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Title: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on April 15, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
Hello Troops; I have expressed my thoughts about vintage war year fire helmets on e-bay, it moves me in a sad way... I have always felt your fire helmet was your resume, a business card, receipt of work well done. It is your personal trophy, prominently placed in your favorite spot near the fireplace when you leave the job. The beat up shape, wear and tear of previous battles with the red devil. It was your personal lifeline...f you were in trouble you would toss your helmet, and help would be on the way...Unfortunately, like the way of the scaling ladder, the trophy will eventually return to the quartermaster in the sky, or just neglected in an attic or basement until it fades away. I thought you might help me catalogue these treasures, once removed and they go on e-bay and leave it's owner, is when the fat lady sings. Hope you enjoy the following collection. And why not lead off with Dennis Smiths Engine 82 helmet. Note, there are two different Captain L3 helmets, the first is Captain Paddy Brown's helmet in honor and memory of 9/11 Brothers. Hope you enjoy, and please feel free to jump in with pics, stories and/or comments!


(https://i.postimg.cc/gLhjYjQ5/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-49-07.png) (https://postimg.cc/gLhjYjQ5)


(https://i.postimg.cc/RW4hBMRs/Screenshot-2019-04-15-19-03-47.png) (https://postimg.cc/RW4hBMRs)

Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on April 15, 2019, 07:51:53 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/LnB4vcpz/Screenshot-2019-04-15-19-01-25.png) (https://postimg.cc/LnB4vcpz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2Vf8QzPk/Screenshot-2019-04-15-19-02-19.png) (https://postimg.cc/2Vf8QzPk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/87ZpgLsc/Screenshot-2019-04-15-19-02-55.png) (https://postimg.cc/87ZpgLsc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/18mmdvmb/Screenshot-2019-04-15-19-07-24.png) (https://postimg.cc/18mmdvmb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wtP97HXd/Screenshot-2019-04-15-19-09-23.png) (https://postimg.cc/wtP97HXd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YjFCL4DD/Screenshot-2019-04-15-19-09-45.png) (https://postimg.cc/YjFCL4DD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/62k61wqh/Screenshot-2019-04-15-19-12-18.png) (https://postimg.cc/62k61wqh)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on April 15, 2019, 07:52:54 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/GBBC0NZg/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-49-51.png) (https://postimg.cc/GBBC0NZg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CRx07dJg/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-49-58.png) (https://postimg.cc/CRx07dJg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JGmMypkt/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-52-38.png) (https://postimg.cc/JGmMypkt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QKZsJbY4/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-55-12.png) (https://postimg.cc/QKZsJbY4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2bZrWJGL/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-55-43.png) (https://postimg.cc/2bZrWJGL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SXjySjzr/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-56-11.png) (https://postimg.cc/SXjySjzr)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0K7kT3J1/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-56-30.png) (https://postimg.cc/0K7kT3J1)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on April 15, 2019, 07:54:07 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/nXPy12C4/Screenshot-2019-04-15-09-31-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nXPy12C4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N5pqKBtP/Screenshot-2019-04-15-17-55-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N5pqKBtP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XpV6NXRC/Screenshot-2019-04-15-17-55-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XpV6NXRC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/kRC3b5DL/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-46-57.png) (https://postimg.cc/kRC3b5DL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6TVNNCmK/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-47-11.png) (https://postimg.cc/6TVNNCmK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0KCgdqwj/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-48-16.png) (https://postimg.cc/0KCgdqwj)



(https://i.postimg.cc/Lhjm6chr/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-49-40.png) (https://postimg.cc/Lhjm6chr)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on April 15, 2019, 07:55:20 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/DW4tpGXt/Screenshot-2019-04-15-17-57-11-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DW4tpGXt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1nxbkz04/Screenshot-2019-04-15-17-57-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/1nxbkz04)

(https://i.postimg.cc/LhV6VdRj/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-00-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/LhV6VdRj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQpbsRKm/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-01-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sQpbsRKm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yj7Cg2cp/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-03-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Yj7Cg2cp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GTdVpS5C/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-10-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/GTdVpS5C)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w7TxfWTZ/Screenshot-2019-04-15-18-13-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w7TxfWTZ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on April 15, 2019, 10:17:34 PM
 Dan, each one of those helmets have their own story to tell. If they could only talk.

 Not a FDNY War Years helmet but my father was a firefighter in Bridgeport, Ct. He was my Role Model and the guy I wanted to be like. He retired in 1978 and he gave me his helmet, which I still have today.

 I will see if I can get one of the guys here (Brad Y., "signal 73" are you out there ?) to post the picture of it for me.

 I wrote a little story about him in 2009 on another web site. Here is my story of the guy who wore that helmet, my father, who I nicknamed "Smoke". 

 http://www.emtbravo.net/topic/33201-our-role-models?#comment-190007   
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: manhattan on April 15, 2019, 11:14:51 PM
Bill,

I can well understand why your Dad is your hero, and very deservedly so. 

I also appreciate how you glide over your own heroism; it’s one very important point of the story and you haven’t given it enough ‘punch’.  You didn’t just give a handout to Ed Martin and walk away, but you took the time and effort to buy him a cup of coffee and share some time with him which gave you such a wonderful story.  So typical of a Fire Fighter to overlook the importance of a small gesture.

You’re a good man, Willy.  I know “Smoke” is proud of you and I can understand why.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Signal73 on April 16, 2019, 01:25:48 AM
Uncle Willy asked me to post this


(https://i.postimg.cc/rdvtPT5F/4-B23-A95-A-E6-DB-4-BA8-9555-4-D368-F3-AF977.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rdvtPT5F)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on April 27, 2019, 10:05:16 PM
Helmet being sold on e-bay for $675 by daughter in law;
(https://i.postimg.cc/pm0ZpC7k/Screenshot-2019-04-27-21-51-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/pm0ZpC7k)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on April 28, 2019, 01:17:09 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/nXPy12C4/Screenshot-2019-04-15-09-31-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nXPy12C4)


Is that Ladder 30?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on April 28, 2019, 05:45:35 AM
Sure seems to be.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on April 28, 2019, 07:41:17 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/nXPy12C4/Screenshot-2019-04-15-09-31-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nXPy12C4)


Is that Ladder 30?

 Those helmets don't need to talk to tell their own stories.

 This one kind of tells what it was like working back then in that Harlem firehouse of Engine 59/Ladder 30.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 09:04:30 AM
$555 bucks and you can own this trophy
(https://i.postimg.cc/0619YyT9/Screenshot-2019-05-02-07-30-16-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0619YyT9)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on May 02, 2019, 11:19:50 AM
Judging by the front piece I would say this is from the Queens 326 and not going back to when the company was on Neptune Avenue in Brooklyn. Back then there were no company number inserts.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on May 02, 2019, 11:37:51 AM
Judging by the front piece I would say this is from the Queens 326 and not going back to when the company was on Neptune Avenue in Brooklyn. Back then there were no company number inserts.

Anyone know when the Department switched to inserts?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 1261Truckie on May 02, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
1959 or 1960
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 01:39:17 PM
The Lieutenant insert changed over the years, the Lt had a white frontpiece, but the insert was the same as a firefighter would have. The Captain had a white frontpiece and white insert with red number for truck co's, black for engine, etc.

During the mid 90's the department implemented a program that when you were detailed to another company you had a "shop made" insert attached to a rubber inner tube tire that you positioned on your lid over your facepiece. The program did not last long, the faux facepiece was either taken by accident, lost or just forgotten inside the housewatch desk.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on May 02, 2019, 04:46:42 PM
$555 bucks and you can own this trophy
(https://i.postimg.cc/0619YyT9/Screenshot-2019-05-02-07-30-16-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0619YyT9)
This actually belonged to a Charter Member of the re organized 326 (started in QNS 1984) ...the FF came from ENG*55 ...(info Thanks to Marc D.)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on May 02, 2019, 04:58:27 PM
1959 or 1960
Correct they completed the switchover in 1960......i still feel this was a waste of time (& a $ scam at the time).....the original idea was that  a FF would have the frame w/Badge # & if he transferred he would just get a new Company insert....many guys just replaced the whole thing if they transferred if they wanted to keep the Front intact for their memorabilia ....plus if the Front was old sometimes trying to separate the insert from the frame resulted in destruction..... it is odd that the older straight fronts from Cairns even though they had some cardboard sandwiched in the layers stood up better than the crap available from the FDNY Quartermaster today.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on May 02, 2019, 05:07:03 PM
Paul Conway Fronts......   https://www.google.com/search?q=NY+style+Helmet+front+pieces&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:Ccav6p-ltWsyIjhKIyfolRa8Dxb5HrstJU2DhnODrpalVaW2cVRpxqULG9xr5eA4evOn2P-D1qt1rCw7GAmeNMpUQCoSCUojJ-iVFrwPEcD3X7yLsbl4KhIJFvkeuy0lTYMRxoaKh8Zw33MqEgmGc4OulqVVpRFyMP5FccBtNSoSCbZxVGnGpQsbETnU6s9rErx4KhIJ3Gvl4Dh686cRKHhdya8tPPUqEgnY_14PWq3WsLBHGDkGeR27Q4SoSCTsYCZ40ylRAEQiRgVaj9TK8&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwipj-it3_3hAhWDdd8KHRrEA1YQ9C96BAgBEBg&biw=1024&bih=502&dpr=1#imgrc=xq_qn6W1azLjtM:
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 06:20:28 PM
Now who did not have one of these with the handset?...I helped an older kid with his paper route, at the end of the week he gave me a $1 and bought me a Mounds Candy Bar at the Texaco station that was a part of his route. Every week I saw about a dozen of these beauties on a back shelf, I think they wanted $5.99 at the time. I finally got up the cash and bought one...my first order was to my younger brother..."get out of my room"
(https://i.postimg.cc/4nqcps2d/Screenshot-2019-05-02-14-36-26-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4nqcps2d)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 07:08:56 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/2LV69cTm/Screenshot-2019-05-02-09-59-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2LV69cTm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G959TRhp/Screenshot-2019-05-02-09-59-47-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G959TRhp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yj9hS07V/Screenshot-2019-05-02-10-00-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Yj9hS07V)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 07:17:09 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/NL5jcn7v/20190502-135707.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NL5jcn7v)

This was my Uncle Jacks helmet, my lifetime mentor. He gave it to me when he left R3 for L31 sometime in early 70's when I was a young buff. I have treasured it since. He also gave me another helmet which replaced this one from E45. Upon his death, I returned the E45 helmet to his family, they had another helmet, too. I held onto the memorable R3 helmet and decided it's rightful place would be in the quarters of R3 where I returned it a couple of years ago for ever. I'm pretty sure Jack would appreciate the offering.



(https://i.postimg.cc/K3YY1ZWm/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-34-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K3YY1ZWm)

Rescue 3 FF Jack Mayne behind FF Mickey Maye giving mouth to mouth resuscitation
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 07:29:24 PM
When I was a young buff I collected fire helmets, my collection grew to about thirty helmets. I had helmets from local volly fire depts, uncle Jacks retired FDNY lids, helmets from Japan, Berlin and London. I also had two very old helmets with the brass eagle. One was from St. Paul, MN with the facepiece leather lettering carved out of leather. The other I bought from a collector on Staten Island for $60 back in the day. It was a Boston Battalion Fire Chiefs helmet from the Marine Division. When I was disassembling my collection I wrote to the BFD Museum. They told me it was the helmet of a BC who died in line of duty many years ago. I sent them the BC helmet to add to the museum collection, rightfuly where it belongs.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hf72mSg4/20190502-135509.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hf72mSg4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Cd2vdR36/20190502-135542.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cd2vdR36)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 8060rock on May 02, 2019, 07:45:40 PM
JohnnyG - you have a great eclectic collection of pictures to go along with the many interesting and entertaining memories - good stuff and yes, I enjoy reading, thanks for writing!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 08:06:03 PM
More commin'
(https://i.postimg.cc/Kkh5tW7K/Screenshot-2019-05-02-13-22-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Kkh5tW7K)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 08:11:16 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/tZg4vqN8/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-54-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tZg4vqN8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bdsvQvJt/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-56-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bdsvQvJt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8s9zwVJn/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-56-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8s9zwVJn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zHbX5xMj/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-57-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zHbX5xMj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0MH2LTtj/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-58-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0MH2LTtj)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 08:12:27 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/tnCW5Gsg/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-52-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tnCW5Gsg)


(https://i.postimg.cc/Jsmmd71K/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-53-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Jsmmd71K)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yv3kcc07/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-54-04-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Yv3kcc07)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dDbJrmpb/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-54-35-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dDbJrmpb)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 02, 2019, 08:13:34 PM






(https://i.postimg.cc/Kk5tB8vV/Screenshot-2019-05-02-19-52-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Kk5tB8vV)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 02, 2019, 08:55:49 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/fVHh6PNW/L-169.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fVHh6PNW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ff7Qmxry/E-96-helmet.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ff7Qmxry)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B8kfv1bd/E-298-helmet-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B8kfv1bd)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 03, 2019, 06:34:54 PM
In case you didn't know about "fire helmet fashion" (I sure didn't), here is a chart to help you with your design!
(https://i.postimg.cc/3kNqZPHR/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-25-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/3kNqZPHR)


If this is a "Bronx Bend".....
(https://i.postimg.cc/188WFwpV/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-27-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/188WFwpV)

Then what is this??
(https://i.postimg.cc/4H3vgRPH/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-26-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4H3vgRPH)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on May 03, 2019, 06:41:39 PM
^^^^ Last picture ...a Scott Bottle Flip ?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 03, 2019, 10:46:42 PM
Chicago Fire Department - War Year's helmet of Commissioner Quinn:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/TpC2Prb0/images-G5-OVNOIN.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TpC2Prb0)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/Lhk6cd6r/ct-fire-robert-quinn-flashback-0119-20140119.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Lhk6cd6r)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/xX8fNcy2/Quinn-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xX8fNcy2)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/HcDdN3GY/Quinn-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HcDdN3GY)


     https://chicagoandcookcountycemeteries.com/2018/09/11/the-battered-helmet/
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 03, 2019, 11:54:06 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/8FqCLMTv/1-5e415618cb00135289ea0a1a77ecd518.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8FqCLMTv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JD5sNxKF/fdny-nyfd-super-pumper-fire-helmet-1-bcd39372052563b311a242e98f4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JD5sNxKF)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 03, 2019, 11:54:53 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/w76j56Yw/helmet-47.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w76j56Yw)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 04, 2019, 12:00:18 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/DS1n4Zxj/L-77.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DS1n4Zxj)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 04, 2019, 07:20:07 PM
Inserts used to be attached to frontpiece with four machine screws. The frontpiece was attached to helmet with four brass cotter pins.
(https://i.postimg.cc/5Y5qh73Y/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-29-18-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5Y5qh73Y)


The newer helmets with chin straps has two small bolts from the helmet, you have to attach the frontpiece and insert using acorn nuts.

(https://i.postimg.cc/47wHvrP5/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-20-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/47wHvrP5)

Of course you could attach whatever way your frontpiece and badge tag using machine bolts that are a little too long.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0MCTPMC/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-21-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z0MCTPMC)

And did you know you could add these nifty little gizmos to your Bourke shields instead of the boring acorn nut?

(https://i.postimg.cc/8J3NV4zG/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-37-32.png) (https://postimg.cc/8J3NV4zG)

Brass cotter pins to fasten helmet frontpiece
(https://i.postimg.cc/zbGP7ZNX/Screenshot-2019-05-05-07-48-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zbGP7ZNX)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 04, 2019, 07:22:56 PM


(https://i.postimg.cc/4mRRbmKW/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-20-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4mRRbmKW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Vd9Q7mnm/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-20-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Vd9Q7mnm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yDVqtty9/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-25-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/yDVqtty9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w10Kp2wr/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-30-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w10Kp2wr)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 04, 2019, 07:27:20 PM

How about this lid collection?
(https://i.postimg.cc/CBp9C25z/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-34-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CBp9C25z)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on May 04, 2019, 09:40:47 PM
BE ON THE LOOKOUT... https://www.facebook.com/nycfirewire/photos/a.502505136493704/2137195653024636/?type=3&theater
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: ladder197 on May 05, 2019, 09:50:17 PM
^^^^ Last picture ...a Scott Bottle Flip ?

I think the helmet fashionistas call that a Harrisburg bend. Do any of you senior men know the history behind the Bronx bend? Bending helmets, and adding “flair” to the helmet has become more about fashion then functionality. I was teaching last week and noticed a recruit with a “job town” sticker on his helmet. Lol
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 69 METS on May 05, 2019, 10:03:37 PM
In case you didn't know about "fire helmet fashion" (I sure didn't), here is a chart to help you with your design!
(https://i.postimg.cc/3kNqZPHR/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-25-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/3kNqZPHR)


If this is a "Bronx Bend".....
(https://i.postimg.cc/188WFwpV/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-27-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/188WFwpV)

Then what is this??
(https://i.postimg.cc/4H3vgRPH/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-26-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4H3vgRPH)

Hopefully these helmets weren't actually on someone's head when they were getting crushed, incinerated and distorted... LOL
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 06, 2019, 07:37:28 AM
^^^^^^Garrett, I have to agree...I would say to me' self, how in tarnation did that Brother live through something that hellacious to distort or fry a helmet to such degree?...

As a fire instructor I was conducting a live burn in PA for couple of volunteer fire departments. I did a quick recon of the building inside before deploying the troops...I found a new chief  with his head positioned over a barrel of fire toasting his lid, melting his bourke eye shields... Because he had his eyes closed to the heat effect he did not see me standing there. I gave a "ahem...care to join the group"...the sheepish look I got from him during the training session was well worth the price.

Finally, a colleague commented on the "bottle flip, Harrisburg bend" helmet...called it the "Ducks A$$"...

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z9c57bjN/Screenshot-2019-05-06-07-40-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z9c57bjN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N5DYvJRh/Screenshot-2019-05-06-07-48-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N5DYvJRh)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 69 METS on May 06, 2019, 07:48:51 AM
LOL, in many cases the lid tells a lot about the wearer for sure ... and not in the way the wearer intended it to be told.

Keep the great stories coming brother, I've enjoyed each one.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 10, 2019, 04:41:45 PM
These metal pots were worn during the Washington DC "War Years", then they switched to yellow plastic MSA.

(https://i.postimg.cc/621JLKnx/Screenshot-2019-05-07-22-23-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/621JLKnx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQfGGY90/Screenshot-2019-05-10-16-45-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sQfGGY90)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Bob Dobalina on May 10, 2019, 05:06:55 PM
Judging by the front piece I would say this is from the Queens 326 and not going back to when the company was on Neptune Avenue in Brooklyn. Back then there were no company number inserts.

Anyone know when the Department switched to inserts?

1959
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on May 11, 2019, 12:51:13 AM
Did Privates wear white lids when they wore tin?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 11, 2019, 07:28:18 AM
The DCFD firefighter painted their helmets black for a period, officers white...then they did not paint their helmets at all...(back then the DCFD was known as FDDC)... rank was displayed on the front piece. Interesting to note, the DCFD employs the rank of Sergeant. The Sergeant "floats" and fills in when a Lieutenant or Captain is off. Otherwise he  is assigned to a truck company and is part of the forcible entry team. His helmet designation instead of a number or chevrons is a single Star in the middle. Look closely, you'll notice a couple of Sgts in the front row

(https://i.postimg.cc/QBWKjjtb/Screenshot-2019-05-08-07-44-16-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/QBWKjjtb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Rq9r1GcC/Screenshot-2019-05-08-07-40-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Rq9r1GcC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bScFJm5r/Screenshot-2019-05-16-15-22-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bScFJm5r)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mikeindabronx on May 11, 2019, 07:55:19 AM
In case you didn't know about "fire helmet fashion" (I sure didn't), here is a chart to help you with your design!
(https://i.postimg.cc/3kNqZPHR/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-25-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/3kNqZPHR)


If this is a "Bronx Bend".....
(https://i.postimg.cc/188WFwpV/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-27-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/188WFwpV)

Then what is this??
(https://i.postimg.cc/4H3vgRPH/Screenshot-2019-05-03-07-26-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4H3vgRPH)


"Da Bronx" bend photo was taken in "Da Bronx" & the member retired as a DC
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 8060rock on May 11, 2019, 08:07:00 PM
Looks like it might be Tom Neary
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mikeindabronx on May 11, 2019, 10:24:42 PM
Looks like it might be Tom Neary

Mike H
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 14, 2019, 07:38:34 AM
Firefighters in Barstow CA paid tribute to the Brothers who were murdered on 9/11 by building a memorial in the form of a large helmet.

