LDH charged.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: CFDMarshal on March 12, 2019, 08:42:34 PM
Yonkers Experts: What does Yonkers put on the card for 3rd alarm and above?
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 12, 2019, 10:04:29 PM
On PIX 11pm news Live - Looks like the whole darn buildings going!
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: mac8146 on March 12, 2019, 10:19:21 PM
Yonkers has 11 Engines including the squad 11, they have 6 Ladder companies, 2 of the Ladder companies are Ladder Towers 71 & 75, also Rescue 1. They have reserve rigs they use which are staffed by recalled members. I would think the entire on duty 11 and 6 are there plus many surrounding paid departments such as new Rochelle, eastchester, mount vernon, Scarsdale, Hartsdale, Greenville and white plains. I’m sure i missed a few departments. Not sure who’s covering Yonkers other than recalled units. 10:15 news still shows fire throughout the entire top floor and cockloft of this U shaped building.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: mikeindabronx on March 12, 2019, 10:38:54 PM
http://westchester.news12.com/story/40115527/multiple-fire-companies-respond-to-4alarm-building-fire-in-yonkers (http://westchester.news12.com/story/40115527/multiple-fire-companies-respond-to-4alarm-building-fire-in-yonkers)

https://abc7ny.com/massive-fire-tears-through-apartment-building-in-yonkers/5187237/ (https://abc7ny.com/massive-fire-tears-through-apartment-building-in-yonkers/5187237/)
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 12, 2019, 11:27:08 PM
Yonkers has 11 Engines including the squad 11, they have 6 Ladder companies, 2 of the Ladder companies are Ladder Towers 71 & 75. They have reserve rigs they use which are staffed by recalled members. I would think the entire on duty 11 and 6 are there plus many surrounding paid departments such as new Rochelle, eastchester, mount vernon, Scarsdale, Hartsdale, Greenville and white plains. I’m sure i missed a few departments. Not sure who’s covering Yonkers other than recalled units. 10:15 news still shows fire throughout the entire top floor and cockloft of this U shaped building.

PIX 11 News: Called this a General Alarm, what would that be equivalent to (FDNY)?
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: 69 METS on March 12, 2019, 11:31:45 PM
How many generals are assigned on a general alarm?
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 12, 2019, 11:33:45 PM
How many generals are assigned on a general alarm?

Don't know about Generals, but must be allot of Chief's!
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: 69 METS on March 12, 2019, 11:43:28 PM
Good point. Was YFD part of the military many years ago? Maybe they had generals rather than chiefs back then.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: Roofman26 on March 13, 2019, 12:56:04 AM
A General Alarm in Yonkers would mean all 11 Engines Companies,  6 Ladder Companies, & the Rescue are operating at the box.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: THEMAJESTIRIUM1 on March 13, 2019, 01:28:12 AM
https://youtu.be/-0MkBr6Jd6g

( YONKERS, NEW YORK, 4TH ALARM )  -  PREVIEW VIDEO OF THE YONKERS FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH MULTIPLE MUTUAL AID COMPANIES, BATTLING A MASSIVE A GENERAL ALARM FIRE IN A MULTIPLE DWELLING ON PARKVIEW AVENUE IN YONKERS, NEW YORK.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: FDNY Response Videos on March 13, 2019, 01:47:52 AM
https://youtu.be/vTuJVfIjf08

For some reason it took 5 hours to upload this - It was ready to got at 9:30 but kept freezing at the very end. Quite the fire.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: skylerfire on March 13, 2019, 03:43:24 AM
https://youtu.be/eaSXfo4skGc

Yonkers Massive 4+ Alarm Building Fire with Heavy Fire Thru Roof of a 6 Story Apartment Building

15 Parkview Avenue

(Maybe this is not 100% Correct)

1st Alarm
SQ11 E312 E313 E307
TL75 L73 R1 B2

Working Fire
E314 L70 MSU

2nd Alarm
E310 E306 E304
L74 TL71 B1

3rd Alarm
E309 E303 E308
L72

4th Alarm
Mt Vernon Tower Ladder 1
Scarsdale Engine
Hartsdale Engine & Tower
Greenvale Engine
Eastchester Tower
New Rochelle Engine

Coverage
Numerous Reserve Engines & Ladders from Yonkers FD
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: THEMAJESTIRIUM1 on March 13, 2019, 04:54:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jgqjkv3fd4

