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Incident Alert => International => Topic started by: mikeindabronx on April 15, 2019, 01:28:28 PM

Title: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: mikeindabronx on April 15, 2019, 01:28:28 PM
https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/fire-notre-dame-video/ (https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/fire-notre-dame-video/)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/15/notre-dame-cathedral-fire/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/15/notre-dame-cathedral-fire/)

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/15/paris-notre-dame-cathedral-on-fire-reuters.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/15/paris-notre-dame-cathedral-on-fire-reuters.html)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6925015/Fire-breaks-historic-Notre-Dame-cathedral-Paris.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6925015/Fire-breaks-historic-Notre-Dame-cathedral-Paris.html)
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: Signal73 on April 15, 2019, 01:35:57 PM
https://abc7ny.com/watch/23377/

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/national-international/Fire-Smoke-Notre-Dame-Cathedral-Paris-508599081.html
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: efd274 on April 15, 2019, 02:09:31 PM
From my recent visit there on Oct 3, 2018

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0TlWxv9jRaeDIAFIPaQ-axRVg
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: Micael on April 15, 2019, 02:12:17 PM
Live news broadcast in english by France24:
https://youtu.be/O8yyiEfHIRA

It appears to be largely destroyed at this point. The large spire has collapsed and heavy fire out of most of the structure.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: grumpy grizzly on April 15, 2019, 02:44:08 PM
CNN has retired FDNY DDC Bullock giving commentary on the tactics involved.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: 68jk09 on April 15, 2019, 02:47:54 PM
^^^^^ i did not see CNN but would that be Jim Bullock ? ....a friend since childhood.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: grumpy grizzly on April 15, 2019, 03:06:42 PM
yes it was.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: mikeindabronx on April 15, 2019, 04:48:37 PM
pic.twitter.com/jRiHoNo6rf (http://pic.twitter.com/jRiHoNo6rf)
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: raybrag on April 15, 2019, 04:58:33 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/zHWCmfqb/ND.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zHWCmfqb)
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: BoroCall on April 15, 2019, 05:18:38 PM
Just in, as per Eyewitness News:  Firefighters on scene say the main structure of Notre Dame has been saved - God Bless them all for there bravery & heroic efforts!!!!

Live Updates:
https://abcnews.go.com/International/fire-breaks-paris-notre-dame-cathedral/story?id=62411000
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: grumpy grizzly on April 15, 2019, 05:41:14 PM
Is it true that the Paris Fire Brigade is a unit of the French army responsible for fire protection and supression?
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: raybrag on April 15, 2019, 05:49:22 PM
Yes, Grump, that is true. In army terms, they are "sappers" (combat engineers), thus the department's title "Sapeurs Pompiers de Paris" rather than just "Pompiers de Paris".  The Paris FD is the 3rd largest department in the world, behind only Tokyo and FDNY.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: entropychaser on April 15, 2019, 07:03:30 PM
French Fire Departments are under the French Army with the exception of Marseille, which is under the French Navy.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: Jeff2mars on April 15, 2019, 07:59:45 PM
Only Fire Departments of Paris and Marseille belong to the French Army, because of the History. Paris is managed by a department of the "land forces", and Marseille by the Navy. FF are trained with short army classes and then a regular FF/EMT programme.

Other Fire Departments in France are civil FD.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: entropychaser on April 15, 2019, 08:41:31 PM
I had a late acquaintance who lived in Paris in the 1950's. At the time he worked for the CIA. One night he had a dinner party at his central Paris apartment. During preparations, the oven was set on fire. While extinguishing the fire, the local fire brigade was summoned. My friend was a Naval Academy graduate and served on a destroyer after WWII in China. Nothing surprised him. After the fire was extinguished, the group returned to the wine and crepes. Minutes later, there was a tentative knock on the door. It was the fire brigade. Le Capitaine offered profound regrets for their delayed response. It turnedout their rig wouldn't start (who hasn't been there...). So... they had to take the Metro (subway)! I wonder who signed that fire report.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: Bulldog on April 15, 2019, 10:18:02 PM
Here's the 1st interior pictures, surprisingly it isn't as I feared it would be
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgvl6qxw5ibcnqn/Interior%20View.jpg?dl=0
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: mikeindabronx on April 16, 2019, 12:43:03 PM
pic.twitter.com/O9ELwENcoY (http://pic.twitter.com/O9ELwENcoY)

pic.twitter.com/re9ZR0KB3W (http://pic.twitter.com/re9ZR0KB3W)

pic.twitter.com/0GJZKAdYdM (http://pic.twitter.com/0GJZKAdYdM)
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: efd274 on April 17, 2019, 04:46:57 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/04/17/meet-the-firefighting-robot-that-helped-save-notre-dame/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Pretty interesting - they used fire robotics in tackling this fire.