(https://i.postimg.cc/VSGCDr3D/Screenshot-2019-05-13-22-10-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VSGCDr3D)


Pennsylvania National Museum displays 343 collected helmets remembering the 343 Brothers that died on 9/11

(https://i.postimg.cc/LhN8fFF3/Screenshot-2019-05-13-22-13-16-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/LhN8fFF3)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 14, 2019, 09:20:23 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/cgYdJSRr/Helmet.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cgYdJSRr)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 16, 2019, 02:40:52 PM
During the WW II "War Years" there were over 10 million volunteers for Civil Defense. Below is a vintage NYC Fire fighter CD helmet. Volunteers were trained in firefighting, decontmination and first aid.

(https://i.postimg.cc/RNq4xy4L/Screenshot-2019-05-16-14-29-50-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/RNq4xy4L)


Even the NYPD had volunters to keep an eye out on sabotage, especially tunnels and bridges. This NYPD CD helmet is from the 11th Pct.

(https://i.postimg.cc/NKwJk2J2/Screenshot-2019-05-16-14-29-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/NKwJk2J2)

Various assignment logos appeared on the CD lids.

(https://i.postimg.cc/nCqTrcFF/Screenshot-2019-05-15-18-20-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nCqTrcFF)


Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 16, 2019, 03:01:28 PM
Collection of fire helmets from Chicago area headed for the big quartermaster in the sky.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TLK2J3QF/Screenshot-2019-05-13-22-11-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/TLK2J3QF)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 16, 2019, 03:07:34 PM
DCFD Sergeants frontpiece with chevrons. Most Sgt's use the traditional single star. The DCFD uses a generic frontpiece, company identification is a decal stuck to the sides of the helmet. Members can design and use their own frontpiece either on the dept issued fire helmet, or  leather New Yorker helmet... there are many hodge-podge front piece designs.

(https://i.postimg.cc/9wqnpv6c/Screenshot-2019-05-14-11-26-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/9wqnpv6c)


Generic front piece.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6TPpHnv3/Screenshot-2019-05-16-15-17-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/6TPpHnv3)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 16, 2019, 03:16:13 PM
101 different personalized DCFD frontpieces, here are a few...
(https://i.postimg.cc/N5vKxRTc/Screenshot-2019-05-16-15-09-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N5vKxRTc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1894kPJ7/Screenshot-2019-05-16-15-10-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/1894kPJ7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JsPtmgFr/Screenshot-2019-05-16-15-11-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JsPtmgFr)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PPbPVNz8/Screenshot-2019-05-16-15-11-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PPbPVNz8)



(https://i.postimg.cc/DJH3cQM3/Screenshot-2019-05-16-15-19-20-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DJH3cQM3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PvDsVLgp/Screenshot-2019-05-16-15-21-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PvDsVLgp)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 16, 2019, 03:41:33 PM
Unusual "Cartoon" frontpieces...(I don't get it...)


(https://i.postimg.cc/sMW8FQgs/Screenshot-2019-05-13-22-16-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sMW8FQgs)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0rth714R/Screenshot-2019-05-13-22-22-06-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0rth714R)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 16, 2019, 05:30:46 PM
Providence Fire Department - Special Hazards 1 (heavy rescue)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/FfF29c1T/cairns-providence-special-hazards-1-092f3b5ca81f34370a02c4cacf03.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfF29c1T)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/6TzzXSCx/cairns-providence-special-hazards-1-092f3b5ca81f34370a02c4cacf03.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TzzXSCx)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/qN23khW6/cairns-providence-special-hazards-1-092f3b5ca81f34370a02c4cacf03.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qN23khW6)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 16, 2019, 05:36:14 PM
Boston Fire Department - Rescue 2

(https://i.postimg.cc/6TDqy6rr/BFD-5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TDqy6rr)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jWddGDTb/BFD-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWddGDTb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6286pFTb/BFD-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6286pFTb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JsQz6b9x/BFD-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JsQz6b9x)

Note - helmet also worn by member's father (43 years BFD - also R 2) - Helmet stolen from rig last January while R 2 operating in water at vehicle into river
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 16, 2019, 05:41:23 PM
Philadelphia Fire Department:

(https://i.postimg.cc/xkcqXX4P/cairns-philadelphia-fireman-helmet-1-61501543cd4cd35e059e14bbd50.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkcqXX4P)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PCcvzbZ7/pFD-5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCcvzbZ7)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 16, 2019, 05:51:54 PM
E 303

     (https://i.postimg.cc/QBJb6nbt/E-303.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QBJb6nbt)


E 317

     (https://i.postimg.cc/kBTM3xJg/Vintage-Fdny-Leather-Cairns-Fire-Helmet-With-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kBTM3xJg)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 16, 2019, 06:02:56 PM
E 230

     (https://i.postimg.cc/mhjrb3dH/408dce3612a622fb0d1edbeee6d59a37.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mhjrb3dH)


E 275

     (https://i.postimg.cc/62WpRzzn/images9-SWQVDVK.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62WpRzzn)


E 160

     (https://i.postimg.cc/QVVX3Fz8/s-l300.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVVX3Fz8)


E 13

     (https://i.postimg.cc/7bPNYk1Y/FDNY-NYFD-Engine-13-disbanded-company-leather-helmet.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7bPNYk1Y)


E 40

     (https://i.postimg.cc/BXk5gPrX/151599959058.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BXk5gPrX)


L 128

     (https://i.postimg.cc/YLjgNt86/59b28906c4b12fb864a37911dcff4368.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YLjgNt86)


32 Bn Aide

     (https://i.postimg.cc/KR6LLSTT/th.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KR6LLSTT)


E 16

     (https://i.postimg.cc/xNb8T8t4/pp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNb8T8t4)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 16, 2019, 06:04:14 PM
NYFP (P Brown's helmet)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qg1kfJRc/PBrown-FPHelmet.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qg1kfJRc)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 16, 2019, 06:08:29 PM
Jersey City

     (https://i.postimg.cc/vgQdjkwS/JCFD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgQdjkwS)


Detroit

     (https://i.postimg.cc/wtQCh2R5/Detroit.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wtQCh2R5)


St Louis

     (https://i.postimg.cc/s1XkhpjS/SLFD-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1XkhpjS)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/v4WkshhR/SLFD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v4WkshhR)


Chicago

     (https://i.postimg.cc/TKXNCm6t/CFD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKXNCm6t)


Arlington County

     (https://i.postimg.cc/p5FkBV1N/Arlington-C.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5FkBV1N)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 16, 2019, 07:58:00 PM
Lebby was discussing Newark FD in General Discussion, here is NFD frontpieces and lids...

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jyp93CsD/Screenshot-2019-05-16-19-03-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Jyp93CsD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8J393dBT/Screenshot-2019-05-16-19-04-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8J393dBT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dkDg4NCW/Screenshot-2019-05-16-19-06-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dkDg4NCW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7J2dyCm0/Screenshot-2019-05-16-19-07-06-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7J2dyCm0)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4n7rcMsy/Screenshot-2019-05-16-19-09-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4n7rcMsy)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: ladder197 on May 16, 2019, 08:39:54 PM
Cairns made a model of the 880 for Newark for a short time. Cairns N880
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on May 16, 2019, 08:57:56 PM
Love that DC Aide's front!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 17, 2019, 07:36:06 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/K182Cd9m/Screenshot-2019-05-14-11-18-47-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K182Cd9m)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BXMW5mJk/Screenshot-2019-05-14-11-24-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BXMW5mJk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p5vNC7hb/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-18-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/p5vNC7hb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PPts8gn1/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-22-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PPts8gn1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2bhR4m57/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-04-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2bhR4m57)

(https://i.postimg.cc/c67GCs2s/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-04-52-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/c67GCs2s)



(https://i.postimg.cc/jCfPJ14q/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-10-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jCfPJ14q)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on May 17, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990s-ICI-Emergency-Services-Firemans-Helmet-With-Face-Shield-Canada-Firebird/323809750521?hash=item4b6490adf9:g:7pQAAOSwdHlc3ysK
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 17, 2019, 07:05:25 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/94DYzrYP/images-W3-SZHVQP.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94DYzrYP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1fy0wWK3/vintage-nyfd-leather-fire-helmet-1-b0a3305c2da0aa6ab9effc96e8950.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fy0wWK3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ffk0NwhD/58847469-1-x.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ffk0NwhD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BXZY4Zkp/images-FWFGKOJS.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BXZY4Zkp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p5WZWkGr/vintage-cairns-brothers-nyfd-leather-fireman-helmet.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5WZWkGr)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nM22RbrD/img-a-Q8-L36-DJ13dt1-Mv-r.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nM22RbrD)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 17, 2019, 07:06:13 PM
^^^^^^^(reply 69)...say hey, who's the chick?....

(https://i.postimg.cc/LqDdjjvB/Screenshot-2019-05-17-19-03-20-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/LqDdjjvB)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 17, 2019, 07:10:33 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/zbKnTyVn/L-112-helmet.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zbKnTyVn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FYzC3xm3/L-112-helmet-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FYzC3xm3)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 17, 2019, 07:13:33 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/TKpkwWY4/E-88-frontpiece.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKpkwWY4)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 20, 2019, 07:32:14 AM
JK had a 18 comb FDNY helmet, here is a Cairns & Bros "Rare 19 Rib Cage comb" helmet. Never saw one like this before.

(https://i.postimg.cc/V0r9rBK6/Screenshot-2019-05-19-22-13-20-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/V0r9rBK6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9MJsr5c/Screenshot-2019-05-20-07-27-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Q9MJsr5c)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0c8K1QD/Screenshot-2019-05-20-09-37-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z0c8K1QD)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 20, 2019, 11:02:12 AM
Engine 152:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/sv1yzjxt/HELMET-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sv1yzjxt)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 21, 2019, 03:09:43 PM
Frontpieces honoring our Vets this Memorial Day...thoughts and prayers for those who sacrificed for our freedom. Freedom does not come free!
This one for JK and his Marine Corps Vets:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z04JfBgs/Screenshot-2019-05-18-07-48-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z04JfBgs)

This frontpiece in honor of Army...my son served with the "Big Red One" in Iraq, and awarded the "Combat Infantry Badge". Now a NYPD Police Officer.

(https://i.postimg.cc/PP1zd7K5/Screenshot-2019-03-05-07-18-11-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PP1zd7K5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/TKGj1cHq/Screenshot-2019-05-18-07-56-50-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/TKGj1cHq)

And Honoring our Air Force, Navy and all.

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDmWfs7r/Screenshot-2019-05-18-07-50-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kDmWfs7r)

(https://i.postimg.cc/T50d9ffP/Screenshot-2019-05-18-07-50-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/T50d9ffP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Th3yWVvm/Screenshot-2019-05-24-10-00-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Th3yWVvm)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on May 23, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
John O'Hagen COD 1964-1973 and then FC/COD 1973-1978 - wore helmet and later hardhat:

     Helmet - 1964:

          (https://i.postimg.cc/jnwH7Vs5/oh.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jnwH7Vs5)


     Hardhat w/white turnout coat - 1973 - One NY Plaza fire:

          (https://i.postimg.cc/5XHh2jdd/oh-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5XHh2jdd)


     Hardhat w/white turnout coat - 1970s:

          (https://i.postimg.cc/0r8hJVRC/img-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0r8hJVRC)


Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 24, 2019, 07:42:21 AM
Below is a lid design that could be considered part of a "summer uniform", perhaps a lid for tropic firefighters or even stylish for Amish firefighters...heck, maybe Willy could use one in his garden...check it out...

(https://i.postimg.cc/RJFQzJg2/Screenshot-2019-05-20-09-47-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/RJFQzJg2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DJ5dDPPq/Screenshot-2019-05-20-09-48-18-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DJ5dDPPq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ns41KJsS/Screenshot-2019-05-20-09-49-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ns41KJsS)

Highly Recommended!


(https://i.postimg.cc/hz7Q883D/Screenshot-2019-05-20-07-44-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hz7Q883D)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Mf7cN6Sg/Screenshot-2019-05-20-07-45-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Mf7cN6Sg)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on May 24, 2019, 08:50:21 AM
 "heck, maybe Willy could use one in his garden"  :)

 Dan, maybe not in the garden, BUT the "Buff Mobile" sure needs a good hosing down.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 24, 2019, 09:26:04 AM
Vintage San Fransisco lid with distinguished markings of a truck company firefighter. This color combo remained as a tradition.

(https://i.postimg.cc/nsB4gHwx/Screenshot-2019-05-13-22-19-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nsB4gHwx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qgMKXX04/Screenshot-2019-05-13-22-15-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/qgMKXX04)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7f5TjHfR/Screenshot-2019-05-13-22-16-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7f5TjHfR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZBCSJKX9/Screenshot-2019-05-24-10-02-18-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZBCSJKX9)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on May 26, 2019, 08:29:48 PM
An 1830 High Eagle ....   https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Fire-Department-Leather-Fire-Helmet-1830/312628899519?hash=item48ca226ebf:g:hnAAAOSw-Nhc5rW1
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 26, 2019, 09:32:35 PM
An 1830 High Eagle ....   https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Fire-Department-Leather-Fire-Helmet-1830/312628899519?hash=item48ca226ebf:g:hnAAAOSw-Nhc5rW1

Actually the finial is a Lion instead of the usual eagle. (If this is the helmet you are referring to above on e-bay)
(https://i.postimg.cc/75b6bx8y/Screenshot-2019-05-26-21-28-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/75b6bx8y)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on May 26, 2019, 09:38:10 PM
You are correct...i did not even notice that ...i was just surprised that he wanted to clean it & paint it a different color ?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 26, 2019, 09:42:44 PM
Here is another Lion finial...something Capt JB and E23 members could have on their lids...

(https://i.postimg.cc/zVCwpFVf/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-03-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zVCwpFVf)

And what R2 guy wouldn' t want a Bulldog...

(https://i.postimg.cc/PPTvfs5t/Screenshot-2019-05-20-07-41-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PPTvfs5t)

The Canal Street Dragon fighters could fight the dragons with a dragon finial...

(https://i.postimg.cc/2bdvTzSK/Screenshot-2019-05-20-07-43-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2bdvTzSK)

And the Phoenix would rise on top of Ladder 5's lid...

(https://i.postimg.cc/r0gsKzmM/Screenshot-2019-05-20-07-42-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/r0gsKzmM)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on May 27, 2019, 06:07:41 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cairns-Leather-FIREMAN-STOVEPIPE-HELMET-PAINTED-W-EAGLE-AMERICAN-FLAG/254244801037?hash=item3b322bca0d:g:xTwAAOSwfMlc6zms
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 28, 2019, 09:18:13 AM
Couple of BRONX BEND sightings!

(https://i.postimg.cc/CzDnwwLJ/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-02-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CzDnwwLJ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PCjpx0CH/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-40-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PCjpx0CH)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 28, 2019, 06:07:53 PM
Brooklyn FD ( Brklyn meant "Broken Land" in Dutch. Anyway, some Broken-land fire innuendos:


(https://i.postimg.cc/RNj3rV6C/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-05-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/RNj3rV6C)

This was a volunteer company in Manhattan...Civil War Era
(https://i.postimg.cc/xXMX9DMv/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-56-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xXMX9DMv)

Look closely, "BROOKLYN" on top panel
(https://i.postimg.cc/gwpnJSHf/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-59-47-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gwpnJSHf)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 28, 2019, 06:24:10 PM
Who wants to guess?



(https://i.postimg.cc/68B1VRwF/Screenshot-2019-05-28-18-40-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/68B1VRwF)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: grumpy grizzly on May 28, 2019, 06:33:08 PM
Water Tower?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 28, 2019, 06:34:15 PM
Time for a break in this thread and some tasty morsels for Mr. Willy, sorry that they may not be hamburger flavored...


(https://i.postimg.cc/G9YYc5Yx/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-39-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G9YYc5Yx)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 28, 2019, 06:38:26 PM
Water Tower?

Yes, you are correct!...that did not take long! Served midtown Manhattan,  Organized in 1891, disbanded 1957.
(https://i.postimg.cc/68B1VRwF/Screenshot-2019-05-28-18-40-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/68B1VRwF)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on May 28, 2019, 09:11:15 PM
Time for a break in this thread and some tasty morsels for Mr. Willy, sorry that they may not be hamburger flavored...


(https://i.postimg.cc/G9YYc5Yx/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-39-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G9YYc5Yx)

 Dan, aka JohnnyGage, I know just the place that might be able to make up those tasty morsel Vintage Lids.

 I was just recently introduced to the place by a good friend to many of us here. A retired FDNY Lt by the name of Kenny B. Turns out the place isn't too far from me and Lt Kenny B is good friends with the owner. 

 I'm sure maybe the next time some of the members get together, I can put in for a few dozen.

 The place is called: "A Cup Cake For Later". Even a few of the Brothers stopped by as seen around the 1:42 mark in the video.

 www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko-jBaBvGRc 
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 31, 2019, 07:34:06 AM
Vintage helmet with a ladder in front of frontpiece, very unusual.

(https://i.postimg.cc/PPmnkjgD/Screenshot-2019-05-26-21-00-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PPmnkjgD)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on May 31, 2019, 07:38:16 AM
Couple of vintage helmets

(https://i.postimg.cc/PN1v0L5Q/Screenshot-2019-05-20-07-40-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PN1v0L5Q)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sGPBWLNN/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-04-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sGPBWLNN)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 03, 2019, 07:59:26 AM
Vintage Eagle styled helmet...missing some parts

(https://i.postimg.cc/bGWXXhJ5/Screenshot-2019-06-01-09-45-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bGWXXhJ5)

Original 8 comb leather helmet, called "New Yorker" and adopted by FDNY


(https://i.postimg.cc/NK8VJXq5/Screenshot-2019-06-01-17-57-35-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/NK8VJXq5)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 04, 2019, 09:44:30 AM
Here are a few more San Francisco lids and an interesting front piece.

(https://i.postimg.cc/CdfCZvtg/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-31-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CdfCZvtg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0bRY7YRJ/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-38-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0bRY7YRJ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/56BwgXbK/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-41-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/56BwgXbK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YvtQstSr/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-42-56-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/YvtQstSr)


(https://i.postimg.cc/sGVZ0cVn/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-32-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sGVZ0cVn)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 04, 2019, 09:57:55 AM
And what Man Cave would be without a nine piece canvas helmet mural wall hanging and a couple of lid lamps!

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZCDzn5yn/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-20-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZCDzn5yn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BLWq6QkH/Screenshot-2019-05-24-10-03-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BLWq6QkH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dk8JTccX/Screenshot-2019-05-24-10-04-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dk8JTccX)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 04, 2019, 11:52:45 AM
Fire helmets go to the NFL:

(https://i.postimg.cc/w12HqY2T/Jets-Fireman-Ed.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w12HqY2T)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GTvw6W9R/G72-XPHQN3-JFZTO5-H32-MXSUCI5-I.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GTvw6W9R)

(https://i.postimg.cc/F1y65gDh/GB.png) (https://postimg.cc/F1y65gDh)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mPvqWXf2/Browns.png) (https://postimg.cc/mPvqWXf2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QVfydxGz/BR.png) (https://postimg.cc/QVfydxGz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/34Kt3zL7/images-QLXJZ0-WD.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/34Kt3zL7)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 05, 2019, 09:40:48 PM
DISBANDED ENG*56 FRONT.....   https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-YORK-FIRE-FDNY-DISBANDED-ENGINE-56-FIREMAN-FIREFIGHTER-FRONT/273877654159?hash=item3fc4615a8f:g:IFYAAOSwT8Zc9-A7
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 05, 2019, 10:09:10 PM
Thanks JK...Apparently E 56 was disbanded then E 74 moved into their old quarters. Dr. Archer was assigned to E 56 and responded for medical requests.... Maybe more to this story?