( YONKERS, NEW YORK, 4TH ALARM )  -  EXTENSIVE DETAILED RAW FOOTAGE YONKERS FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH MULTIPLE MUTUAL AID COMPANIES, BATTLING A MASSIVE A GENERAL ALARM FIRE IN A MULTIPLE DWELLING ON PARKVIEW AVENUE IN YONKERS, NEW YORK.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: GFD70 on March 13, 2019, 12:20:29 PM
A General Alarm for them means all of their companies are on scene. I believe the 10-30 (All Hands) is 4E, 2L, Sq-11, R-1 and both Battalions (1 as IC, 1 as Safety). Every additional alarm is 2E & 1L. They usually bring in M/A to back fill firehouses on a 3rd alarm. In this case it sounded like because it went from a 3rd to a 4th so quickly, they never got to request the first round of mutual aid before requesting the second round so it all came at once and most of it ended up going to the scene.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 13, 2019, 06:31:16 PM
Being that about a week ago the FDNY gave Mutual-Aid to New Rochchell for a house fire, is it surprising that there was no Mutual-Aid from the FDNY for this job?
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: mac8146 on March 13, 2019, 06:44:39 PM
Mutual Aid is by request of the municipality. If no request then no response. Even though there is an annual inter agency operability drill at Randall’s Island for some reason FDNY is rarely called to assist along the borders. FYI the drill brings paid departments from Westchester to the Rock for drills with FDNY units. Not sure if there is a reason from a political standpoint or if payments are required but I can only think of 2 or 3 times in last 15 years that FDNY went into Yonkers.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: skylerfire on March 13, 2019, 07:00:57 PM
https://youtu.be/ZL82kwdixfQ

Quick Clip of a Tower Ladder being Used as a Standpipe (I believe it was Hartsdales Tower Ladder)
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: tperez102 on March 13, 2019, 08:57:05 PM
Boro call that mutual aid was provided to Mount Vernon right on the Bronx line of service. Came in as a phone alarm.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: fdny747 on March 13, 2019, 08:57:55 PM
Did FDNY Send any units?
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 13, 2019, 09:00:46 PM
Boro call that mutual aid was provided to Mount Vernon right on the Bronx line of service. Came in as a phone alarm.

Sorry, wrong city - But even if the BX gets the call, doesn't the MA have to be requested/approved for/by MV?
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: tperez102 on March 13, 2019, 09:02:40 PM
I was wrong earlier Boro , it was a Verbal from the Battalion.

Verbal from B-15 for 3&2 to stand by to assist Mount Vernon with a house fire driven by high winds. (5 Johnson St.)

B-15: Transmit a box for a working fire in Mount Vernon area, the fire is located at Johnson St & W. Kingsbridge Rd. - 14:09

B-15: Using 2&2 assisting MV to gain control, making sure there's no exposure problems. - 14:21

E-63, 66, 97
L-51, 39
B-15
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BronxFireRadio on March 13, 2019, 09:09:40 PM
A General Alarm in Yonkers is a 5th plus recall of off-duty members. We had White Plains E66 acting E303. I heard "Squad to Battalion, we have fiyah EVERYWHERE in this cockloft!" when I tuned into Fireground.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 13, 2019, 11:48:33 PM
I was wrong earlier Boro , it was a Verbal from the Battalion.

Verbal from B-15 for 3&2 to stand by to assist Mount Vernon with a house fire driven by high winds. (5 Johnson St.)

B-15: Transmit a box for a working fire in Mount Vernon area, the fire is located at Johnson St & W. Kingsbridge Rd. - 14:09

B-15: Using 2&2 assisting MV to gain control, making sure there's no exposure problems. - 14:21

E-63, 66, 97
L-51, 39
B-15

No problem.  Thanks for clarifying. 
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 13, 2019, 11:53:47 PM
Mutual Aid is by request of the municipality. If no request then no response. Even though there is an annual inter agency operability drill at Randall’s Island for some reason FDNY is rarely called to assist along the borders. FYI the drill brings paid departments from Westchester to the Rock for drills with FDNY units. Not sure if there is a reason from a political standpoint or if payments are required but I can only think of 2 or 3 times in last 15 years that FDNY went into Yonkers.

Yes, I was aware of that - I'm not sure if the drills are due to a legal or politico issues, but I think Yonkers may not really want FDNY coming in.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: nap72 on March 14, 2019, 06:03:05 PM
Just to clear up some of the Mutual Aid issues.

Mount Vernon job a couple of weeks ago - the FDNY did NOT provide mutual aid.