Is FDNY considering this?
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: BoroCall on April 17, 2019, 05:07:25 PM
Just reported on Eyewitness News:

Disney, has pledged $5-Million dollars to rebuild Notre Damn.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: entropychaser on April 17, 2019, 06:16:45 PM
Researchers at MIT are working day and night on the FDNY robot. The big computer problems are: 1) getting it to complain in the kitchen, particularly about the mayor, 2) understanding a Brooklyn accent, 3) understanding a mutual, 4) not telling a chief what to do, 5) doing the dishes, 6) paying union dues, and 7) knowing that a playing bagpipe is not a female cat in heat.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: CVILLE 7111 on April 18, 2019, 01:25:54 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/04/18/france-to-honor-firefighters-who-saved-notre-dame-cathedral/
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: CVILLE 7111 on April 18, 2019, 01:28:18 PM
https://youtu.be/pceKHvyu79w
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: 68jk09 on April 18, 2019, 11:57:00 PM
https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/news/police-firefighters-teamed-up-to-save-crown-of-thorns-from-notre-dame-inferno-GKZJ77oumkKavBOemnOang/
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: CVILLE 7111 on April 19, 2019, 09:15:48 AM
Of course they did!
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: manhattan on April 19, 2019, 10:32:23 PM
 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/world/europe/notre-dame-fire-safety.html?emc=edit_na_20190419&nl=breaking-news&nlid=35684520ing-news&ref=headline

Notre-Dame’s Safety Planners Underestimated the Risk, With Devastating Results 

An  infuriating lack of planning and forethought, at best.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: Bulldog on April 20, 2019, 11:59:07 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/world/europe/notre-dame-fire-safety.html?emc=edit_na_20190419&nl=breaking-news&nlid=35684520ing-news&ref=headline

Notre-Dame’s Safety Planners Underestimated the Risk, With Devastating Results 

An  infuriating lack of planning and forethought, at best.
underestimating the risk is an understatement! I can't believe that is not normal for fire alarm systems to directly notify the fire departments in France. The article stated that he didn't want to bother the fire department with false alarms? Also interesting how some major buildings like the Louvre and several others have members of the fire department stationed on site. It certainly seems like Notre Dame is as important as any of the other bldg. cited for having on-site firefighters.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: CFDMarshal on April 20, 2019, 09:40:07 PM
I visited the place in 2015 and access to the building is very limited. Once inside the structure,  huge open spaces as you can imagine then the exposed wooden roof structure. You would need an interior aerial ladder! One of the photos had a great shot of the hose reels the FD deploys on all structure fires. evidently, the first fire alarm received was investigated and nothing was found. Second time was a charm!
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: manhattan on April 20, 2019, 10:02:41 PM
I'll be curious to know if any heads will roll among those responsible for the (by U.S. standards) atrocious fire and life safety standards not only at the cathedral but, apparently, throughout France as far as the automatic alarms to FD are concerned.

Can Dec or any of our other overseas brothers on The Site provide information as to their own jurisdictions, whether in the EU, South America or elsewhere?

Also, if anyone has French language skills, please let the rest of us know of any political and professional follow-up.
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: manhattan on April 21, 2019, 12:53:32 AM
https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/others/irish-woman-paris-firefighters-notre-dame?utm_campaign=IC+FAVS+-+Apr+19+-+2019-04-19&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Mailjet

 In praise of the Paris firefighters who saved Notre Dame 
Title: Re: Paris,France, Notre Dame Cathedral Fire 4/15/19
Post by: Jeff2mars on May 06, 2019, 09:56:31 PM
Also interesting how some major buildings like the Louvre and several others have members of the fire department stationed on site. It certainly seems like Notre Dame is as important as any of the other bldg. cited for having on-site firefighters.

Actually this is not the fire department that is on site. In France, every place that hosts shows, concerts or big malls, big museums etc. has private companies trained to detect and fight starting fires, while calling 911. Those private companies are at a command post inside the building, they walk around the building, wait for fire alarms, and start to fight any starting fire. If a fire alarm goes off, they locate the place and go check what's happening. If they don't see anything, they generally don't call the fire department. They can also provide first aid with basic EMT classes. Their diploma is a national certificate but they are not firefighters.