(https://i.postimg.cc/Q97wk5f4/Screenshot-2019-06-05-21-47-12-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Q97wk5f4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZBm2HnXJ/Screenshot-2019-06-05-21-52-09.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZBm2HnXJ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 06, 2019, 12:14:41 AM
^^^^ There was a "smoke & mirrors" issue with this FH...after ENG*56 was disbanded SQ*6 was quartered  in the FH.....when SQ*6 was disbanded ENG*74 was moved from being quartered with LAD*25 & remained there so the Community would not feel they lost a Unit ..."however they did"....to this day one less Unit in the area.... this was more "modern day" events ....Dr. Archer with the Ambulance started there around 1946 i believe.   
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 10, 2019, 07:41:51 AM
Chicago Fire Dept Vintage Helmets:

(https://i.postimg.cc/SJzStJ0n/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-03-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SJzStJ0n)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gxFz9mdN/Screenshot-2019-05-18-07-59-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxFz9mdN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z9JJRHWN/Screenshot-2019-05-18-07-59-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z9JJRHWN)


Newer lids:



(https://i.postimg.cc/VdwG2VpX/Screenshot-2019-05-18-07-59-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VdwG2VpX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/T5J9RTFg/Screenshot-2019-05-18-07-59-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/T5J9RTFg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/v4HPZ6QB/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-01-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/v4HPZ6QB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4m1LG1Rq/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-01-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4m1LG1Rq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1VQBh8Cy/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-02-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/1VQBh8Cy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jwNcFHh8/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-02-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jwNcFHh8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WDxS8W0F/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-03-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/WDxS8W0F)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9D8LRFMB/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-58-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/9D8LRFMB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/LqJNzKgF/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-59-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/LqJNzKgF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7b3X1Nhh/Screenshot-2019-05-26-21-01-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7b3X1Nhh)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gLqL5HtK/Screenshot-2019-06-10-15-05-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gLqL5HtK)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 10, 2019, 07:43:32 AM
Yonkers lid, largest career FD in Westchester County, NY

(https://i.postimg.cc/Nyxm9dpv/Screenshot-2019-06-08-20-55-11-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Nyxm9dpv)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 10, 2019, 07:48:45 AM
Couple of Vintage Jersey lids:


(https://i.postimg.cc/NKDRLNNq/Screenshot-2019-06-01-09-45-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/NKDRLNNq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rdpx4Sbd/Screenshot-2019-06-08-21-42-34-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rdpx4Sbd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8FtK8L9N/Screenshot-2019-06-10-21-59-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8FtK8L9N)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N9FNQ5vT/Screenshot-2019-06-10-21-59-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N9FNQ5vT)



(https://i.postimg.cc/68TL7FmJ/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-39-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/68TL7FmJ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 11, 2019, 07:32:37 AM
Rare helmet finials:

SERPENT

(https://i.postimg.cc/06KhGsvR/Screenshot-2019-06-10-15-11-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/06KhGsvR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VrypDVsS/Screenshot-2019-06-10-15-12-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VrypDVsS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7GgccnbK/Screenshot-2019-06-10-15-12-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7GgccnbK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bd0rHXYt/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-05-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bd0rHXYt)


FOX

(https://i.postimg.cc/BXLZ6t74/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-05-46.png) (https://postimg.cc/BXLZ6t74)

GREYHOUND

(https://i.postimg.cc/fVCPQf7L/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-05-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/fVCPQf7L)


BEAVER

(https://i.postimg.cc/CzhhGmKM/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-04-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CzhhGmKM)


SEA HORSE

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yv5XQDxh/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-04-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Yv5XQDxh)


LION

(https://i.postimg.cc/Nyv4K9gX/Screenshot-2019-05-18-08-03-41-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/Nyv4K9gX)


TWO FINIALS IN ONE; FIREMAN AND BUGLE FINIAL...WITH FIREMAN WEARING EAGLE FINIAL!  (Note unusual frontpiece fron Niagra NY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9RhCgpcf/Screenshot-2019-06-01-18-01-01-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/9RhCgpcf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0M0xTwN0/Screenshot-2019-06-10-15-09-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0M0xTwN0)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on June 11, 2019, 09:18:48 AM
 Thank You "JohnnyGage" for these dozens of photos of Vintage Lids. They bring us back to years gone by. Wore by firefighters who also battled the flames and smoke.

 Throughout the years, they too, risked their lives in order to save others. Maybe the helmets were different. Maybe the uniforms were different, the gear worn, the types of fire trucks from horse drawn to motor driven. But they did the job too, from volunteer to city paid.

 These fire helmets tell a story of a time gone by. In some cases a time before most of us were around. For others, a time when the number of fires burned blocks of neighborhoods down.

 Below is just one of the photos taken from this topic. It is one example that tells of a different time. A time gone by when all hope was lost in neighborhoods that just disappeared. This helmet can NOT talk, but it can tell all of us a story of what it might have been like to be a firefighter in those days gone by.

 Thanks Dan, aka "JohnnyGage", for all the effort you have put into telling this story to us.

 https://postimg.cc/nXPy12C4 
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 11, 2019, 02:52:21 PM
^^^^^^Thanks Willy, every helmet is a fireman's resume! One look tells a story....I posted the helmet image you mention above. I had to add Unk Jacks R3 lid. The Capt of  L 31 told him he needed another helmet when he transferred in. Notice on Jacks helmets rear brim is cut...he did that cutting a roof when his helmet fell off and he couldn't see due to heavy smoke while operating the partner saw.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cr45LKsC/Screenshot-2019-06-11-14-43-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/cr45LKsC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDjvwTmM/20190502-135707-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kDjvwTmM)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 12, 2019, 10:45:42 AM
Babe Ruth - FDNY helmet:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/PLW0NsvQ/Babe-Ruth-FDNY-Lid.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLW0NsvQ)

Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 12, 2019, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from a Florida FDNY retiree site:

    “If my helmet could talk, it would cough."
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: CVILLE 7111 on June 12, 2019, 11:52:03 AM
I recall a blurb (in WNYF?) regarding helmet being field tested by a truck in the Bronx.  Does anyone recall and/or have any info on that?  It was back during the War Years.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 12, 2019, 02:25:20 PM
i thought that was Willy D in the photo shown in reply # 108 above ?.....funny that this came up now as Monday i was with Willy in Bayside (yes he was having a burger) & on the wall was the original picture this clip was from showing Babe Ruth standing next to a Cop (or another player with a Cop's Hat & Jacket on) taken on the field in a Baseball Stadium.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 12, 2019, 02:35:48 PM
I recall a blurb (in WNYF?) regarding helmet being field tested by a truck in the Bronx.  Does anyone recall and/or have any info on that?  It was back during the War Years.
Yes those were the "Darth Vader" Helmets i know LAD*19 had them as well as some other Units...during the early 1976 Atlantic Ave Supermarket Fire some of the Members of R*2 lost their Helmets in the Rescue of several FFs as well as the recovery of FF Charlie Sanchez LAD*131 RIP...the Job had collected these Helmets back from the Units testing them & gave one to each R*2 FF while they were having new Helmets made...the consensus was NG...they had no brim so hot water ran right down & worse the suspension had an opening all around (sort of like a football helmet) & this allowed heat to build up inside the Helmet....after the R*2 guys got new Helmets the Job did not even collect the "Darth Vaders" back..they were sitting on the gear rack when i got to R*2 in 1977 & remained laying around for quite awhile collecting dust .....FF Charlie Sanchez was the first FF from my proby class to become a LODD...he was a US Marine & Squad Leader in the proby class.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 12, 2019, 03:08:59 PM
i thought that was Willy D in the photo shown in reply # 108 above ?.....funny that this came up now as Monday i was with Willy in Bayside (yes he was having a burger) & on the wall was the original picture this clip was from showing Babe Ruth standing next to a Cop (or another player with a Cop's Hat & Jacket on) taken on the field in a Baseball Stadium.

Chief - Babe Ruth in fire gear was standing next to Lou Gehrig in a cop uniform - I believe it was at a NYPD-FDNY game at Yankee Stadium, about 1930.

     (https://i.postimg.cc/PLTj3Z3z/s-l1000.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLTj3Z3z)

And Babe does look like Willy D.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 12, 2019, 04:52:36 PM
This picture has been on the wall with other sports memorabilia ....i always thought it might be Yankee Stadium since the Babe had an ENG*68 Helemt on...i never realized it was Lou Gehrig next to him.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 12, 2019, 05:58:11 PM
I recall a blurb (in WNYF?) regarding helmet being field tested by a truck in the Bronx.  Does anyone recall and/or have any info on that?  It was back during the War Years.
Yes those were the "Darth Vader" Helmets i know LAD*19 had them as well as some other Units...during the early 1976 Atlantic Ave Supermarket Fire some of the Members of R*2 lost their Helmets in the Rescue of several FFs as well as the recovery of FF Charlie Sanchez LAD*131 RIP...the Job had collected these Helmets back from the Units testing them & gave one to each R*2 FF while they were having new Helmets made...the consensus was NG...they had no brim so hot water ran right down & worse the suspension had an opening all around (sort of like a football helmet) & this allowed heat to build up inside the Helmet....after the R*2 guys got new Helmets the Job did not even collect the "Darth Vaders" back..they were sitting on the gear rack when i got to R*2 in 1977 & remained laying around for quite awhile collecting dust .....FF Charlie Sanchez was the first FF from my proby class to become a LODD...he was a US Marine & Squad Leader in the proby class.

WNYF 1975 1st Issue:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/sMGDh0sN/L-19-helmet.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sMGDh0sN)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 12, 2019, 06:09:23 PM
...during the early 1976 Atlantic Ave Supermarket Fire some of the Members of R*2 lost their Helmets in the Rescue of several FFs as well as the recovery of FF Charlie Sanchez LAD*131 RIP .....FF Charlie Sanchez was the first FF from my proby class to become a LODD...he was a US Marine & Squad Leader in the proby class.



     FF Charles Sanchez, Ladder 131, Brooklyn box 55-532, Atlantic Avenue and Court Street, floor collapse, trapped in basement, January 7, 1976

          (http://s11.postimg.cc/cpee3ufun/L_131_LODD_sanchez.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/cpee3ufun/)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 12, 2019, 06:45:32 PM
1966 Fahrenheit 451

(https://i.postimg.cc/Dm09YkzC/Screenshot-2019-06-12-15-09-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Dm09YkzC)


1975 Ladder 19

(https://i.postimg.cc/tnGFPGvX/Screenshot-2019-06-12-18-40-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tnGFPGvX)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 12, 2019, 07:42:15 PM
Yes those were the helmets...i never actually saw the NASA Masks designed to go with the Helmets but the masks whether good or not were not adopted (at least in the original form) .....the helmets alone were sent to R*2 after the supermarket incident but no new masks.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: CFDMarshal on June 12, 2019, 07:49:28 PM
Cairns 660 or 770. One was called the Phoenix and one was the Philadelphia.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on June 12, 2019, 08:56:34 PM
I recall a blurb (in WNYF?) regarding helmet being field tested by a truck in the Bronx.  Does anyone recall and/or have any info on that?  It was back during the War Years.
Yes those were the "Darth Vader" Helmets i know LAD*19 had them as well as some other Units...during the early 1976 Atlantic Ave Supermarket Fire some of the Members of R*2 lost their Helmets in the Rescue of several FFs as well as the recovery of FF Charlie Sanchez LAD*131 RIP...the Job had collected these Helmets back from the Units testing them & gave one to each R*2 FF while they were having new Helmets made...the consensus was NG...they had no brim so hot water ran right down & worse the suspension had an opening all around (sort of like a football helmet) & this allowed heat to build up inside the Helmet....after the R*2 guys got new Helmets the Job did not even collect the "Darth Vaders" back..they were sitting on the gear rack when i got to R*2 in 1977 & remained laying around for quite awhile collecting dust .....FF Charlie Sanchez was the first FF from my proby class to become a LODD...he was a US Marine & Squad Leader in the proby class.

WNYF 1975 1st Issue:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/sMGDh0sN/L-19-helmet.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sMGDh0sN)

Cairns 660 or 770. One was called the Phoenix and one was the Philadelphia.

 Yes Rev, aka CFDMarshall, that was the name of those helmets. As the name indicates, I think the Philadelphia FD used them for many years. Maybe one of the Philly guys can confirm that with us.

 I can relate to those helmets too. The entire dept of about 60 members were given the Cairns 660 metros (I believe they were called) along with the MSA Air Packs (?) to go with them. After about one year of use, the members pushed to get rid of them. And bear in mind, we were no FDNY or Philadelphia.

 Unlike the leather helmets there was no brim for water to run off. Or where a piece of truck tire tube could be used to hold a small light. These 660s required a special light and a plastic holder to be attached to the helmet. You can probably guess how well that piece of specially designed plastic held up on the fire ground.

 Through the efforts of the local IAFF officials we were able to arrange a deal to replace those Metros (?) 660.

 During the year of using those 660s, some members wore T-shirts with a picture of a "leather helmet" on it that said: "LEATHER FOREVER".

 
i thought that was Willy D in the photo shown in reply # 108 above ?.....funny that this came up now as Monday i was with Willy in Bayside (yes he was having a burger) & on the wall was the original picture this clip was from showing Babe Ruth standing next to a Cop (or another player with a Cop's Hat & Jacket on) taken on the field in a Baseball Stadium.

 Yes, I caught up with Chief JK, aka "68jk09", the other day in Bayside on a return trip from lower Manhattan I had made. Chief JK had pointed that Babe Ruth photo out to me which was displayed on the wall.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 12, 2019, 09:58:16 PM
San Francisco tested these clunkers...

(https://i.postimg.cc/9R08mnLm/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-21-20-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/9R08mnLm)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: jbendick on June 12, 2019, 10:22:12 PM
  That's the Babe wearing an Eng. 68 helmet. Eng. 68 and Lad, 49 are 1st due at the stadium.'     
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 13, 2019, 12:52:12 PM
Babe Ruth - FDNY helmet:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/PLW0NsvQ/Babe-Ruth-FDNY-Lid.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLW0NsvQ)

Babe Ruth with Chicago fire helmet and turnout coat - old White Sox Comiskey Park - 1928:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/873PHjSw/60866136d3f4999113c643074224e3a6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/873PHjSw)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 13, 2019, 12:58:34 PM
FDNY helmets worn backwards:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/23FQKf3n/Eng212-15-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23FQKf3n)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/ygCRLfHf/ed90f90f98bd0f7b90a1d8b783fe3b54-fire-dept-fire-department.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ygCRLfHf)


LA:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/BjNw9K6c/LA.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjNw9K6c)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 14, 2019, 07:43:48 AM
The brim would deflect heat when wearing your helmet backwards. Also a tillerman would wear his helmet backwards so that the brim protected his face from rain and snow... I don't think I saw anyone do that during my time otj, and I certainly did not. With the helmet formed and designed to fit the shape of your head, I imagine it would be very uncomfortable. I did see guys wear their lid incorrectly with the helmet tilted upward on the back of their head.

Then again maybe there are those who don't know the correct way of wearing a lid:

(https://i.postimg.cc/sG57SNPR/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-16-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sG57SNPR)


How 'bout a rare "derby" styled helmet for the dashing fireman, double brim...

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0qR1RWz/Screenshot-2019-06-10-21-58-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z0qR1RWz)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on June 14, 2019, 06:36:36 PM
The second photo in reply 124 looks as if were taken at the Mill Basin (Brooklyn) oil tank farm fire back in 1962. Any other thoughts on it?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 14, 2019, 06:43:47 PM
The second photo in reply 124 looks as if were taken at the Mill Basin (Brooklyn) oil tank farm fire back in 1962. Any other thoughts on it?
Good possibility.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 14, 2019, 06:59:31 PM
Yonkers lid, largest career FD in Westchester County, NY

(https://i.postimg.cc/Nyxm9dpv/Screenshot-2019-06-08-20-55-11-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Nyxm9dpv)
"Largest career FD in Westchester County" .....maybe not the largest front (widthwise) but probably the highest Front. 
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 17, 2019, 07:33:00 AM
In order to get this frontpiece...

(https://i.postimg.cc/0bFLm66R/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-30-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0bFLm66R)

......some of us started here.

(https://i.postimg.cc/rRt9Lpqx/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-32-20-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rRt9Lpqx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hzY0wmRK/Screenshot-2019-06-08-20-57-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hzY0wmRK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gwNsV5MX/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-29-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gwNsV5MX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CB5NmNtv/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-29-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CB5NmNtv)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 17, 2019, 07:39:30 AM
Then the next step...

(https://i.postimg.cc/njV3DZpQ/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-11-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/njV3DZpQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/LngNfxKv/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-12-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/LngNfxKv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cgDX7jLk/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-13-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/cgDX7jLk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DmMx8tD8/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-14-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DmMx8tD8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/K1nfp4YM/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-15-54-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K1nfp4YM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XrMxg9nW/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-20-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XrMxg9nW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2LVT0wqk/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-29-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2LVT0wqk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4nd84JWD/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-31-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4nd84JWD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/67t0kw71/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-33-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/67t0kw71)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4KP5ZMV4/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-34-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4KP5ZMV4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k65y5cvQ/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-38-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/k65y5cvQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dDr9VL8S/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-28-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dDr9VL8S)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4YsGS75C/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-17-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4YsGS75C)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 17, 2019, 07:45:16 AM
Finally... Graduation day!....

(https://i.postimg.cc/XGhDSm6G/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-14-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XGhDSm6G)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SYM1ydmZ/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-17-50-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SYM1ydmZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZCqFFjGX/Screenshot-2019-05-17-09-30-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZCqFFjGX)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 18, 2019, 10:45:55 AM
Another lid with very high frontpiece.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hzVLJWLW/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-50-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hzVLJWLW)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 18, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
Lid tattoos:
(https://i.postimg.cc/CzbxWMFV/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-27-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CzbxWMFV)

(https://i.postimg.cc/5YHxpbPT/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-27-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5YHxpbPT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R3ZC6cwM/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-27-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/R3ZC6cwM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R3pScNTw/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-29-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/R3pScNTw)

(https://i.postimg.cc/62DBmgg3/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-30-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/62DBmgg3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dhBtVWkH/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-31-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dhBtVWkH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VJ1k1y60/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-34-08-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VJ1k1y60)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xNmYL5sz/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-48-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xNmYL5sz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HVQdxS8G/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-49-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/HVQdxS8G)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BXWJJW6c/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-49-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BXWJJW6c)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9zwW3XWQ/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-52-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/9zwW3XWQ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 18, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
Is he: Making a call?... Taking a breather?...Holding his retirement party in a phone booth?

(https://i.postimg.cc/3yP3Nz1T/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-06-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/3yP3Nz1T)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on June 18, 2019, 11:04:14 AM
Is he: Making a call?... Taking a breather?...Holding his retirement party in a phone booth?

(https://i.postimg.cc/3yP3Nz1T/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-06-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/3yP3Nz1T)
Calling the pension unit.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: raybrag on June 18, 2019, 04:56:51 PM
Nah.  That's Willy and his early (but ultimately unsuccessful) invention, the Big Mac dispenser.  8) :o ::)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 18, 2019, 07:32:37 PM
Philly lids:


(https://i.postimg.cc/zVhjTbTW/Screenshot-2019-06-01-10-52-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zVhjTbTW)


(https://i.postimg.cc/5HKvhbwb/Screenshot-2019-06-01-10-56-11-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5HKvhbwb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vgpnmhqK/Screenshot-2019-06-01-10-56-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/vgpnmhqK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ctwnt3PL/Screenshot-2019-06-01-10-58-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ctwnt3PL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bGwkVsSm/Screenshot-2019-06-01-10-59-04-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bGwkVsSm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dk7dvpBd/Screenshot-2019-06-01-11-03-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dk7dvpBd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QFbcqpCB/Screenshot-2019-06-01-18-18-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/QFbcqpCB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/kBP83jt6/Screenshot-2019-06-01-10-58-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kBP83jt6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gnyhYvvM/Screenshot-2019-06-01-11-00-49-1.png[/i

[url=https://postimg.cc/yJGgfnHN][img]https://i.postimg.cc/yJGgfnHN/Screenshot-2019-06-01-10-57-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gnyhYvvM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yJGgfnHN/Screenshot-2019-06-01-10-57-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/yJGgfnHN)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 20, 2019, 07:00:51 PM
Pre Vintage fire helmets

“Stovepipe” hat was developed before the fire helmet just after the Revolutionary War. Back then, firefighters did not usually enter buildings on fire and so a helmet was unnecessary. The stove pipe fire hat was designed and hand painted to identify members from particular fire companies at fire scenes. Made of pressed felt the hats were used in Washington, Baltimore and Philadelphia.

Back then, firemen did not enter burning buildings, what was important was to pump water to the fire and remove valuables from a homeowners home before they were destroyed. Of all the valuables, the bed was the most important and had to be disassembled using a “bed key” that all firefighters carried with themselves. The bed would be disassembled and carried out from harm's way.

(https://i.postimg.cc/S2jkNR2V/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-51-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/S2jkNR2V)

(https://i.postimg.cc/680XrnCY/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-52-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/680XrnCY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/5X1JQnQX/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-53-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5X1JQnQX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9PsBDcD/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-53-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Q9PsBDcD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/t14H2J5y/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-53-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/t14H2J5y)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tnxbWczx/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-53-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tnxbWczx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yWgsMJz8/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/yWgsMJz8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CzbYKW5y/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-08-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CzbYKW5y)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jCpttssQ/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jCpttssQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tnW0YxXd/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tnW0YxXd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R63xxYyD/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/R63xxYyD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KKphVbqT/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-55-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/KKphVbqT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SjMbZwWX/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-55-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SjMbZwWX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xJWDfRST/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-01-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xJWDfRST)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 20, 2019, 07:09:11 PM
REFERENCE TO ABOVE:      Fireman's Bed Wrench or Key

Two important “tools” utilized by early American firemen were the bed key and salvage bags. Since fire apparatus could only supply small amounts of water, fire gained headway and was soon out of control.

The priority for arriving firemen was to remove valuables while bucket brigades and small engine hoselines would protect surrounding buildings.