The FDNY IC kept an assignment present in case the fire spread to NYC houses.
This was not a mutual aid response, or a mutual aid request.  FDNY did not operate with Westchester companies.
It was just that the Mount Vernon job was burning out of control and the FDNY IC felt it may spread and end up endangering NYC properties.
Half way down the street, Secor Avenue, is literally in the Bronx.

As far as mutual aid for Westchester Counties.
The cities with paid Firefighters have mutual aid agreements.  Yonkers, Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, Pelham, White Plains, Scarsdale, Hartsdale, Eastchester, Greenville, etc.
When there is a big job there, these cities call and provide mutual aid for each other (although good luck getting mutual aid from Mount Vernon, another thread).
The firefighters in these departments are called in - ON OVERTIME - to man the reserve rigs in their cities.  If we were to provide mutual aid - the union's point would be - they will call the FDNY all the time, and we will not get the overtime to man the rigs.
It becomes a big union issue.
Imagine those firefighters sitting home and not getting called in, while the FDNY does the work - No Good.  Can't happen.

I believe the actual wording of the city's mutual aid agreement with surrounding cities is that the FDNY Commissioner must approve FDNY mutual aid.  And in some/most/all cases the FDNY receives financial reimbursement from those municipalities.  (Not sure those other counties and states wanna pick up that tab.  Katrina - FEMA picked up the bill.)

On a side note:
Any equipment obtained through the use of a federal grant - i.e. fireboats and some specialized equipment - if requested by another department, must be sent.  That is how the FDNY obtains the grants from the federal government, with the understanding that if requested and the nearest available, the FDNY will provide that assistance.
That's why we send fireboats to NJ, or to help the USCG out in international waters, and some rescue companies have been sent to Long Island for confined space.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: mikeindabronx on March 14, 2019, 08:07:22 PM
nap72, thanks for the interesting info
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 14, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
Just to clear up some of the Mutual Aid issues.

Mount Vernon job a couple of weeks ago - the FDNY did NOT provide mutual aid.

The FDNY IC kept an assignment present in case the fire spread to NYC houses.
This was not a mutual aid response, or a mutual aid request.  FDNY did not operate with Westchester companies.
It was just that the Mount Vernon job was burning out of control and the FDNY IC felt it may spread and end up endangering NYC properties.
Half way down the street, Secor Avenue, is literally in the Bronx.

As far as mutual aid for Westchester Counties.
The cities with paid Firefighters have mutual aid agreements.  Yonkers, Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, Pelham, White Plains, Scarsdale, Hartsdale, Eastchester, Greenville, etc.
When there is a big job there, these cities call and provide mutual aid for each other (although good luck getting mutual aid from Mount Vernon, another thread).
The firefighters in these departments are called in - ON OVERTIME - to man the reserve rigs in their cities.  If we were to provide mutual aid - the union's point would be - they will call the FDNY all the time, and we will not get the overtime to man the rigs.
It becomes a big union issue.
Imagine those firefighters sitting home and not getting called in, while the FDNY does the work - No Good.  Can't happen.

I believe the actual wording of the city's mutual aid agreement with surrounding cities is that the FDNY Commissioner must approve FDNY mutual aid.  And in some/most/all cases the FDNY receives financial reimbursement from those municipalities.  (Not sure those other counties and states wanna pick up that tab.  Katrina - FEMA picked up the bill.)

On a side note:
Any equipment obtained through the use of a federal grant - i.e. fireboats and some specialized equipment - if requested by another department, must be sent.  That is how the FDNY obtains the grants from the federal government, with the understanding that if requested and the nearest available, the FDNY will provide that assistance.
That's why we send fireboats to NJ, or to help the USCG out in international waters, and some rescue companies have been sent to Long Island for confined space.

WOW - Thank you.  tperez102, did post a clarification on the FDNY communication of the MV job - I had at first thought FDNY did get involved operations in MV, so that was clarified.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 15, 2019, 12:44:39 PM
It was just reported on the Ch. 7 Eyewitness Mid=Day News, that wielding work was the cause of the fire.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: raybrag on March 15, 2019, 12:46:35 PM
Must have been wielding the ducks.  ;D ;) ::) 8)
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 15, 2019, 06:57:30 PM
Must have been wielding the ducks.  ;D ;) ::) 8)