The bed key was a small forged metal tool that allowed men to quickly disassemble the wooden frame of a bed, quite often the most valuable item owned by a family and remove it to safety. The forged cast iron wrench was designed to fit or slide over multiple size bolt heads. The salvage bag was used to toss any valuable into and safely remove from damage or loss.

(https://i.postimg.cc/PN9YH8p3/Screenshot-2019-06-20-18-32-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PN9YH8p3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLfNSdys/Screenshot-2019-06-20-18-33-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jLfNSdys)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: raybrag on June 21, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
I learn something new almost every day on this site.  I had never heard of a "bed key" before.  Thanks, Dan.  Learning about some of the FDNY's volunteer predecessors is fascinating.  It was not at all uncommon for rival companies to get into fights with one another over "whose fire" they were at . . . while no one tried to put the fire out. Can you imagine a commotion when E73 gets to one of E82's first due boxes ahead of 82 . . . and a fight breaks out over whose fire it is?  Of course it would be a pretty small brawl compared to those of the 1840's or 1850's . . . since we're in the days of the 4 man engine company.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Disp51 on June 21, 2019, 10:47:43 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/vg3283S5/Thatch-hooks.png) (https://postimg.cc/vg3283S5)


Since many houses had thatch roofs, prone to burning from sparks from an adjunct building, thatch hooks were used to pull the roof off. Sometimes these were attached to a rope which was thrown up onto the roof, hopefully embedding in the thatch, and then pulled down.

(https://i.postimg.cc/pmRGwmZw/thatch-hooks2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmRGwmZw)

[(https://i.postimg.cc/mtwNF8Yn/thatch-hooks3.png) (https://postimg.cc/mtwNF8Yn)

And these to be used from a ladder, possibly the forerunner of today's "hooks".






Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 21, 2019, 12:44:04 PM
Pre Vintage fire helmets

“Stovepipe” hat was developed before the fire helmet just after the Revolutionary War. Back then, firefighters did not usually enter buildings on fire and so a helmet was unnecessary. The stove pipe fire hat was designed and hand painted to identify members from particular fire companies at fire scenes. Made of pressed felt the hats were used in Washington, Baltimore and Philadelphia.

Back then, firemen did not enter burning buildings, what was important was to pump water to the fire and remove valuables from a homeowners home before they were destroyed. Of all the valuables, the bed was the most important and had to be disassembled using a “bed key” that all firefighters carried with themselves. The bed would be disassembled and carried out from harm's way.

(https://i.postimg.cc/S2jkNR2V/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-51-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/S2jkNR2V)

(https://i.postimg.cc/680XrnCY/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-52-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/680XrnCY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/5X1JQnQX/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-53-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5X1JQnQX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Q9PsBDcD/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-53-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Q9PsBDcD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/t14H2J5y/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-53-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/t14H2J5y)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tnxbWczx/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-53-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tnxbWczx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yWgsMJz8/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/yWgsMJz8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CzbYKW5y/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-08-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CzbYKW5y)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jCpttssQ/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jCpttssQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tnW0YxXd/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tnW0YxXd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R63xxYyD/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-54-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/R63xxYyD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KKphVbqT/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-55-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/KKphVbqT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SjMbZwWX/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-55-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SjMbZwWX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xJWDfRST/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-01-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xJWDfRST)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gr4dgthp/cape.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gr4dgthp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MMq2D1KX/945aede859038c1fecc27d3975c28abc-sprinkler-firefighting.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MMq2D1KX)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 21, 2019, 02:58:19 PM
THE LID AS WE KNOW IT

The eight comb rigid leather helmet as we know it has virtually remained unchanged...retains the same look and quality that generations after generations of firefighters have relied upon. The iconic design was inspired by jockeys who wore their hats backwards.

Leather helmets are made of Western cowhide,  ¼” thick. The design is credited to a NYC Volunteer firefighter Henry Gratacap, circa 1830’s, who by trade was a leather luggage maker (some other articles say a “hat maker”). His innovative luggage was designed specifically for ocean transit, so the leather was specially treated which withstood wetness without rotting and proved very durable. It was named the “New Yorker” in the late 1800’s.

(https://i.postimg.cc/kVYy2YVm/Screenshot-2019-06-18-16-01-18-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kVYy2YVm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GHPJFmBz/Screenshot-2019-06-20-18-22-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/GHPJFmBz)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 21, 2019, 03:53:04 PM
THE FRONTPIECE

Two brothers named Cairns were operating a metal badge button and insignia business in NYC. The Brothers are credited with the idea of mounting an identification badge to the front of Gratacap’s helmets. Today they are known as a frontpiece.

Jasper and Henry Cairns purchased Gratacap’s business in 1868 and renamed their business, Cairn’s and Brother. The large frontpiece held on by an eagle was designed to break windows. The eagle had no real significant meaning, in 1825 an unknown sculptor created a commemorative figure for a volunteer firefighters grave incorporating an eagle, and eagles have become associated with fire helmets ever since.  In Canada, leather helmet frontpieces were held on by a beaver in place of the eagle.

Originally pictures were painted on the frontpiece, then the fire company name started to appear. Later the frontpiece would be designed to articulate a fire officers rank, thus the bugle became the universal sign for an officer of an engine company and the ax the sign of a truck boss.

The brothers also modified the low crown shaped frontpiece in 1930 and lowered the frontpieces two inches as the eagle beak would be caught on telephone lines, get dented, bent and knocked off. Early on, some chatter about how much safer it would be to do without the eagle, but the idea did not go far with firefighters.

(https://i.postimg.cc/cgb8W6D7/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-10-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/cgb8W6D7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mtMFxL7M/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-31-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/mtMFxL7M)

(https://i.postimg.cc/87mJ5ZKz/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-27-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/87mJ5ZKz)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 21, 2019, 06:12:51 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=PATENT+FOR+A+FIRE+HELMET&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=6sf9BkWeMINj3M%253A%252Cf5HsWO-muHvFFM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRo7_5TrZRgLtSaeSJrXwNHEHH9SA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwir3KHVyPviAhWD1FkKHQMfB3AQ9QEwAnoECAkQBA#imgrc=FDF2vaYvxNkBeM:&vet=1
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 21, 2019, 06:15:27 PM
^^^^^^^  just in case you did scroll all the way thru do not miss this one....nice touch with the Sight hanging down..     http://www.weirduniverse.net/blog/comments/albert_bacon_pratts_helmet_gun/
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: fdhistorian on June 21, 2019, 10:02:31 PM
I learn something new almost every day on this site.  I had never heard of a "bed key" before.  Thanks, Dan.  Learning about some of the FDNY's volunteer predecessors is fascinating.  It was not at all uncommon for rival companies to get into fights with one another over "whose fire" they were at . . . while no one tried to put the fire out. Can you imagine a commotion when E73 gets to one of E82's first due boxes ahead of 82 . . . and a fight breaks out over whose fire it is?  Of course it would be a pretty small brawl compared to those of the 1840's or 1850's . . . since we're in the days of the 4 man engine company.
That's what the 'plug uglies' were for.

New Yorkers Have Been Illicitly Cracking Open Fire Hydrants For Centuries, by Dan Nosowitz / 30 Jul 2015, says in passing: Water mains, which were only accessible by the rich, ran in limited numbers underneath the city, made mostly of hollowed-out logs. If a fire department needed water, they’d drill a hole in the pipe, take what they needed, and then leave a cylindrical wooden “fireplug” in the hole they’d just made. (Most cities, including New York, had competing fire departments in the 1700s. Whoever actually put out the fire would get paid, so the departments would have their biggest, toughest guys guard their plugs to stop other companies from tapping their holes. That’s where the term “plug uglies” comes from.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 22, 2019, 07:35:54 AM
^^^^^In reply of JK #146; The shooting helmet
(https://i.postimg.cc/yg0KnmJf/Screenshot-2019-06-22-07-29-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/yg0KnmJf)

Now imagine all the other rescues JK could have made if he had a "Sprinkler Helmet!"
(https://i.postimg.cc/gx5rTKJd/Screenshot-2019-06-18-13-33-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gx5rTKJd)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 25, 2019, 07:27:19 AM
FDNY CHIEF HANDPAINTED FRONTPIECES

(https://i.postimg.cc/3WhQXxm9/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-30-29-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3WhQXxm9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/v1nCnJmp/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-44-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/v1nCnJmp)


(https://i.postimg.cc/mPJ0tLTY/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-05-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/mPJ0tLTY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rRVHvz9k/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-05-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rRVHvz9k)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BXYWf5yw/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-18-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BXYWf5yw)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJT4PqH9/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-19-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/fJT4PqH9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xJSh36Jq/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-20-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xJSh36Jq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FY7MrdXF/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-20-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/FY7MrdXF)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: In2theJob on June 25, 2019, 09:06:49 AM
Here is the guys intagram that makes the FDNY shields

https://www.instagram.com/helmetshields/
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 25, 2019, 01:06:39 PM
^^^^^^^THANKS  IN2TJ, THATS A GREAT POST!...check it out!, and thanks for jumping in here!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 25, 2019, 03:58:24 PM
Very nice work.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 25, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
Couple of Vintage Squad Frointpieces and todays:

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQ4x6nMf/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-13-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sQ4x6nMf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rRymvS41/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-14-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rRymvS41)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yhs9sLCF/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-33-26-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Yhs9sLCF)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 25, 2019, 06:09:49 PM
ATTN JOHHNY G.    https://www.ebay.com/itm/PENNSYLVANIA-GENESEE-FIRE-DEPT-POTTER-COUNTY-STATION-37-PATCH/362685622367?hash=item5471bf685f:g:wYwAAOSwXeZdEDia
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 25, 2019, 07:36:44 PM
^^^^^^Good Find JK!, that's pretty cool...thanks for the heads up! (is that rig a "low rider?")
(https://i.postimg.cc/DJnrfvM7/Screenshot-2019-06-25-19-33-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DJnrfvM7)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 26, 2019, 07:38:07 AM
Anderson and Jones JOCKEY style helmet:

(https://i.postimg.cc/rK84b8DT/Screenshot-2019-06-18-16-03-18-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rK84b8DT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7fmzrpz2/Screenshot-2019-06-18-16-03-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7fmzrpz2)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 26, 2019, 07:40:20 AM
Motor City lids:
(https://i.postimg.cc/DSrtzP2L/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-24-12-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DSrtzP2L)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZBMQQfct/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-24-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZBMQQfct)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JDngPwj5/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-24-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JDngPwj5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/z34MScvT/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-25-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/z34MScvT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJXPHfSp/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-25-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/fJXPHfSp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WqqycMWD/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-25-50-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/WqqycMWD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w31ZNpq6/Screenshot-2019-05-15-09-27-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w31ZNpq6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sBKqYfG2/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-10-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sBKqYfG2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jWRBnn59/Screenshot-2019-06-01-09-46-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jWRBnn59)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 26, 2019, 03:49:39 PM
INTERVALE AVE WAR YEARS FRONTS.....  https://www.instagram.com/p/BiOuAclHdVI/?utm_source=ig_embed
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 26, 2019, 05:56:00 PM
^^^^^^Jk told me these helmet frontpieces are from a private collection from R2 Pete Lunds son of the companies from LA CASA GRANDE... Anyone know the names of who may have worn the particular frontpiece? I know Capt. McCafferty and Capt. Farrell L31. Capt. ALbergray of E 82....

Thanks JK for this wonderful addition to this thread, very cool...
Here they are....

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDbDGg5Q/Screenshot-2019-06-26-17-47-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kDbDGg5Q)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 26, 2019, 09:13:03 PM
Combined Fire Companies 1975-1976:


     (https://i.postimg.cc/1fLSQLQ7/CFC-121-fronts.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1fLSQLQ7)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/CZ0VZkdj/CFC-131-front.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CZ0VZkdj)


     History:

          - Organized during 1970s NYC fiscal crisis to save officer salaries
          - Concept was announced to improve coordinated attack at incidents and fires under one officer and enable better development of FFs in both engine and truck functions.  It was primarily an attempt to save money.
          - CFC 121, 1974-1975, (Engine 70/Ladder 52 City Island, Bronx) and CFC 151, 1974-1977, (Engine 311/Ladder 158 Springfield Gardens, Queens) were also organized CFCs   
          - CFC numbering:  first digit "1" for CFC designation; 2nd digit for boro ("2" Bronx,"3 Queens", "5" SI); 3rd didit was for unit organized in boro
          - FDNY had planned up to 10 CFCs   
          - CFCs responded as one unit to all incidents with both apparatus under command of one officer - a captain
          - Five captains in CFC replaced two captains and 6 lieutenants assigned to engine and ladder companies (one administrative captain assigned to each CFC) 
          - CFCs were assigned a 1000 GPM pumper and a 75 ft tower ladder
          - CFC unit always responded with both apparatus required utilizing both sections for minor incidents
          - CFC concept problems included:  lack of control at fires and incidents; both sections responded to all incidents normally requiring one company; relocations and multiples were problems
          - Numerous engine, ladder and squad companies also disbanded in 1970s added to CFCs lack of assignment flexibility problem 
   
     CFCs Runs and Workers:

                              CFC 121          CFC 131              CFC 151

          1975               108                  733                    2151

          1976                                      853                     2255



Combined Fire Company 131  1974-1977  7219 Amboy Road Tottenville, Staten Island   8th Division, 23rd Battalion   "The Combo"


     (https://s2.postimg.cc/fxslx1aqt/cfc_131.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fxslx1aqt/)

     (https://s2.postimg.cc/ovhx84skl/003.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ovhx84skl/)

     (https://s2.postimg.cc/yizo6g6n9/E_151.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/yizo6g6n9/)

     (https://s2.postimg.cc/b5ndzc5gl/CFC_131_front.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/b5ndzc5gl/)



Combined Fire Company 151  1974-1977  145050 Springfield Blvd  Springfield Gardens, Queens


     Organized from Engine 311 and Ladder 158


     (https://s2.postimg.cc/p8o0macv9/CFC_161.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/p8o0macv9/)

     (https://s2.postimg.cc/5glun01b9/CFC_1_51.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5glun01b9/)

     (https://s2.postimg.cc/d0o4gj99h/E_311_fh_3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/d0o4gj99h/)



Combined Fire Company 121  1974-1975  169 Schofield St  City Island, Bronx

     Organized from Engine 70 and Ladder 53

          (https://s2.postimg.cc/w4cuj4wpx/CFC_121.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/w4cuj4wpx/)

          (https://s2.postimg.cc/efl3rikyt/CFC_121_fronts.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/efl3rikyt/)

          (https://s2.postimg.cc/er75i0qsl/E_70_fh_5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/er75i0qsl/)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 26, 2019, 09:34:15 PM
FDNY second section engine and ladder company fronts:

      - most War Years second section engines, ladders and battalions were organized 1968 or 1969 and then disbanded by 1974


(https://i.postimg.cc/Jsnpphg9/50-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jsnpphg9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8J8wkm5S/L-103-2-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8J8wkm5S)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Kknf13kg/91-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Kknf13kg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/5X6Z6pxY/10632376-309498985900899-887831144-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5X6Z6pxY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xcdZ4gNx/E-88-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/xcdZ4gNx)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 27, 2019, 07:37:45 AM
Joe "mack", what a great discovery about the combo companies, the concept and interesting front pieces. I think the concept was similar to LAFD with their "Light task force" where the response is a single engine and tractor trailer tiller apparatus under the command of one officer. Works there, not so good here...

Thanks for the second section frontpieces too. I notice that sometimes the smaller number is either on the top half of the insert and sometimes at the bottom of the insert...I guess that was just done at random.

Both concepts were very interesting back during the War Years! Thanks Joe for your contribution, love it!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: grumpy grizzly on June 27, 2019, 12:19:23 PM
CFC's. Runs and workloads are escalating, city is in financial crisis, and saving the salary of several company officers will make it all go away.And you dispatch both an engine and a ladder for a water leak, outside rubbish fire, etc. Yeah that all makes sense to me!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 29, 2019, 12:52:16 AM
Helmet Safety - WNYF - 2nd Issue 1973:
 
     (https://i.postimg.cc/ThsgjCqj/Helmet-Safety-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ThsgjCqj)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 29, 2019, 01:25:30 AM
Helmet Care and Maintenance WNYF 1st Issue 1967:

(https://i.postimg.cc/1gHJy2Vh/Helmet-Care-and-Maintenance-1967.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1gHJy2Vh)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on June 29, 2019, 01:33:44 AM
New Helmet Eyeshields - WNYF - 3rd Issue 1967:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Tp60WTjM/Helmet-Eyeshields-3rd-1967.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Tp60WTjM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yJpBkf2t/New-Eyeshield.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yJpBkf2t)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 29, 2019, 07:20:09 PM
JOHNNY G. ANOTHER PATCH... https://www.ebay.com/itm/PENNSYLVANIA-SHINGLEHOUSE-FIRE-RESCUE-DEPT-39-PATCH/362685619198?hash=item5471bf5bfe:g:q88AAOSwzj9dEDbx
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on June 30, 2019, 02:20:49 AM
JOHNNY G. YOUR SHIRT IS IN....  https://www.ebay.com/c/24022394222?iid=132635678012
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on June 30, 2019, 07:39:43 AM
^^^^^Thanks JK, "Potter" getting out there!  Don't forget some famous Potter's beside that kid Harry....there was Col. Potter on MASH and the evil Mr. Potter on "It's a Wonderful Life" who wanted to change the name from Bedford Falls to "Pottersville"!...and I always tell friends I have a little island outside NYC if they want to do some "camping" called "Potter's Field".

(https://i.postimg.cc/Wh7WZ17z/Screenshot-2019-06-30-07-20-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Wh7WZ17z)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 01, 2019, 07:40:17 AM
Los Angeles Fire Dept lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/hXmStJdz/Screenshot-2019-06-10-14-49-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hXmStJdz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yJz7gVmf/Screenshot-2019-06-10-14-50-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/yJz7gVmf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zH3NZ3Nf/Screenshot-2019-06-10-14-52-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zH3NZ3Nf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R6gmDKj8/Screenshot-2019-06-10-14-52-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/R6gmDKj8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G8LrKqSG/Screenshot-2019-06-10-14-55-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G8LrKqSG)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HjLd7vMC/Screenshot-2019-06-10-14-55-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/HjLd7vMC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/f3g5qb8C/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-29-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/f3g5qb8C)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZBBHGhgS/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-30-52-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZBBHGhgS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Wt78xSYt/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-28-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Wt78xSYt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nCc2x7N2/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-31-20-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nCc2x7N2)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 01, 2019, 07:49:39 AM
Cairns and Brother 1940's "WAR BABY" style fire helmet, helmet did not have brass finial as metal was used for war effort.

(https://i.postimg.cc/f3cZN606/Screenshot-2019-06-27-13-59-08-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/f3cZN606)

(https://i.postimg.cc/q6Rd2qZT/Screenshot-2019-06-27-13-59-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/q6Rd2qZT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/c64Wpk1b/Screenshot-2019-06-27-13-59-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/c64Wpk1b)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cgdW4XR6/Screenshot-2019-06-27-13-59-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/cgdW4XR6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WhxPJ2GB/Screenshot-2019-06-27-14-00-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/WhxPJ2GB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/6TjKtVy5/Screenshot-2019-06-27-14-00-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/6TjKtVy5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gnxWJwZy/Screenshot-2019-06-27-14-02-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gnxWJwZy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ft5N3mCC/Screenshot-2019-06-27-14-05-34-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ft5N3mCC)

Some made in aluminum:

(https://i.postimg.cc/7JCWx2Wf/Screenshot-2019-06-27-14-03-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7JCWx2Wf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/t77fdK4p/Screenshot-2019-06-27-14-05-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/t77fdK4p)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on July 01, 2019, 11:22:15 AM
ATTN JOHHNY G.    https://www.ebay.com/itm/PENNSYLVANIA-GENESEE-FIRE-DEPT-POTTER-COUNTY-STATION-37-PATCH/362685622367?hash=item5471bf685f:g:wYwAAOSwXeZdEDia

 Johnny G., the bidding is over for that Potter County FD Patch (see replies #154 and 155).

 The bids were:
 $10.00
 $10.75
 $12.00
 $13.00
 $15.00
 $17.00
 $20.00
 AND can you believe, $56.00.

 With the highest bidder offering $57.00 for that patch. SOLD TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER FOR $57.00. 


 
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: raybrag on July 01, 2019, 11:53:01 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/crbjN2gk/1189.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crbjN2gk)


But then who am I to say?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 01, 2019, 01:29:21 PM
$57 clams! Who woulda thunk that for that patch!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 05, 2019, 07:39:11 AM
NY Fire Patrol was a civilian organization formed in late 1800's operating from an Insurance Co. The "firepatrolmen" had ranks but operated under the command of the FDNY commander at fire scenes usually on the floor below a commercial occupancy covering equipment, furniture etc. They also pumped out water from basement and floors. Fire Patrol was reduced to three Patrol houses and disbanded in 2006. (Onr Firepatrolman made the supreme sacrifice on 9/11)...check out macks thread on more insightful and intersting historical info on page 5 of this History section, "Fire Patrol..." great stuff on there....Here are some of their lids;

(https://i.postimg.cc/FYPTWPQ2/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-27-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/FYPTWPQ2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xNyRK5Rp/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-29-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xNyRK5Rp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4KmBrzfn/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-30-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4KmBrzfn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/30H14VgD/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-45-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/30H14VgD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/56bpxc4h/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-45-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/56bpxc4h)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rDY9CK1T/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-47-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rDY9CK1T)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nXLkDvQT/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-47-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nXLkDvQT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9DXxY6sd/Screenshot-2019-05-26-19-58-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/9DXxY6sd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fkxBnWN7/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-00-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/fkxBnWN7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ftd5bD0N/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-00-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ftd5bD0N)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4GzXMRW/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-50-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Y4GzXMRW)

Other "Patrol" organizations:



(https://i.postimg.cc/rDL9fvbn/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-02-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rDL9fvbn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3kCFVtQK/Screenshot-2019-05-26-21-05-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/3kCFVtQK)



Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 05, 2019, 07:58:57 AM
Few other interesting FDNY lids;

(https://i.postimg.cc/YhZMmxvz/Screenshot-2019-07-04-07-24-35-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/YhZMmxvz)
Interesting Lion finial

(https://i.postimg.cc/w1NH5sJ8/Screenshot-2019-07-04-07-25-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w1NH5sJ8)


Although not FDNY, interesting frontpiece on this "War Baby" helmet...I would say it's from Company #10, wouldn't you?

(https://i.postimg.cc/G4T3ZbNY/Screenshot-2019-07-01-22-13-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G4T3ZbNY)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 05, 2019, 12:49:09 PM
Brooklyn Fire Department Engineers (Chiefs) - paid department - 1869 - with lids:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/9zPVy6wz/bfd.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9zPVy6wz)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 05, 2019, 04:42:57 PM
Fire Commissioner Cavanaugh's aide - 1950s - frontpiece with a "C"?

     (https://i.postimg.cc/xNdHHGxj/1959-Comm-Aide.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNdHHGxj)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on July 05, 2019, 07:23:42 PM
^^^ Cavanaugh always wore that cap...sort of like a baseball cap with a strap across the front which he attached his Badge to..... ( i think he may of gotten it in Grammar School).
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on July 06, 2019, 07:21:33 PM
FOR THE BIRDS.....  https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MSA-FIREMAN-HELMET-BIRD-HOUSE-A-MUST-HAVE-FOR-ANY-FIREMANS-TREE/283539967496?hash=item42044c8e08:g:EG0AAOSwEwFdIR13
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: fdce54 on July 06, 2019, 07:25:07 PM
That would look good at Uncle Wilfred's house. Hope you're listening Willy.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 06, 2019, 07:31:20 PM
^^^^^^Good eye JK!...any bird that was a buff would have loved living in lid chalet like that...

(https://i.postimg.cc/PNxMLd2B/Screenshot-2019-07-06-19-21-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PNxMLd2B)


And how 'bout a good place for flowers beneath it in this planter!

(https://i.postimg.cc/jnwNMd12/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-46-15-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/jnwNMd12)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on July 06, 2019, 08:23:39 PM
That would look good at Uncle Wilfred's house. Hope you're listening Willy.

 That fire helmet bird house looks better than the house I live in.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 06, 2019, 09:13:26 PM
^^^^^^Perhaps one of these on the front door will help...a helmet wreath!

(https://i.postimg.cc/5j7zYG0y/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-43-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5j7zYG0y)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 07, 2019, 09:48:20 AM
A photo from Jay Jonas July column shows some intersting chapeaus in one shot... the Jersey City Deputy Chief barking has an eagle finial, the Battalion Chief the "newer" version and get a load of that war helmet behind them, what a resume he's wearing, Bronx bend and more!

(https://i.postimg.cc/hJPN2Fpd/Screenshot-2019-07-06-21-20-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hJPN2Fpd)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 07, 2019, 10:26:09 AM
There were 5 salvage companies serving NYC. The "Salvage Crew" members were hired from the Model City program. "Mack" has contributed real insightful info, check out page 5 of this History section for interesting aspects of Fire Patrol and Salvage! Good stuff there...

I was detailed to drive Salvage 3 one night tour. S3 is located in E 48's old quarters on Webster Ave. I walked into quarters, saw a handful of fine young men. I met the officer, again very nice man. He told me my sole responsibility was to distribute the "hammer staple gun", one per man at an operation , and "make sure" you get "one hammer staple gun" per man back at the end of the operation. The staple guns are "locked" in a wooden box, on the floor of the apparatus, bolted down. "Aye, aye, Boss...got it". I mean, what else can I say...then he gives me a key to my room on the second floor. The room is the old 48 officers office and is padlocked closed from the outside with a hasp and lock! The Boss tells me, make sure you lock the door between runs. I'm saying to myself, what the ding dong hell is going on here?...anyway, I thank him and proceed to look over the GMC rig.

The group doesn't eat together, so I got a sandwich and ate it in my room with my own tv. Since the old firehouse was 48's, the computer signal has not been disconnected and it is interesting hearing it pulse indicating a run for 48. I can hear 48 responding about a block away.

Well, so far a quiet night. We get turned out sometime after midnight to a Manhattan job, somewhere near 103 street. And I locked the "room". The officer tells me, "no rush, we'll take our time responding"...got it. I forgot the route, but I'm just keeping with the traffic. The officer has the siren going like crazy, flipping through the different electronic tones, you would think it was the end of the world.... He turns to me and says  "we can slow down a bit more"... "sure, fine with me". I literally took my foot off the acelerator as we coast from the Bronx to Manhattan, traffic passing me by... At the fire I gave out, and accounted for the return of four hammer staple guns. Wierd tour!....Anyway here are some salvage lids...

Old Salvage 4

(https://i.postimg.cc/v1VRsfxv/Screenshot-2019-06-30-09-26-48.png) (https://postimg.cc/v1VRsfxv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VJ5QK3Yp/Screenshot-2019-06-30-09-27-42.png) (https://postimg.cc/VJ5QK3Yp)

Different salvage lids

(https://i.postimg.cc/xNdt0VFS/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-12-11-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNdt0VFS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jt7T3j7d/Screenshot-2019-05-20-07-54-07-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jt7T3j7d)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JtTpptG7/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-34-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JtTpptG7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PpySs5y4/Screenshot-2019-06-10-14-53-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PpySs5y4)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mikeindabronx on July 07, 2019, 11:19:18 AM
Members of the fire patrol (lower left wearing red helmets) at a multiple alarm in Da Bronx:

(http://www.fdnysbravest.com/firephoto218.jpg)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 07, 2019, 12:36:21 PM
NYFP lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/TKmf9J4f/FP-7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKmf9J4f)

(https://i.postimg.cc/svGrjJy7/NYFP-6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/svGrjJy7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bGzWt0X6/fire-patrol-1-with-salvage-sheet-BRT1-G8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bGzWt0X6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FfWWk2VR/fire-patrol-fdny-BRXNY8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfWWk2VR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Vd8RvfPg/FP-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Vd8RvfPg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VSp981Fj/d974779f9a9b992108cd7d0c566cb12a.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSp981Fj)


NYFP members were noted for their white turnout coats in earlier days.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 07, 2019, 12:41:38 PM
Site thread with salvage, fire-police and fire patrol companies and departments (NYC/Brooklyn/Boston/Chicago/San Francisco/Newark/Albany/Memphis etc):

     http://nycfire.net/forums/index.php/topic,25617.0.html
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 07, 2019, 12:50:55 PM
There were 5 salvage companies serving NYC. The "Salvage Crew" members were hired from the Model City program. "Mack" has contributed real insightful info, check out page 5 of this History section for interesting aspects of Fire Patrol and Salvage! Good stuff there...

I was detailed to drive Salvage 3 one night tour. S3 is located in E 48's old quarters on Webster Ave. I walked into quarters, saw a handful of fine young men. I met the officer, again very nice man. He told me my sole responsibility was to distribute the "hammer staple gun", one per man at an operation , and "make sure" you get "one hammer staple gun" per man back at the end of the operation. The staple guns are "locked" in a wooden box, on the floor of the apparatus, bolted down. "Aye, aye, Boss...got it". I mean, what else can I say...then he gives me a key to my room on the second floor. The room is the old 48 officers office and is padlocked closed from the outside with a hasp and lock! The Boss tells me, make sure you lock the door between runs. I'm saying to myself, what the ding dong hell is going on here?...anyway, I thank him and proceed to look over the GMC rig.

The group doesn't eat together, so I got a sandwich and ate it in my room with my own tv. Since the old firehouse was 48's, the computer signal has not been disconnected and it is interesting hearing it pulse indicating a run for 48. I can hear 48 responding about a block away.

Well, so far a quiet night. We get turned out sometime after midnight to a Manhattan job, somewhere near 103 street. And I locked the "room". The officer tells me, "no rush, we'll take our time responding"...got it. I forgot the route, but I'm just keeping with the traffic. The officer has the siren going like crazy, flipping through the different electronic tones, you would think it was the end of the world.... He turns to me and says  "we can slow down a bit more"... "sure, fine with me". I literally took my foot off the acelerator as we coast from the Bronx to Manhattan. At the fire I gave out, and accounted for the return of four hammer staple guns. Wierd tour!....Anyway here are some salvage lids...

Old Salvage 4

(https://i.postimg.cc/v1VRsfxv/Screenshot-2019-06-30-09-26-48.png) (https://postimg.cc/v1VRsfxv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VJ5QK3Yp/Screenshot-2019-06-30-09-27-42.png) (https://postimg.cc/VJ5QK3Yp)

Different salvage lids

(https://i.postimg.cc/xNdt0VFS/Screenshot-2019-05-16-20-12-11-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNdt0VFS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jt7T3j7d/Screenshot-2019-05-20-07-54-07-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Jt7T3j7d)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JtTpptG7/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-34-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JtTpptG7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PpySs5y4/Screenshot-2019-06-10-14-53-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PpySs5y4)

FDNY Salvage rigs:

(https://i.postimg.cc/YG3LnHjN/tbt-fire-salvage-1024x664.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YG3LnHjN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0bZPHN8H/S-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0bZPHN8H)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qzrv5Y2g/S-1-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzrv5Y2g)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9rXrfK0K/S-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9rXrfK0K)

(https://i.postimg.cc/pmG8xxBs/FDNY-Salvage-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pmG8xxBs)


Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 07, 2019, 01:04:09 PM
1943 all-hands fire - NYFP arrives and operates with distinctive red helmets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe1rzfidAaE
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on July 07, 2019, 06:20:26 PM
My Salvage tour....one day as a COV LT i was assigned to work a 9x6 in the Salvage Unit in Harlem...it was quartered in the former LAD*43 bay alongside ENG*91....https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=_HAiXcieLcqN5wLRpr7wDA&q=242+East+111th+Street%2C+New+York%2C+NY&oq=242+EAST+111++&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.38.2225.12849..15667...0.0..0.89.984.14......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0j0i131j0i13j0i7i30j0i8i7i30.gcE4eMzwvsg  ... i was not enthused about spending a tour not really fighting Fires however i was looking forward to getting back inside the FH i grew up in...as a kid i had spent many tours there riding with my Father as he drove 43 https://nyfd.com/manhattan_ladders/ladder_43.html sometime if 43 was not assigned to a job riding w/DV*4 who was in w/91 back then .....i used to get my haircuts at the Barber directly across he street next to Louisa's Candy Store ....back then the 3 bays of the FH consisted of (facing the bldg) left door 91..middle door an unmanned but fully equipped Reserve LAD & DV*4...then a wall & 43 in a separate bay....there was one HW with a walk through opening & another pass through on top floor....separate kitchens for the E & T....so i arrive for work & enter the old Truck side (in the old days it was never very bright inside as the ceiling lights were incandescent bulbs no fluorescents but the tile walls were clean)....now it was very dark inside & the tile walls were grimy...there was an old metal drip pan nailed over the opening to the HW ....i walked back to the kitchen to find it gutted.....there was no one on the apparatus floor so i went upstairs to the office & found the Officer who i was to relieve ....he gave me a quick rundown & then told me "the guys don't have coffee so if you want some go next door to 91 "....just then a Salvage Man came in with a big laundry bag & the Officer gave him a bag of quarters & said to me "this is so & so.. you won't see him for he rest of the tour as he will be out washing sheets"....i said ok ....the other guys were hanging out at a table on the 3rd fl which was old locker room area which also had the door to 91 sealed...i said to the Officer as he was going home that i was going next door to 91 for some coffee ....he said "ok the guys don't cook so if you want to eat at lunchtime ask 91 to count you in "  i walked outside & into 91 .....the guys there welcomed me & i joined them for coffee....the ENG side was much more updated than i had remembered it as a kid....around 1030 hrs we got a Salvage run to a flooded basement uptown...when we got there the Chief said DEP was handling it & we went 10-8....back to the FH & i had lunch w/91 then we had a run to a MD Fire in BN*46s area in QNS...when we got there it was basically out....we stood fast until they completed overhauling then hung some plastic on the windows & took up...back at the FH i was sitting in the office thinking about some of the previous LAD*43 Officers i had met years ago while they sat in this same spot .....the former Truck office like rest of the former Truck side was a shell of its larger than life impressions when i was a kid...the old little stores across the St had changed ...even the old West to East traffic flow on 111 St had been changed to East to West....  time was dragging on & i was wishing 1800 would come...i never felt this way working in any other Unit suddenly the phone rang & it was the fellow in DV*15 who handles the assignments & he told me i would be Covering in 103 tomorrow...things were brightening up ...soon the night tour Officer arrived & i took up from my first & last FDNY Salvage tour.                             
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 08, 2019, 08:01:54 PM
War Years helmet - James P. Ginty L 42:


     (https://i.postimg.cc/kBZtzgTc/Ginty-L-42.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kBZtzgTc)



     (another classic Mick Dick picture)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 09, 2019, 11:20:09 AM
FDNY Helmets - 2015 ComicCon

     https://www.flickr.com/photos/fdnyhome/albums/72157659210017649
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 09, 2019, 12:47:36 PM
1 lid = 1K in views;

(https://i.postimg.cc/9zMsJF4P/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-49-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/9zMsJF4P)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLW0ddtq/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-52-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jLW0ddtq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/V0dT6DyZ/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-55-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/V0dT6DyZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Pp69T078/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-50-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Pp69T078)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLGVW0SH/Screenshot-2019-06-10-15-13-20-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jLGVW0SH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2bjgpC0D/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-48-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2bjgpC0D)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nsGNwXY2/Screenshot-2019-06-10-15-02-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nsGNwXY2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/68Rknj8D/Screenshot-2019-06-10-15-13-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/68Rknj8D)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2qDPwQv3/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-45-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2qDPwQv3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qgDHTCfZ/Screenshot-2019-06-10-09-42-34-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/qgDHTCfZ)


10 K views,  Wohoo!....Thanks to all who have contributed!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 10, 2019, 09:55:58 AM
Hard to tell where these lids came from:

(https://i.postimg.cc/XZrKy5rz/Screenshot-2019-06-10-14-59-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XZrKy5rz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R6fcgzQ1/Screenshot-2019-06-10-15-11-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/R6fcgzQ1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p93fQd8X/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-48-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/p93fQd8X)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 10, 2019, 09:57:06 AM
Couple of more "war babies":

(https://i.postimg.cc/wRqQMGLh/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-53-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/wRqQMGLh)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vDhvkGwX/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-12-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/vDhvkGwX)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 10, 2019, 10:00:58 AM
May the Force be with you, Philly Fire Force!

(https://i.postimg.cc/MMks659D/Screenshot-2019-05-26-20-05-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/MMks659D)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N91d5XVw/Screenshot-2019-06-08-18-10-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N91d5XVw)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 10, 2019, 10:03:20 AM
If our President had his own fire department...

(https://i.postimg.cc/PP8QxY8V/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-09-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PP8QxY8V)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 10, 2019, 10:37:57 AM
Columbus Ohio MSA helmets:

(https://i.postimg.cc/VS5vZXMB/Screenshot-2019-07-10-10-21-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VS5vZXMB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CZt13dsy/Screenshot-2019-07-10-10-25-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CZt13dsy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xJzCnY6X/Screenshot-2019-07-10-10-29-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xJzCnY6X)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xNVdd7Zt/Screenshot-2019-07-10-10-31-18-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xNVdd7Zt)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 11, 2019, 07:30:55 AM
A review on helmet "bends":

(https://i.postimg.cc/0r77gbc1/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-30-10-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/0r77gbc1)

Introducing another bend: the COWBOY Bend!


(https://i.postimg.cc/0zhYS3f7/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-30-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0zhYS3f7)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 12, 2019, 10:27:25 AM
FDNY Fire Academy lids- 1981


     (https://i.postimg.cc/30HJx9XT/WNYF-1981-4th-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/30HJx9XT)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 12, 2019, 01:37:42 PM
FDNY Auxiliaries 1950s lids:


(https://i.postimg.cc/9RBhsPDf/Aux-1954.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9RBhsPDf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JGv96Ypq/CD-Lids.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGv96Ypq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XGYH792q/CD-1952.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XGYH792q)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mikeindabronx on July 12, 2019, 08:44:46 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vintage-Style-Miniature-Fireman-Fire-Helmet-Fighter-Bottle-Cap-Opener/383038707584?_trkparms=aid%3D888008%26algo%3DDISC.CARDS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D59000%26meid%3De54e538075fe4f1e96f12f44066554d8%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D223579042761%26itm%3D383038707584%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vintage-Style-Miniature-Fireman-Fire-Helmet-Fighter-Bottle-Cap-Opener/383038707584?_trkparms=aid%3D888008%26algo%3DDISC.CARDS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D59000%26meid%3De54e538075fe4f1e96f12f44066554d8%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D223579042761%26itm%3D383038707584%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 12, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
Thanks Mike, everyone should own one...

(https://i.postimg.cc/CdQkzt3j/Screenshot-2019-07-12-21-44-34-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CdQkzt3j)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 14, 2019, 09:49:40 AM
Painting a Boston Truck Company helmet procedure; top 1/3 red;

(https://i.postimg.cc/y3VTcB36/Screenshot-2019-07-11-08-56-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/y3VTcB36)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w365Wq3g/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-15-41-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w365Wq3g)



The Boston bend!


(https://i.postimg.cc/Lhz7P6wS/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-04-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Lhz7P6wS)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 14, 2019, 09:51:09 AM
Special Boston  front piece finial design with Boston badge:

(https://i.postimg.cc/0MrkQKc9/Screenshot-2019-06-18-16-02-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0MrkQKc9)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 14, 2019, 09:59:11 AM
Vintage Boston "War Babies":

(https://i.postimg.cc/Vr5t86tC/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-13-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Vr5t86tC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0M3w2sGH/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-29-06-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0M3w2sGH)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 14, 2019, 10:01:47 AM
Boston Chiefs and Aides lids and frontpieces:

(https://i.postimg.cc/6yQCVMq0/Screenshot-2019-06-18-15-58-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/6yQCVMq0)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0zMmFrpK/Screenshot-2019-06-18-15-59-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0zMmFrpK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dLSr5GTK/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-02-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dLSr5GTK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B82FZy7q/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-03-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/B82FZy7q)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0zTmsxfW/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-29-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0zTmsxfW)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 15, 2019, 12:15:55 PM
Boston lids:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/KkYvxSkW/BFD-8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KkYvxSkW)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/G9WrSsQV/BFD-6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G9WrSsQV)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/gL89PND5/BFD-4.png) (https://postimg.cc/gL89PND5)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/sGF8K5rJ/BFD-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/sGF8K5rJ)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/2LfcnmQc/BFD-3.png) (https://postimg.cc/2LfcnmQc)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/8FtYvswZ/15-POY1-01.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8FtYvswZ)
          (suicide jumper rescue)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/gr6MzM9S/BFD-9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gr6MzM9S)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 15, 2019, 12:18:05 PM
Boston Chiefs lids:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/XBMkBbM2/c-HIEFS-AT-5-TH-a-LARM.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XBMkBbM2)
          (5th alarm)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/QFNkTmPr/BFD-13.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QFNkTmPr)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/zydwSWZH/Bostonfire-7-new.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zydwSWZH)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/v1stPXgT/BFD-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v1stPXgT)
          (BFD Commissioner)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 15, 2019, 12:20:51 PM
Boston winter lids:

     (https://i.postimg.cc/K3Fgyvhy/SNOW-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K3Fgyvhy)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/TpdCVTLS/SNOW-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TpdCVTLS)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/87s4Ywbm/SNOW-5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/87s4Ywbm)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/hzR0fnR2/SNOW-4.png) (https://postimg.cc/hzR0fnR2)

     (https://i.postimg.cc/MfWbmYTR/SNOW-9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MfWbmYTR)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 15, 2019, 02:17:07 PM
Few more "Bah-sten fer ya"

(https://i.postimg.cc/gx86P1yV/Screenshot-2019-06-18-15-54-54-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gx86P1yV)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QBDKNSSR/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-20-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/QBDKNSSR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PLMpCZRN/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-30-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PLMpCZRN)

And frontpieces:


(https://i.postimg.cc/6T4Z077b/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-07-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/6T4Z077b)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B8vL1t9g/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-11-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/B8vL1t9g)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJjJ2YMC/Screenshot-2019-06-18-15-56-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/fJjJ2YMC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/D418KXL2/Screenshot-2019-06-18-15-56-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/D418KXL2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bsjZ9mfd/Screenshot-2019-06-18-15-57-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bsjZ9mfd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/75Hbpb6k/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-15-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/75Hbpb6k)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 15, 2019, 02:26:29 PM
This is a Boston Chiefs Helmet with eagle finial from a Marine Division and from my private fire memorabilia collection. I bought it back late 70's from a vendor for $60. Due to downsizing a few years ago, I contacted the Boston Fire Museum. They told me the helmet was from a Chief who later died (possibly line of duty). I shipped it back home to the Museum where it belongs along with my condolences.