The report stated the work was being done in a corner apt. in the building.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: GFD70 on March 16, 2019, 06:41:00 PM
Mutual Aid is by request of the municipality. If no request then no response. Even though there is an annual inter agency operability drill at Randall’s Island for some reason FDNY is rarely called to assist along the borders. FYI the drill brings paid departments from Westchester to the Rock for drills with FDNY units. Not sure if there is a reason from a political standpoint or if payments are required but I can only think of 2 or 3 times in last 15 years that FDNY went into Yonkers.
Just to clarify, the annual Mutual Aid drill is an exercise of both New york City’s mutual aid plan as well and New York State’s mutual aid deployment plan. Much of the drill focuses on radio interoperability and equipment interoperability (hose fittings & adaptors) as well as staging and deploying mutual aid resources.
Over the years it went from drills at predetermined firehouses to several multi-company drills at The Rock.
I believe the the drill is funded through federal grant money. An After Action Report is issued to idenifty and correct any deficiencies.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: truck4 on March 18, 2019, 11:31:32 PM
1806hrs- Multiple calls for smoke from the roof, apartment window and top floor apartment.
1st Alarm: Squad 11, 312, 310, 314; L-75, 70; R-1 B-1
(B-2 on another assignment became available)

1810hrs- Sq-11 on location with a report of fire in a shaft.

1811hrs- B-2 transmitting 10-29 (Working fire) req. FAST

1812hrs- B-2 transmitting 2nd Alarm.
2nd Alarm: E-307, 306; L-71
E-313 became available, added to assignment

1816hrs- Units reporting heavy fire in the cockloft, west wing of building.

1818hrs- B-2 req. all incoming engine companies to hit hydrants. Fire in Apt. 6G and cockloft.

1819hrs- Car 2 transmitting 3rd Alarm
3rd Alarm: E-308, 303; L-73 (became available from another assignment)

1822hrs- Car 2 transmitting 4th Alarm
4th Alarm: E-304

1830hrs- Car S/C Eastchester Engine (E-31) to hit a hydrant in Bronxville and stretch in.

1833hrs- YPD ESU METU Medical Bus to scene, set up on Plamer Road.

1835hrs- L-74 became available from another assignment, responding.

1847hrs- E-309 became available, responding.

1855hrs- Car 2 S/C Mutual Aid cover companies redirect to the scene.
Hartsdale E-170, New Rochelle E-22, Mount Vernon E-204


 
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: BoroCall on March 23, 2019, 11:42:58 PM
Mutual Aid is by request of the municipality. If no request then no response. Even though there is an annual inter agency operability drill at Randall’s Island for some reason FDNY is rarely called to assist along the borders. FYI the drill brings paid departments from Westchester to the Rock for drills with FDNY units. Not sure if there is a reason from a political standpoint or if payments are required but I can only think of 2 or 3 times in last 15 years that FDNY went into Yonkers.
Just to clarify, the annual Mutual Aid drill is an exercise of both New york City’s mutual aid plan as well and New York State’s mutual aid deployment plan. Much of the drill focuses on radio interoperability and equipment interoperability (hose fittings & adaptors) as well as staging and deploying mutual aid resources.
Over the years it went from drills at predetermined firehouses to several multi-company drills at The Rock.
I believe the the drill is funded through federal grant money. An After Action Report is issued to idenifty and correct any deficiencies.

Not sure if it's still in use, but the NYC OEM (or NYC EM) inter-agency radios and frequency is/was instituted from the multi-agency drills when then OEM Director Hauer & Mayor Giuliani, back in the days when Giuliani supported emergency services.
Title: Re: 3/12/19 Yonkers 4th Alarm
Post by: Bulldog on March 24, 2019, 12:48:33 PM
The firefighters in these departments are called in - ON OVERTIME - to man the reserve rigs in their cities.  If we were to provide mutual aid - the union's point would be - they will call the FDNY all the time, and we will not get the overtime to man the rigs.
It becomes a big union issue.
Imagine those firefighters sitting home and not getting called in, while the FDNY does the work - No Good.  Can't happen.
It's a shame that union issues get in the way of providing the quickest service to citizens/taxpayers.
Quote
I believe the actual wording of the city's mutual aid agreement with surrounding cities is that the FDNY Commissioner must approve FDNY mutual aid.

By having this in the actual wording it certainly makes you think that it's not intended to be used. Any mutual aid agreement I've ever been involved with you just make a radio call a phone call and the equipment response immediately. Also, I've never been involved with any mutual aid agreement that requires the assisting departments to be paid for their services.

FYI: I'm talking about being involved in 3 states, upstate NY, SC and KY.