(https://i.postimg.cc/dZ7SQG9T/20190502-135509.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dZ7SQG9T)


(https://i.postimg.cc/BLhLbSdK/Screenshot-2019-07-17-15-50-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BLhLbSdK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jDVWLkkZ/Screenshot-2019-07-17-15-50-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jDVWLkkZ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mikeindabronx on July 15, 2019, 09:44:34 PM
https://postimg.cc/gx86P1yV

I thought they were a "Soft Rock Duo"
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: mack on July 16, 2019, 10:10:25 AM
https://postimg.cc/gx86P1yV

I thought they were a "Soft Rock Duo"


https://bostonfirehistory.org/apparatus-2/apparatus/other-fire-co-s/air-supply-unit/

     (https://i.postimg.cc/68Fr2hVY/W-12-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/68Fr2hVY)

Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on July 18, 2019, 01:40:22 PM
299.....    https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CAIRNS-Firefighter-Fire-Helmet/392345470983?hash=item5b599cc807:g:t7gAAOSwUxJdMIUA
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 18, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
^^^^^Good catch JK, pretty cool chapeau!...

(https://i.postimg.cc/F7rZhGbC/Screenshot-2019-07-18-14-31-54-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/F7rZhGbC)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 18, 2019, 05:55:29 PM
Some Baltimore lids:


(https://i.postimg.cc/Z0GSgBrq/Screenshot-2019-07-16-10-06-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z0GSgBrq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fktsBjSF/Screenshot-2019-07-16-10-06-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/fktsBjSF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CBR3rS5D/Screenshot-2019-07-16-10-10-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CBR3rS5D)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YGTJJZLP/Screenshot-2019-07-16-10-10-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/YGTJJZLP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WtkRMNQc/Screenshot-2019-07-16-10-12-12-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/WtkRMNQc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BX9rNW0L/Screenshot-2019-07-16-10-12-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BX9rNW0L)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N2TWYD1j/Screenshot-2019-07-16-10-14-04-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N2TWYD1j)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qzs95mJm/Screenshot-2019-07-16-10-15-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/qzs95mJm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/NKQWq1LQ/Screenshot-2019-07-16-10-16-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/NKQWq1LQ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 18, 2019, 05:58:43 PM
Check out this old relic...

(https://i.postimg.cc/6yzNQHk8/Screenshot-2019-06-18-16-05-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/6yzNQHk8)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 20, 2019, 07:28:11 AM
Vintage "smoke helmet":

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDwQmtgq/Screenshot-2019-07-09-13-04-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kDwQmtgq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yW7mtTBL/Screenshot-2019-07-09-13-05-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/yW7mtTBL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zVcTLZhQ/Screenshot-2019-07-09-13-06-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zVcTLZhQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bsJQNNZb/Screenshot-2019-07-09-13-06-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bsJQNNZb)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 20, 2019, 07:31:38 AM
Here is a trio of unique lids you don't see everyday...

(https://i.postimg.cc/BLj0nFfk/Screenshot-2019-07-11-08-56-13-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BLj0nFfk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XBF6w0Jg/Screenshot-2019-07-11-09-02-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XBF6w0Jg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qgGPHQKq/Screenshot-2019-07-11-09-02-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/qgGPHQKq)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 20, 2019, 07:40:10 AM
I guess you could say this trooper was assigned to a "Ldder Truck":

(https://i.postimg.cc/HjLqHX9t/Screenshot-2019-06-01-09-46-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/HjLqHX9t)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 23, 2019, 07:41:40 AM
Lotsa bends going on with this chapeau...
(https://i.postimg.cc/sQJFf0gV/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-50-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sQJFf0gV)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 25, 2019, 05:22:01 PM
WWII metal FDNY Property fire helmet:

(https://i.postimg.cc/jW3MjnTM/Screenshot-2019-06-08-21-06-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jW3MjnTM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JDyPH74M/Screenshot-2019-06-08-21-07-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JDyPH74M)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vgpXrRc9/Screenshot-2019-06-08-21-07-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/vgpXrRc9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sv2q3z5f/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-48-26-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sv2q3z5f)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MnnLQ8Z6/Screenshot-2019-07-10-10-20-32-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/MnnLQ8Z6)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 25, 2019, 05:25:13 PM
Few smoke jumper lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/kB5F2XjZ/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-46-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kB5F2XjZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QHng1GwM/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-46-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/QHng1GwM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/18nGK71r/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-55-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/18nGK71r)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 25, 2019, 05:28:10 PM
Poor planning lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/kRv1q1gb/Screenshot-2019-06-10-21-53-50-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kRv1q1gb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jCHkH54S/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-47-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jCHkH54S)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLXxFRts/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-52-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jLXxFRts)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 25, 2019, 05:48:34 PM
Who is QMC?

(https://i.postimg.cc/HcYj6zhL/Screenshot-2019-07-11-09-06-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/HcYj6zhL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0MVjFST0/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-58-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0MVjFST0)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Disp51 on July 25, 2019, 08:04:56 PM
Quite possibly an old US Army Quartermaster Corps issued helmet.

The third paragraph of the attached webpage covers the QMC history as to Army firefighting units prior to WWII.

http://www.dodfire.com/history/History.htm
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 26, 2019, 11:54:29 AM
^^^^^Thanks Disp51 for that insightful and interesting article. Below are helmets believed to have been worn at US Army facilities by civilian firefighters. The white helmet below came from a facility (Base?) in Germany after WWII.

(https://i.postimg.cc/p95C1Hr0/Screenshot-2019-06-01-18-11-25-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/p95C1Hr0)

Here are a few more...

(https://i.postimg.cc/PPNS8Yhs/Screenshot-2019-06-08-20-59-35-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/PPNS8Yhs)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nXDT3xC3/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-56-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nXDT3xC3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SJ5DLRNX/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-57-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SJ5DLRNX)

Here are two from Air Force including Dover AFB:

(https://i.postimg.cc/w7cjLyk2/Screenshot-2019-07-20-09-33-20-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w7cjLyk2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G4X3gWVs/Screenshot-2019-07-20-09-36-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G4X3gWVs)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 27, 2019, 06:49:38 PM
For real?

(https://i.postimg.cc/nsb3TrJL/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-52-32-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nsb3TrJL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Hr7SQ5FK/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-55-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Hr7SQ5FK)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 27, 2019, 06:51:05 PM
Now here is the bends of bends...

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDpFfGNd/Screenshot-2019-07-27-18-30-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kDpFfGNd)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on July 27, 2019, 06:55:33 PM
JK could sport this frontpiece...
(https://i.postimg.cc/qtJ3kHcL/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-53-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/qtJ3kHcL)

....I could dig this one
(https://i.postimg.cc/K1FKNhW2/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-45-50-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K1FKNhW2)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 02, 2019, 07:36:18 AM
Lids with unique markings and colors:

(https://i.postimg.cc/MMKfhD5x/Screenshot-2019-06-01-11-02-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/MMKfhD5x)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QHWKGVQB/Screenshot-2019-06-01-11-04-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/QHWKGVQB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DSrW0DYn/Screenshot-2019-06-01-11-05-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DSrW0DYn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xk9XzRWH/Screenshot-2019-06-01-18-02-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xk9XzRWH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RqYJDwH5/Screenshot-2019-06-01-18-06-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/RqYJDwH5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RqhndgqL/Screenshot-2019-06-08-21-00-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/RqhndgqL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bdSwdWsW/Screenshot-2019-06-08-21-25-20-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bdSwdWsW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k609xMBZ/Screenshot-2019-06-12-13-31-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/k609xMBZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CZKF063v/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-10-54-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CZKF063v)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tYhRN6dz/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-14-34-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tYhRN6dz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8fLGw8vC/Screenshot-2019-07-11-08-57-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8fLGw8vC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bDDpDSNk/Screenshot-2019-07-16-09-47-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bDDpDSNk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4YPJrTS7/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-43-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4YPJrTS7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8FnTzmDT/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-47-47-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8FnTzmDT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k2qJ15fP/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-54-35-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/k2qJ15fP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HjMTTMNC/Screenshot-2019-07-20-09-40-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/HjMTTMNC)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 02, 2019, 07:44:11 AM
Interesting frontpieces:
(https://i.postimg.cc/XG16nfM9/Screenshot-2019-06-01-18-05-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XG16nfM9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p9Zt6NqG/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-45-18-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/p9Zt6NqG)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PC1H1vZk/Screenshot-2019-07-21-07-40-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PC1H1vZk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Zv9tnWZ2/Screenshot-2019-07-26-12-04-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Zv9tnWZ2)8

(https://i.postimg.cc/8JzV8yY1/Screenshot-2019-07-26-21-57-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8JzV8yY1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zyHC78XN/Screenshot-2019-07-26-21-59-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zyHC78XN)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on August 02, 2019, 07:46:30 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/nXPy12C4/Screenshot-2019-04-15-09-31-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nXPy12C4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N5pqKBtP/Screenshot-2019-04-15-17-55-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N5pqKBtP)



 My FAVORITES.

 If they could only talk, what a story they could tell.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 07, 2019, 09:38:56 AM
After making the leather "War babies" helmet, Cairns and Brother started making composite helmets and tin pots. The tin helmets were common in many cities but were short lived. Here are a few tin pot lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/G9vNNvdc/Screenshot-2019-06-18-13-29-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G9vNNvdc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/9rVSjzQy/Screenshot-2019-07-11-07-36-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/9rVSjzQy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/5Q5RCWnH/Screenshot-2019-08-05-07-51-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5Q5RCWnH)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Mnng9NGL/Screenshot-2019-05-18-07-58-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Mnng9NGL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SjqFmgZX/Screenshot-2019-06-18-07-45-37-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SjqFmgZX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yWPqx05L/Screenshot-2019-07-20-07-53-19-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/yWPqx05L)

(https://i.postimg.cc/K1Cwwfk8/Screenshot-2019-07-21-07-41-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K1Cwwfk8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yhq5WhBM/Screenshot-2019-08-01-22-17-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Yhq5WhBM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJ26jDMX/Screenshot-2019-08-01-22-19-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/fJ26jDMX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/64BDzQ7V/Screenshot-2019-08-05-07-50-52-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/64BDzQ7V)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 811 on August 08, 2019, 05:27:35 PM
Switching to another type of Lid for a moment. At one time FDNY Officers used white dress caps in the warmer months, and blue topped caps in the cooler months. The change date was published on the Orders. Then uniform specs were changed to use white caps all year round. Can anyone tell when this change was made.  I'd guess it may have been in the early 1970s, the O'Hagan years.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 11, 2019, 06:25:40 PM
A couple of old time lids back in the day...

(https://i.postimg.cc/bs71tNY3/Screenshot-2019-07-16-09-48-54-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bs71tNY3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8JzvS7wP/Screenshot-2019-07-16-09-52-04-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8JzvS7wP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XZ85mffz/Screenshot-2019-08-01-22-16-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XZ85mffz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SXq8gTM9/Screenshot-2019-08-01-22-18-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SXq8gTM9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4YpVbkmZ/Screenshot-2019-08-08-12-17-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4YpVbkmZ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 11, 2019, 06:29:47 PM
Switching to another type of Lid for a moment. At one time FDNY Officers used white dress caps in the warmer months, and blue topped caps in the cooler months. The change date was published on the Orders. Then uniform specs were changed to use white caps all year round. Can anyone tell when this change was made.  I'd guess it may have been in the early 1970s, the O'Hagan years.

Yes, you are correct, the officer I believe also wore a gray uniform shirt that changed to white in the summer along with the white bell cap, this was during the O'Hagen years...I believe Memory Master might have some insightful news as I recall he touched on this topic before. "Calling MM...Come in MM!"...

COD John O'Hagen with his winter authorized officer uniform bell cap.

(https://i.postimg.cc/vg0NY6sP/Screenshot-2019-08-11-18-33-13-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/vg0NY6sP)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 811 on August 11, 2019, 10:35:55 PM
Here's another of John T from WNYF 1970-4
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 12, 2019, 09:15:27 AM
Here is a handful of vintage dress uniform bell hats. Interesting to note, they were originally made out of wool with real leather visor. Take a peek;

(https://i.postimg.cc/LgTnkk0K/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-34-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/LgTnkk0K)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cgTvwMzq/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-20-32-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/cgTvwMzq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JDRysdPc/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-29-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JDRysdPc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/LqtY6MB8/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-31-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/LqtY6MB8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/t1Qnjg6c/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-35-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/t1Qnjg6c)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FYJk8SYc/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-41-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/FYJk8SYc)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on August 12, 2019, 05:47:05 PM
Switching to another type of Lid for a moment. At one time FDNY Officers used white dress caps in the warmer months, and blue topped caps in the cooler months. The change date was published on the Orders. Then uniform specs were changed to use white caps all year round. Can anyone tell when this change was made.  I'd guess it may have been in the early 1970s, the O'Hagan years.

Yes, you are correct, the officer I believe also wore a gray uniform shirt that changed to white in the summer along with the white bell cap, this was during the O'Hagen years...I believe Memory Master might have some insightful news as I recall he touched on this topic before. "Calling MM...Come in MM!"...

COD John O'Hagen with his winter authorized officer uniform bell cap.

(https://i.postimg.cc/vg0NY6sP/Screenshot-2019-08-11-18-33-13-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/vg0NY6sP)
Yes, both you gents are correct. Grey shirt & blue cap in winter. White shirt and White cap in summer. Late 60's or early 70's I guess for the switch to all white.  Just for memorabilia sake, you would always see the Battalion Chiefs wearing old white hats while making visits or when operating at minor jobs.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 811 on August 12, 2019, 11:06:50 PM
Also looking at the 2 O'Hagan pix, scrambled eggs on the visor for Staff Chiefs and above may have also happened after 1970.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 13, 2019, 07:13:33 AM
Scrambled eggs...

(https://i.postimg.cc/yWvjK5TK/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-21-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/yWvjK5TK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2VywSwHZ/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-21-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2VywSwHZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZCQLBdgD/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-26-13-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZCQLBdgD)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 15, 2019, 02:25:04 PM
In honor of Ret R2 Lt. Artie Connely, Rest in peace 7/17/19: (photo from 811 collection)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xNv8NTxt/Screenshot-2019-08-15-14-19-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xNv8NTxt)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 17, 2019, 08:01:18 AM
This was the type of uniform dress hat we wore in DCFD, (photo below), looked like an Air Force cap...JohnnyGage top center, 1979

(https://i.postimg.cc/67WhJF4S/Screenshot-2019-08-06-10-36-22-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/67WhJF4S)

Similar types:



(https://i.postimg.cc/RJBF2xNJ/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-22-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/RJBF2xNJ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vxtBs2Vq/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-24-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/vxtBs2Vq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PNWNYJRW/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-31-08-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PNWNYJRW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2VCywYsP/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-36-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2VCywYsP)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 17, 2019, 08:03:13 AM
More dress hats that have seen better days...

(https://i.postimg.cc/w18pVQR3/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-27-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w18pVQR3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rdqL6yJk/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-32-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rdqL6yJk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cvRN5tfh/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-32-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/cvRN5tfh)


Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 17, 2019, 08:06:26 AM
Cop shaped uniform caps...thanks again to 811 for this interesting addition to lids!


(https://i.postimg.cc/TpH9MtJY/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-27-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/TpH9MtJY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gxCHrr7C/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-33-16-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxCHrr7C)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XrGgV9sK/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-35-11-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XrGgV9sK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gxzPQk4P/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-29-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxzPQk4P)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 20, 2019, 01:29:05 PM
Some FDNY frontpieces from back in the day...

(https://i.postimg.cc/zVrg4xbm/Screenshot-2019-05-14-11-19-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zVrg4xbm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jL47TyPD/Screenshot-2019-05-14-11-20-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jL47TyPD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RJcnNHYb/Screenshot-2019-08-08-12-16-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/RJcnNHYb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZWYy50xV/Screenshot-2019-08-11-14-44-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZWYy50xV)

(https://i.postimg.cc/grRhMC0q/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-37-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/grRhMC0q)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on August 20, 2019, 03:50:41 PM
I suppose that the old '233' front piece was from when it was a boat?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 20, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
Did the job use the black frontpice for Marine Co's? When did the job color code the inserts for special units such as Marine, Squad, etc?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 20, 2019, 06:34:11 PM
Check out the font on these frontpieces...

(https://i.postimg.cc/bZkwXpjT/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-59-06-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bZkwXpjT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rdTFM3VL/Screenshot-2019-08-15-10-02-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rdTFM3VL)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 20, 2019, 06:38:23 PM
Another Bronx bend sighting!

(https://i.postimg.cc/3yLMVcW1/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-52-50-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/3yLMVcW1)

Look, you no longer need to bake your lid at 350 degrees for ten minutes to get that salty Bronx bend Hollywood look, all you need to do is just order it!..."one Bronx bend helmet with a five year smoke stained frontpiece to go, please...."

(https://i.postimg.cc/1VQKH9Pj/Screenshot-2019-08-15-10-00-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/1VQKH9Pj)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: t123ken on August 20, 2019, 07:32:53 PM
I suppose that the old '233' front piece was from when it was a boat?
I think that was Engine 223.
As far as I know it was always Brooklyn land Engine 33, 133, and 233.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: ladder197 on August 20, 2019, 08:48:09 PM
Factory “installed” 😂
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 811 on August 20, 2019, 11:44:18 PM
Gage,
Inserts came about 1959, illustration from Oct 1959 WNYF.  Boats got green inserts, prior to that they were black, same as any other Engine Company,
(https://i.postimg.cc/9RsyjfHJ/1959-oct-WNYF-helmet-frontpieces-LR.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9RsyjfHJ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 811 on August 20, 2019, 11:47:40 PM
Fireboat Engine Co. 87
(https://i.postimg.cc/9rCrw9by/E87-front.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9rCrw9by)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 811 on August 20, 2019, 11:52:14 PM
From the archives...WNYF 1947
(https://i.postimg.cc/PNtCPZ2Y/WNYF-1947-badges.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PNtCPZ2Y)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: fdhistorian on August 21, 2019, 01:14:20 AM
I suppose that the old '233' front piece was from when it was a boat?
I think that was Engine 223.
As far as I know it was always Brooklyn land Engine 33, 133, and 233.

223 and 232 were boats

233 was/is a land engine

232 was both a marine and a land engine (at different times)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 21, 2019, 07:31:36 AM
811 and fdhistorian, you gents are the best!...Good factual info, great insightful contributions... love it and thanks!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 811 on August 21, 2019, 06:09:28 PM
I suppose that the old '233' front piece was from when it was a boat?
I think that was Engine 223.
As far as I know it was always Brooklyn land Engine 33, 133, and 233.

223 and 232 were boats

233 was/is a land engine

232 was both a marine and a land engine (at different times)

Fireboat Engine 85 also became a land engine; and, like 232, in a Tin House
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: fdhistorian on August 21, 2019, 07:48:59 PM
I suppose that the old '233' front piece was from when it was a boat?
I think that was Engine 223.
As far as I know it was always Brooklyn land Engine 33, 133, and 233.

223 and 232 were boats

233 was/is a land engine

232 was both a marine and a land engine (at different times)

Fireboat Engine 85 also became a land engine; and, like 232, in a Tin House

Engine 43 and Engine 66 were the other two land engines that started out as fireboats
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 23, 2019, 10:01:01 AM
Some lids from the Great State of Texas;

(https://i.postimg.cc/xcFyx0zg/Screenshot-2019-08-21-09-34-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xcFyx0zg)

From the Big "D";

(https://i.postimg.cc/m1PhtGg2/Screenshot-2019-07-01-22-19-23-2.png) (https://postimg.cc/m1PhtGg2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4nyY8pQk/Screenshot-2019-07-01-22-20-15-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nyY8pQk)

Fort Worth;

(https://i.postimg.cc/NKkGG0kk/Screenshot-2019-07-10-10-23-56-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/NKkGG0kk)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 23, 2019, 10:03:59 AM
Miami FD vintage lid:

(https://i.postimg.cc/8jPsFMsn/Screenshot-2019-06-18-10-07-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8jPsFMsn)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 23, 2019, 10:16:29 AM
Pretty cool unique frontpieces:

(https://i.postimg.cc/5XbnMg3y/Screenshot-2019-05-31-22-27-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5XbnMg3y)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Hrz3WMZ2/Screenshot-2019-06-27-14-07-38-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hrz3WMZ2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gXXKKTYS/Screenshot-2019-07-16-09-46-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gXXKKTYS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XZD8db0B/Screenshot-2019-08-08-12-15-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XZD8db0B)

(https://i.postimg.cc/06NnzNhq/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-36-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/06NnzNhq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hzk1Z1vS/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-45-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hzk1Z1vS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YLQf5LLQ/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-50-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/YLQf5LLQ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 26, 2019, 09:36:06 PM
Here is a nice collection of DCFD frontpieces, years ago the fire dept was referred to FDDC:

(https://i.postimg.cc/NybQkZxH/Screenshot-2019-08-24-22-17-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/NybQkZxH)

And here is a nice lid collection:


(https://i.postimg.cc/BXDsVjgs/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-19-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BXDsVjgs)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 26, 2019, 09:38:21 PM
Who needs these knuckleheads at a job?

(https://i.postimg.cc/mztWNkDv/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-38-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/mztWNkDv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KK9yMBZ7/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-50-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/KK9yMBZ7)

And, if you're retired...why do you need a lid?

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZvNk2Q6j/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-41-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZvNk2Q6j)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 26, 2019, 09:39:46 PM
Couple of old timers...

(https://i.postimg.cc/B87d63gM/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-46-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/B87d63gM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jwGmHhBf/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-46-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jwGmHhBf)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: raybrag on August 28, 2019, 01:23:51 PM
This Rare 1851 Boston Presentation Firemen's Parade Helmet closed at just under $100,000 during the Thomaston Place Auction Galleries  Summer Auction Weekend!!  Photos from the Gallery.

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69218606_2877083565639678_2010213516807503872_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQk7GC7CAngEDY8dFgY06dlLeHKa6olx3lLOgHlbqOEmylkmPTk5nYtWai_5aacPdSo&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=83ae2534710c399f1c393e04d712470b&oe=5E0D3CB3)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69824408_2877088082305893_2907532549737676800_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmkgUOw4QeZPejljEquqpcnu5VFbmdA_A76PMLBRgnAnb4_92sujai6vKLBRUAnXPI&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=778f838f9fdd4b5ab9cad368aaabd44e&oe=5E11AFBC)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69729323_2877088208972547_3586589225950117888_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQkgAUIEW3Ejd3hMI_QzTpG-sKNuL_kjm48VJuTOtkqsL3AkAfA0ERUwcHR-5AKyBt0&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=ff4ffdd889dfd403f2b1ec95decb235b&oe=5E146C55)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69377468_2877087988972569_8031638527701680128_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQnVlm_eAnzWrLdXjGsx8sp2mdUBZjkMY1d-7PkhJlcoKzr9oCY1_tC5lsuPWatmQLc&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=f274ff678c444d62c0e23d0c3124abf9&oe=5E0812DC)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69810176_2877081922306509_1831706545612652544_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQmaBPidQDFdvI0JWBRYQdPLvyzlCHzazz34rpmC1UodrlZZpOVGh0rO-091z6JCZZU&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=1fa415e090c0fc116abac70073a2ec5b&oe=5E092FB6)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on August 28, 2019, 02:03:51 PM
WOWZER RAY, thats a real winner! What a lid! Thanks for sharing the photo, I sure would hate taking out a window with that showpiece!

(https://i.postimg.cc/34PCT7bP/Screenshot-2019-08-28-14-04-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/34PCT7bP)

Love the rooster!

(https://i.postimg.cc/d7CGjg06/Screenshot-2019-08-28-14-06-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/d7CGjg06)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 02, 2019, 07:35:18 AM
I'm excited to add the Chief JK collection. Starting off with his dads helmet:

(https://i.postimg.cc/8sZnb926/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-44-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8sZnb926)


Here are Chief JK's frontpieces:

(https://i.postimg.cc/DJZ1fjB9/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-43-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DJZ1fjB9)


(https://i.postimg.cc/NKcT2fd7/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-43-11-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/NKcT2fd7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7GdJHxCz/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-42-35-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7GdJHxCz)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MX0zK6j8/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-41-10.png) (https://postimg.cc/MX0zK6j8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Fkvmgq8q/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-41-48.png) (https://postimg.cc/Fkvmgq8q)


JK's resume:

(https://i.postimg.cc/gnVbmmr6/Screenshot-2019-09-01-19-44-40.png) (https://postimg.cc/gnVbmmr6)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0bR1Tb5s/Screenshot-2019-09-01-19-45-13.png) (https://postimg.cc/0bR1Tb5s)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 02, 2019, 07:38:00 AM
Chief JK's Chief days collection:

(https://i.postimg.cc/JszX5dWG/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-45-53.png) (https://postimg.cc/JszX5dWG)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wyQD9tKG/Screenshot-2019-09-01-19-45-56.png) (https://postimg.cc/wyQD9tKG)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rRyxs8MF/Screenshot-2019-09-01-19-46-18.png) (https://postimg.cc/rRyxs8MF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Kk2nXPWT/Screenshot-2019-09-01-19-46-45.png) (https://postimg.cc/Kk2nXPWT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PLZmF3Sh/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-46-17.png) (https://postimg.cc/PLZmF3Sh)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 02, 2019, 07:48:51 AM
Chief JK's full size plated helmet and gift plaque:

(https://i.postimg.cc/ctq1kh5q/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-45-18-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ctq1kh5q)

(https://i.postimg.cc/McW9V8WN/Screenshot-2019-09-01-21-40-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/McW9V8WN)

JK's handpainted R2 frontpiece:


(https://i.postimg.cc/gxMZt9Vf/Screenshot-2019-09-01-19-47-13.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxMZt9Vf)


Thanks Chief for sharing your memorabilia to this thread, a wonderful historical contribution and outstanding service to NYC and FDNY, thanks!  The commonality of all the frontpieces is from busy, active fire companies as one can plainly see,  If only those frontpieces could talk...they would cough!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on September 02, 2019, 02:09:38 PM
Very, very nice collection! Thanks for sharing and thanks Dan, er, "Johnny" for posting.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on September 02, 2019, 03:12:01 PM
Thank You for posting these Dan.....With the exception of my proby & my 108 FF Fronts most of the rest were handmade by Sampson Zats ...... the Gold R*2 Front was a gift that was hand painted by a Grand Rapids FF Dave Smith who was also a Sign Shop owner who did lettering & murals on expensive speed boats & many NASCAR racers cars......in 1985 when R*2 moved to Bergen St Dave flew to NY with one of his helpers & his equipment & they completely re lettered our '82 ALF.....he also presented us with a large redwood sign that was both sandblasted & painted with all the names of everybody in R*2 at the time...it still hangs in the FH.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: kidfrmqns on September 03, 2019, 02:06:03 PM
Chief, did you go from Capt of E275 to Capt of L126? I've always heard there is a lot of "friendly rivalry" between the tigers and Merrick Magic.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on September 03, 2019, 04:37:28 PM
I did ...any rivalry was friendly.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 05, 2019, 09:47:32 AM
Love these "War Babies";

(https://i.postimg.cc/HV2jZDZD/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-38-55-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HV2jZDZD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8jDjmPbm/Screenshot-2019-08-26-21-43-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8jDjmPbm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ln1nzCwL/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-07-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Ln1nzCwL)

Interesting shape;


(https://i.postimg.cc/68q6M74n/Screenshot-2019-08-31-21-59-52-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/68q6M74n)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bZ5yWz1M/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-00-11-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bZ5yWz1M)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 05, 2019, 09:50:00 AM
Bronx bend sightings!

(https://i.postimg.cc/ppGnZ5LM/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-57-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ppGnZ5LM)

BLUE BRONX BEND...say that three times fast...

(https://i.postimg.cc/mhrLSXzh/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-59-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/mhrLSXzh)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BtMw3NvW/Screenshot-2019-08-26-21-45-18-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BtMw3NvW)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 05, 2019, 09:52:09 AM
Longest brim...

(https://i.postimg.cc/MMNFVpf7/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-58-16-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/MMNFVpf7)

Very informative brim;

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZWsFCDd3/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-59-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZWsFCDd3)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 05, 2019, 09:57:38 AM
Thìs lid hurts, just to look at it...

(https://i.postimg.cc/jWG1Jj7z/Screenshot-2019-08-26-21-42-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jWG1Jj7z)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: raybrag on September 05, 2019, 11:31:55 AM
Here's a real FIRE helmet. According to the Larchmont Historical Society, these were common in the early 1900s, and were worn in parades to provide illumination.  I'm not knowledgeable enough to say more than "Huh???".  Larchmont Historical Society photo.

(http://lhfc.larchmonthistory.org/files/2015/03/Sweeney20131.jpg)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: fdce54 on September 05, 2019, 11:43:10 AM
Here's a real FIRE helmet. According to the Larchmont Historical Society, these were common in the early 1900s, and were worn in parades to provide illumination.  I'm not knowledgeable enough to say more than "Huh???".  Larchmont Historical Society photo.

(http://lhfc.larchmonthistory.org/files/2015/03/Sweeney20131.jpg)
Ray, is that our boy Willy D under that helmet???
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: raybrag on September 05, 2019, 01:26:29 PM
Can't be.  There's no food.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on September 05, 2019, 02:36:05 PM
^^^^^^ These Helmets could also be used to detect gas leaks.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: raybrag on September 05, 2019, 03:17:45 PM
^^^^^^ These Helmets could also be used to detect gas leaks.

If you're a fan of the "KABOOM" method.  8) ::) 8)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 06, 2019, 04:18:03 PM
NEVER FORGET SEPTEMBER 11. ALL GAVE SOME, SOME GAVE ALL.

Fr. Mychal Judge helmet;

(https://i.postimg.cc/21TPs7Yj/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-38-52-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/21TPs7Yj)


Damaged helmets;

(https://i.postimg.cc/G49W1smk/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-53-04-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G49W1smk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/NyHZKqTF/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-53-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/NyHZKqTF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/pm7gVXm3/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-54-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/pm7gVXm3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/TLvFm7q9/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-12-20-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/TLvFm7q9)

Below; Helmet worn by deceased proby member. I was part of the recovery team for this young man. His dad is a Chief. I had the honor of covering him with American Flag and carrying him in stokes basket from scene. Carrying this young man with me, on the otherside of the stokes was FF Bobby Beddia (E 24) who would be killed later at the Deutsch Building fire just a short distance away.

(https://i.postimg.cc/2VNyyrZb/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-43-56-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2VNyyrZb)


Helmet worn by BC Pfeiffer, first Chief on the scene:

(https://i.postimg.cc/4nV4rqSJ/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-52-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4nV4rqSJ)



Helmet worn by FF Bob Beckworth with President Bush;

(https://i.postimg.cc/pm4LNvRL/Screenshot-2019-09-06-15-21-34-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/pm4LNvRL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WDZbTy16/Screenshot-2019-09-06-15-22-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/WDZbTy16)


FF Chris W. Ladder 5 helmet. Chris is seen carrying Father Judge in an iconic photo pointing to photographers, he is angry at the cameraman taking photos of the deceased Father Judge. ..... I replaced Chris as the Ladder 5 LCC after Chris transferred to work in the Division Office.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XGXLr9t8/Screenshot-2019-08-31-22-09-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XGXLr9t8)


Lt. Mickey K. (E 16), one of 12 members to survive WTC 1 collapse in Stairway B. Mickey said as the crumbling tower was falling on top of him that he wanted "to make myself small and crawl into my helmet".

(https://i.postimg.cc/gxZn2jMZ/Screenshot-2019-05-14-10-40-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxZn2jMZ)


My Ladder 31 helmet that the 9/11 museum requested for display at opening of museum and was on loan for three years..this is the Museums photo used for Youtubes video about the museum. This lid is now home resting on my bureau.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hQ11wMmK/Screenshot-2019-05-03-10-08-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hQ11wMmK)


Ladder 3 Captain Pat Browns helmet;

(https://i.postimg.cc/F71xGbRX/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-52-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/F71xGbRX)


Lest we forget...

(https://i.postimg.cc/gxF6R3LD/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-46-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gxF6R3LD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8ffjfC19/Screenshot-2019-09-06-15-24-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8ffjfC19)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jW858f2B/Screenshot-2019-09-06-15-26-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jW858f2B)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 12, 2019, 02:27:45 PM
Bunch of these frontpieces from a collector on e-bay;

(https://i.postimg.cc/cr622GDB/Screenshot-2019-08-21-09-32-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/cr622GDB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z9PMpbR4/Screenshot-2019-08-21-09-32-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z9PMpbR4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MX3ryrWM/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-01-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/MX3ryrWM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7CrR5GqK/Screenshot-2019-09-12-13-59-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7CrR5GqK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/47JF1D7t/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-00-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/47JF1D7t)

(https://i.postimg.cc/21ZJjFNq/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-00-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/21ZJjFNq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/5j2RQMMW/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-03-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5j2RQMMW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0KjWT7Cy/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-04-06-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0KjWT7Cy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Pp2VVSY7/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-04-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Pp2VVSY7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1fg7MctW/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-06-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/1fg7MctW)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 12, 2019, 02:29:41 PM
Something smells fishy...

(https://i.postimg.cc/jCyLfB6v/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-02-11-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jCyLfB6v)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zV53Fp0N/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-05-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zV53Fp0N)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on September 12, 2019, 05:25:16 PM
^^^ Also your post is reply number 290.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on September 12, 2019, 05:54:12 PM
Looks that that D.C. front piece is not legit so to speak.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on September 13, 2019, 03:59:12 PM
^^^^^ The Badge number 290 questioned above belongs to a Former Member of 103 who went to R*2.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 13, 2019, 04:58:44 PM
^^^^^^Remarkable coincidence, reply #290 and the POSA truck Brother with badge 290. Cool. Somebody should play that number!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 18, 2019, 06:11:06 PM
Some good looking vintage relic lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Bt76BHYY/Screenshot-2019-08-21-17-14-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Bt76BHYY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N5y0JFZg/Screenshot-2019-08-31-22-01-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N5y0JFZg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZWp5mgT2/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-09-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZWp5mgT2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/34J8gxgQ/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-10-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/34J8gxgQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SX4NxrRs/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-13-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SX4NxrRs)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SJwxwqpc/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-05-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SJwxwqpc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/v1v8gVxv/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-37-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/v1v8gVxv)


Anyone have an idea of what this frontpiece means from Motown?

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLjMG0hq/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-39-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jLjMG0hq)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 18, 2019, 06:49:48 PM
103-2 Challenge Coin:
(https://i.postimg.cc/2VZYMSfm/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-16-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2VZYMSfm)

Bottle opener:
(https://i.postimg.cc/GBqnGBvP/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-31-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/GBqnGBvP)

Golden paperweight:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Fd78STrm/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-29-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Fd78STrm)

Car hood ornament:
(https://i.postimg.cc/VSSWBpC7/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-18-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VSSWBpC7)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on September 18, 2019, 09:14:02 PM
Some good looking vintage relic lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Bt76BHYY/Screenshot-2019-08-21-17-14-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Bt76BHYY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N5y0JFZg/Screenshot-2019-08-31-22-01-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N5y0JFZg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZWp5mgT2/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-09-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZWp5mgT2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/34J8gxgQ/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-10-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/34J8gxgQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SX4NxrRs/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-13-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SX4NxrRs)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SJwxwqpc/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-05-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SJwxwqpc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/v1v8gVxv/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-37-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/v1v8gVxv)


Anyone have an idea of what this frontpiece means from Motown?

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLjMG0hq/Screenshot-2019-08-15-09-39-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jLjMG0hq)

Trial Fire Fighter
Detroit's version of a probie.

I acquired three of those 103-2 coins (two for academy classmates), they were made by Lt. Matt Lund, Annapolis Fire Department
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on September 20, 2019, 05:53:11 PM
IAFF Custom Front....     .https://www.ebay.com/itm/IAFF-Leather-Fire-Helmet-Shield-Front/133178230730?hash=item1f020a87ca:g:n~4AAOSwku9dhRNw
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 21, 2019, 02:06:00 PM
These lids and frontpieces from the secret "Need to know" fire dept, and we don't "need to know..."

(https://i.postimg.cc/V5hLSVHR/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-20-13-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/V5hLSVHR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w1X6GTxf/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-20-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w1X6GTxf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PpxTJWW9/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-22-47-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/PpxTJWW9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VSzYQQdY/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-23-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VSzYQQdY)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KKQmmqMt/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-27-32-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/KKQmmqMt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SnFSdz4Y/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-28-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SnFSdz4Y)

(https://i.postimg.cc/F7JF0VMQ/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-28-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/F7JF0VMQ)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 30, 2019, 10:09:10 PM
Cool lid collection;

(https://i.postimg.cc/WtZN69kj/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-34-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/WtZN69kj)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VJKmLp39/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-35-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VJKmLp39)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N5wgN16X/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-35-25-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/N5wgN16X)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B8y32DZX/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-35-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/B8y32DZX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/n9ftPJDx/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-35-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/n9ftPJDx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/68WBKt15/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-36-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/68WBKt15)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQhrmX1K/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-37-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sQhrmX1K)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hJhgJMBk/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-38-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hJhgJMBk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8jBTxj40/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-38-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8jBTxj40)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0r7vJbTy/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-39-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0r7vJbTy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zV5rwqNS/Screenshot-2019-09-24-07-42-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zV5rwqNS)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on September 30, 2019, 10:12:35 PM
Couple of well "planned out" hand painted lids...silver one is from Poland...

(https://i.postimg.cc/dLq2TNWN/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-25-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dLq2TNWN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gx78QzG1/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-25-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gx78QzG1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CR5bcBpj/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-33-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CR5bcBpj)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 04, 2019, 07:41:25 AM
Another collection of old time vintage lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/RJRpM7mC/Screenshot-2019-06-12-13-28-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/RJRpM7mC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CRz0Q1Cn/Screenshot-2019-06-18-16-05-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CRz0Q1Cn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DJKK0P91/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-09-47-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DJKK0P91)

(https://i.postimg.cc/pyH2LPv3/Screenshot-2019-06-27-13-57-33-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pyH2LPv3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QHNhcSHb/Screenshot-2019-06-27-14-03-50-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QHNhcSHb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDv7VLXG/Screenshot-2019-06-27-14-07-08-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kDv7VLXG)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FY8v54GW/Screenshot-2019-07-09-13-11-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/FY8v54GW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hfCgsxmq/Screenshot-2019-07-10-10-14-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hfCgsxmq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Ppznw8H9/Screenshot-2019-07-11-08-58-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Ppznw8H9)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7CzkqWWx/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-06-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7CzkqWWx)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 08, 2019, 07:38:02 AM
Here are some interesting frontpieces...

(https://i.postimg.cc/9DnG3R90/Screenshot-2019-10-05-10-10-13-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/9DnG3R90)
"....is there a letter C?....can I buy a vowel....."


(https://i.postimg.cc/p9VXBqrn/Screenshot-2019-10-04-07-31-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/p9VXBqrn)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k6zJqCcx/Screenshot-2019-10-04-07-32-06-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/k6zJqCcx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CZvMrknr/Screenshot-2019-10-05-09-57-32-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CZvMrknr)



(https://i.postimg.cc/m17s4Hhs/Screenshot-2019-10-05-09-56-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/m17s4Hhs)
First fire dept Entrance exam I took back in 1976. I was list #5, AAC only hired 4 that year and the list expired. Oh well....


(https://i.postimg.cc/fV8kp66v/Screenshot-2019-08-23-10-19-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/fV8kp66v)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jWCCbMTY/Screenshot-2019-10-05-10-09-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jWCCbMTY)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 08, 2019, 07:45:31 AM
Oh oh, looks like somebody "overbaked" the salty look on their lid...
(https://i.postimg.cc/xNNZHJz4/Screenshot-2019-10-05-10-02-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xNNZHJz4)
.....and remarkably not a scorch mark on that flashlight, must be made out of asbestos!.....
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on October 10, 2019, 06:15:37 PM
FRONTS ON EBAY....   https://www.ebay.com/itm/FDNY-SQUAD-2-Captain-Front/123935155194?hash=item1cdb1c63fa
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 10, 2019, 10:24:50 PM
^^^^^Thanks JK, here are the frontpieces, looks like they are being sold by a single collector...

(https://i.postimg.cc/w7xZ4M9T/Screenshot-2019-10-10-22-14-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w7xZ4M9T)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k2zH5yKB/Screenshot-2019-10-10-22-15-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/k2zH5yKB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QFHPszB2/Screenshot-2019-10-10-22-15-32-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/QFHPszB2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QH6P2DMg/Screenshot-2019-10-10-22-15-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/QH6P2DMg)

Here is another collection being liquidated...


(https://i.postimg.cc/YjMsj0Gf/Screenshot-2019-10-05-09-57-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/YjMsj0Gf)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 12, 2019, 10:00:14 AM
Heres a few more frontpieces from the same collector, looks like the collector is looking to "cash in"...

(https://i.postimg.cc/jWBcGtpF/Screenshot-2019-10-05-10-07-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jWBcGtpF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Q95mDvsx/Screenshot-2019-10-05-10-08-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Q95mDvsx)

(https://i.postimg.cc/m1swgV23/Screenshot-2019-10-05-10-09-26-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/m1swgV23)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WqzHvX99/Screenshot-2019-10-05-10-04-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/WqzHvX99)


Here is an interesting insert, anyone have background scoop on it?

(https://i.postimg.cc/t19DbBJh/Screenshot-2019-10-05-09-59-51-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t19DbBJh)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 15, 2019, 09:29:55 PM
October 17, 1966...23rd Street fire
(https://i.postimg.cc/B8yVjZQf/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-20-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/B8yVjZQf)


(https://i.postimg.cc/CdbQKV39/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-17-08-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/CdbQKV39)
Scene of fire, Broadway & W 22nd St.

(https://i.postimg.cc/WhjfFHjz/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-25-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/WhjfFHjz)
Chief Walter Higgins LODD

(https://i.postimg.cc/R3jgMPXM/Screenshot-2019-09-02-10-14-12-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/R3jgMPXM)
Chiefs helmet retrieved, now in FDNY Museum

(https://i.postimg.cc/5QJpz6hT/Screenshot-2019-09-02-09-42-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/5QJpz6hT)
Brothers standing by

Eternal rest and peace, Brothers...To Remember.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 18, 2019, 09:07:01 PM
Few interesting frontpieces;

(https://i.postimg.cc/87rPNhPg/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-47-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/87rPNhPg)


(https://i.postimg.cc/SXFQsJJ2/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-48-06-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SXFQsJJ2)
Note very low badge #


(https://i.postimg.cc/m1tWVsPW/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-49-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/m1tWVsPW)
Beats me?

(https://i.postimg.cc/G4kwXzmt/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-48-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G4kwXzmt)
Listed on e-bay as "Ladder" 78, hmmmm?


(https://i.postimg.cc/hJcF6xXr/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-50-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hJcF6xXr)
Could this be "Frankie the Firefighters" frontpiece?

(https://i.postimg.cc/NKvZ2Tkc/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-50-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/NKvZ2Tkc)
Not buying this one...


(https://i.postimg.cc/2VGnnN4S/Screenshot-2019-10-14-19-33-26-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2VGnnN4S)
Old style...nice.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on October 19, 2019, 07:05:04 AM
I think the "W" front piece may or might have designated a Marine Division Wiper. Just a thought :-\
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: soda-acid on October 19, 2019, 10:21:50 AM
The "Ladder 78" frontpiece is black so it is not from a ladder company. It is probably Engine 78, the fire boat that was at 90 St. & the East River before becoming Marine 5 in 1959.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on October 19, 2019, 11:37:07 AM
On a slightly unrelated note, I was issued my first front piece by the department last night.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on October 19, 2019, 02:13:27 PM
^^^^The LAD*78 Front is a maroon color...  https://www.ebay.com/itm/FDNY-Ladder-78-Helmet-front/123943370550?hash=item1cdb99bf36  ..there was a certain period way back when Cairns used this color in place of a bright red....i have one the same color from an old LAD*108 Front ( not mine but given to me years ago).
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 19, 2019, 03:14:44 PM
I think the "W" front piece may or might have designated a Marine Division Wiper. Just a thought :-\

Thanks Charlie, thats what I was thinking too, but would the Pilot have a P insert ?...(does the pilot have a helmet?)...I guess the firefighters assigned would have the numeral.  Then maybe the W could be upside down and should have been an M... ??? I'm so confused!
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on October 19, 2019, 03:23:09 PM
Thanks Dan. Now I'm totally confused and know how Bay felt when the phone kept ringing.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on October 24, 2019, 06:44:24 PM
Interesting Front... However an unused Front starting at $199. ? ....you could have it made up for less.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/FDNY-Super-Pumper-Captain-Front-Rare-Find/123951184084?hash=item1cdc10f8d4:g:d4AAAOSwrCFdsga6
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 25, 2019, 07:38:05 AM
^^^^^^^^^Here is the frontpiece, listed as JK states for $199. Also mentions "rare"...of course it rare, it's a fake one of a kind!
(https://i.postimg.cc/Lh7dFbCp/Screenshot-2019-10-24-21-56-12-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Lh7dFbCp)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 25, 2019, 07:39:22 AM
Some interesting odd lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/VSHg03bs/Screenshot-2019-08-23-10-21-16-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VSHg03bs)

(https://i.postimg.cc/T5nJS1Nh/Screenshot-2019-10-21-07-20-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/T5nJS1Nh)
This lid for a Philadelphia "Driver".

(https://i.postimg.cc/BLrCMHgd/Screenshot-2019-10-21-07-23-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BLrCMHgd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/0MMfYcpY/Screenshot-2019-10-21-07-24-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/0MMfYcpY)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 25, 2019, 07:44:00 AM
Not ALL Chief helmets had to be white...
(https://i.postimg.cc/vx7Sn0sP/Screenshot-2019-06-01-10-52-35-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/vx7Sn0sP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Tp94YNQ1/Screenshot-2019-06-27-13-50-07-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Tp94YNQ1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zy22TLs1/Screenshot-2019-07-09-13-12-08-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zy22TLs1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HrkPJ0P2/Screenshot-2019-07-10-10-17-06-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HrkPJ0P2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z997Hbmv/Screenshot-2019-08-12-07-34-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z997Hbmv)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on October 25, 2019, 07:51:55 AM
This frontpiece "speaks" to me...I'm kind of fond about it...
(https://i.postimg.cc/rzcP5LDg/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-40-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rzcP5LDg)

"It's a Wonderful life"
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 02, 2019, 07:47:54 AM
Here is the leather "War Baby" version fire helmet:

(https://i.postimg.cc/8F81j441/Screenshot-2019-10-18-07-10-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8F81j441)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1gpy6F7D/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-55-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/1gpy6F7D)


Here is the metal "War Baby" version:

(https://i.postimg.cc/K4dmYF56/Screenshot-2019-10-01-14-57-26-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K4dmYF56)

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDVn9DWN/Screenshot-2019-10-31-18-33-35-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kDVn9DWN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/1VNPKYy7/Screenshot-2019-10-31-18-35-56-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/1VNPKYy7)


Here is the plastic version:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Yj4mVr9Z/Screenshot-2019-09-18-18-21-05-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Yj4mVr9Z)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vDp6wJxB/Screenshot-2019-10-01-14-58-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/vDp6wJxB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nXxjCqkf/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-46-42-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nXxjCqkf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gn8Lzg3K/Screenshot-2019-10-21-07-22-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gn8Lzg3K)


Here is the mold for the plastic "War Baby":

(https://i.postimg.cc/QH8VDjxj/Screenshot-2019-07-27-18-30-54-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/QH8VDjxj)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 02, 2019, 08:00:12 AM
This lid is from the "Central Islip State Hospital" on Long Island, NY. At one time there were three  NY State Psychiatric Hospitals on Long Island that house mentally special needs patients. The complexes were like a small city, some had train stations and powerhouses on the grounds, all had a fire department and firehouse. The State Hospitals were in Kings Park and Brentwood ( Known as Pilgrim State Hospital). Pilgrim was the largest Psychiatric Hospital in the Nation, followed by CISH. All hospitals were closed down and left abandoned for many years.

The hospital fire department did inspections and handled small fires, anything else the local community volunteer fire department responded in on mutual aid.

This is a rare lid!

(https://i.postimg.cc/rdZFq4sT/Screenshot-2019-10-31-18-36-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rdZFq4sT)


CISH FD: During their hey-day

(https://i.postimg.cc/V018R6wG/Screenshot-2019-11-02-09-23-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/V018R6wG)

Abandoned in 1996, then knocked down:

(https://i.postimg.cc/hhS4TyGS/Screenshot-2019-11-02-09-22-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/hhS4TyGS)


KINGS PARK STATE HOSPITAL FIREHOUSE, ABANDONED:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z9SzZnBT/Screenshot-2019-11-02-09-23-46-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z9SzZnBT)


BRENTWOOD PILGRIM STATE HOSPITAL POWERHOUSE AND FIREHOUSE, ABANDONED (the firehouse is at the right, a single garage door).

(https://i.postimg.cc/V0yjZxZH/Screenshot-2019-11-02-09-26-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/V0yjZxZH)



IMAGES OF ABANDONED PILGRIM STATE HOSPITAL:

(https://i.postimg.cc/dZBLRpbC/Screenshot-2019-11-02-09-24-29-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dZBLRpbC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w3cVbvHX/Screenshot-2019-11-02-09-24-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w3cVbvHX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ThX09m82/Screenshot-2019-11-02-09-25-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/ThX09m82)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on November 02, 2019, 04:34:16 PM
"Johnny", Pat Imperato and I put applications in at Kings Park at one time.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 02, 2019, 10:35:09 PM
Just to be clear, was that an application to work...or reside! LOL...

You know Charlie, I was wondering about that, would you have been a state employee? was there a test or just an application?  Was it for "firefighter" or Safety Officer?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on November 03, 2019, 04:49:06 PM
Yes, I suppose I could have resided there, anyway Dan, if I remember correctly as this was about 42 years ago, it was for Fire Fighter. The application was about 15 pages long and the questions were out of this world and had nothing to do with fire fighting. We were told by a Captain that firefighters were also responsible for the on site ambulance and any transports from the State Hospital to a local ER. I guess that would have been Smithtown Hospital. I think the schedule was 48 on and 96 off or something like that. We never heard back and we heard later it was a "who you know" situation.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 04, 2019, 04:00:14 PM
Here are a few vintage FDNY frontpieces:

(https://i.postimg.cc/FYkFHJRS/Screenshot-2019-10-21-07-20-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/FYkFHJRS)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rd6V0F0P/Screenshot-2019-11-04-14-15-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rd6V0F0P)

(https://i.postimg.cc/d78q8PGt/Screenshot-2019-11-04-14-15-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/d78q8PGt)

ENGINE 11 DISBANDED 1957;

(https://i.postimg.cc/YhhMdmQP/Screenshot-2019-10-21-07-19-35-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/YhhMdmQP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dhCvYPHm/Screenshot-2019-11-04-14-14-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/dhCvYPHm)

COVERING CAPTAIN INSERT

(https://i.postimg.cc/VrVHv55S/Screenshot-2019-11-04-14-14-21-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VrVHv55S)

CHECK OUT THE INSIGNIA, FIRST TIME I EVER SAW TWO CROSSED TRUMPETS FOR CAPTAIN

(https://i.postimg.cc/DWmrZ6Gg/Screenshot-2019-11-04-14-13-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DWmrZ6Gg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VSTjbtBc/Screenshot-2019-11-04-14-14-00-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/VSTjbtBc)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on November 04, 2019, 06:09:29 PM
We're the black and red combination patches actually black and red when produced or just black and then the bottom painted red?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on November 04, 2019, 07:21:06 PM
We're the black and red combination patches actually black and red when produced or just black and then the bottom painted red?

 Phil, "Lebby", I believe those red/black inserts were produced that way for "Combo Companies" (Engine and Truck running together as One with One Officer - Captain).

 "Combo 121", "Combo 131", etc
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on November 04, 2019, 10:39:38 PM
Thank you. I knew they were produced for the combination companies but I wasn't sure if they were made in house or commercially.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Comiskey on November 05, 2019, 08:11:51 AM
Johnny Gage....what year are those 3 shield you posted above? Such as the fire factory one?

Thanks
Jeff
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 05, 2019, 02:30:46 PM
Hi Jeff, not sure when the FDNY switched to inserts. There was a discussion about that in one of the threads...perhaps JK or one of the other historians can post the answer for you.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on November 05, 2019, 03:09:03 PM
Hi Jeff, not sure when the FDNY switched to inserts. There was a discussion about that in one of the threads...perhaps JK or one of the other historians can post the answer for you.
1959 or 1960 was the switch to inserts I believe.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on November 05, 2019, 06:38:56 PM
Hi Jeff, not sure when the FDNY switched to inserts. There was a discussion about that in one of the threads...perhaps JK or one of the other historians can post the answer for you.
1959 or 1960 was the switch to inserts I believe.
It may have started in 1959 ? but the complete changeover definitely was in 1960......then awhile later the "new" LT & CPT insert Fronts reverted back to straight Fronts......i feel the whole FF insert type Front is a crock & was a money making thing.... they never should have changed.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: memory master on November 06, 2019, 08:15:38 AM
If my fading memory serves me, wasn't there a small article in WNYF about the front piece changes around that time?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 811 on November 06, 2019, 11:08:16 AM
If my fading memory serves me, wasn't there a small article in WNYF about the front piece changes around that time?

October 1959 WNYF; Got to Reply #257, August 20
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 06, 2019, 03:08:53 PM
From WNYF:
(https://i.postimg.cc/Vd2wfkHC/Screenshot-2019-10-20-07-14-14-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Vd2wfkHC)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on November 06, 2019, 11:52:10 PM
Who wrote the shield numbers on the pre-1959 single piece fronts? They look hand written, were they done by the members themselves?
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on November 07, 2019, 02:30:19 AM
Who wrote the shield numbers on the pre-1959 single piece fronts? They look hand written, were they done by the members themselves?
Originally the Badge numbers on the Frontpieces were stamped on with paint but as they wore off they were re painted by the owner usually for Annual Inspection if needed.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on November 07, 2019, 05:22:03 AM
Thanks Chief, that explains why some look very professional whole other look more DIY.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 08, 2019, 07:30:43 AM
Here are some Philadelphia FD frontpieces...notice the top of the frontpiece, they seem be be chewed by a squirrel, is there a rodent problem in them there firehouses?

(https://i.postimg.cc/8JPC2XRm/Screenshot-2019-10-14-19-33-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8JPC2XRm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FdWKNbG5/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-06-38-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/FdWKNbG5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jnDS5WkW/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-08-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jnDS5WkW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bdrJLMNz/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-10-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bdrJLMNz)

Philly tin lid:

(https://i.postimg.cc/JHZSPMs6/Screenshot-2019-10-31-18-32-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JHZSPMs6)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 08, 2019, 07:38:46 AM
Vintage 'Bahsten' (Boston) lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Zv06SxkX/Screenshot-2019-10-31-18-32-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Zv06SxkX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/D89L9GxY/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-11-58-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/D89L9GxY)

Collection of Boston frontpieces:

(https://i.postimg.cc/tsgGH17W/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-49-33-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tsgGH17W)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2qPsv2G7/Screenshot-2019-11-04-14-16-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/2qPsv2G7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rKVwKwKF/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-03-07-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rKVwKwKF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mhNrLHZ5/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-03-35-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/mhNrLHZ5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/n9xNSr6s/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-05-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/n9xNSr6s)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vxvkJMs0/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-06-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/vxvkJMs0)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8sV5gHGv/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-06-54-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8sV5gHGv)

Another lid...

(https://i.postimg.cc/XXj7Hv4S/Screenshot-2019-06-18-18-17-43-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/XXj7Hv4S)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 11, 2019, 07:21:12 AM
Submitted by JK, here is a helmet from "Eye of the Storm", Brooklyn L 132;

(https://i.postimg.cc/nj61KQsW/Screenshot-2019-11-11-07-14-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nj61KQsW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YLYzdqYC/Screenshot-2019-11-11-07-14-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/YLYzdqYC)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Vd5Kymw4/Screenshot-2019-11-11-07-23-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Vd5Kymw4)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: nfd2004 on November 11, 2019, 08:35:35 AM
Submitted by JK, here is a helmet from "Eye of the Storm", Brooklyn L 132;

(https://i.postimg.cc/nj61KQsW/Screenshot-2019-11-11-07-14-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/nj61KQsW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YLYzdqYC/Screenshot-2019-11-11-07-14-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/YLYzdqYC)

 They say "a picture is worth a thousand words".

 In this case they could write a book.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 1261Truckie on November 11, 2019, 10:30:15 AM
The Eye of the Storm was always a hard working house and had (and continues to have) some great members
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on November 11, 2019, 03:44:59 PM
^^^ The 132 Helmet belongs to RET 235/132 FF / FM Steve Schreck ....the pictures were sent to me by his Son Active FDNY FF Eric Schreck LAD*136 (formerly ENG*308) ...many on here have met Eric & his Dad at some of our Get Togethers .....Eric as many know spent an Enlistment in the US Navy then an Enlistment in the US Army & is now currently serving in the Army National Guard & is a Combat Medic with a high degree of Medical expertise.....an American Military record  to be Saluted especially on this Veterans Day....Eric is third Generation FDNY his Grandfather Steve's Dad was George Schreck RIP an ENG*290 Legend during the '60s & '70s & later a LT in ENG*224 (in between spending some time in BNs*60 & 35 w/Chief Ed Clancy Father of John RIP). 
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 15, 2019, 09:25:29 AM
Heres a handful of some old timers;

(https://i.postimg.cc/svdKZTV8/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-08-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/svdKZTV8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xX9R6qN3/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-11-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/xX9R6qN3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8F5bV3HF/Screenshot-2019-11-13-07-29-54-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8F5bV3HF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/K1Q5wFnS/Screenshot-2019-11-13-07-30-17-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K1Q5wFnS)


LOOK! Now you can carry your lid in a very stylish genuine leather tote...

(https://i.postimg.cc/KRWTMzrY/Screenshot-2019-11-01-09-49-23-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/KRWTMzrY)


Legit?

(https://i.postimg.cc/7CnbmY70/Screenshot-2019-10-31-18-34-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7CnbmY70)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qhBqYVXY/Screenshot-2019-10-31-18-35-09-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/qhBqYVXY)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on November 18, 2019, 07:44:15 PM
^^^ NO.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: 68jk09 on November 18, 2019, 07:44:57 PM
Nice lettering....     https://www.ebay.com/itm/OBSOLETE-Leather-Fireman-Helmet-Front-Plate-Shield-Lieut-BBFD/293337512643?hash=item444c473ac3:g:I28AAOSwADVd0vHO
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 19, 2019, 07:33:47 AM
Good catch JK, ^^^^^^^here is the frontpiece below with a second one with same type lettering.

(https://i.postimg.cc/gnHHShND/Screenshot-2019-11-19-07-27-02-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gnHHShND)

(https://i.postimg.cc/yg0ZJqGP/Screenshot-2019-11-19-07-27-18-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yg0ZJqGP)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: Lebby on November 19, 2019, 10:57:49 AM
Reminds me of the old Chicago fronts with enamel and brass plates
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 20, 2019, 07:51:03 AM
A few Smokey the Bear forestry lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/1fkRVHpy/Screenshot-2019-11-01-09-35-39-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/1fkRVHpy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jDyxH7XP/Screenshot-2019-11-01-09-38-27-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jDyxH7XP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/gwdYN2S5/Screenshot-2019-11-01-09-50-13-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/gwdYN2S5)


Vintage Philly frontpieces, the WSC is Water Supply Company;

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z9YGWBDT/Screenshot-2019-11-17-07-27-31-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Z9YGWBDT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7GfjVvkd/Screenshot-2019-11-17-07-27-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7GfjVvkd)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zLd9Kz9T/Screenshot-2019-11-17-07-28-06-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zLd9Kz9T)


Perhaps the first frontpiece you want to see at a job...or maybe the last you want to see...

(https://i.postimg.cc/QKgmgSHv/Screenshot-2019-11-07-09-07-45-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/QKgmgSHv)


Here is a clever Boston Captains frontpiece, looks like he "added" the second bugle to his former Lt frontpiece, notice the decal off-center. Very clever...that's why he was a Captain I suppose...

(https://i.postimg.cc/DJ0mPzmh/Screenshot-2019-11-19-07-25-24-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/DJ0mPzmh)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 22, 2019, 07:42:48 AM
Some more cool Philly FD tin lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/JDwqM2Yk/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-29-41-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JDwqM2Yk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JG7SfskW/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-29-53-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JG7SfskW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tnktdCq3/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-30-08-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tnktdCq3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8sS2bKkc/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-30-36-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8sS2bKkc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/kDvkYQDc/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-30-52-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/kDvkYQDc)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 22, 2019, 09:09:51 AM
I'm smellin' something fishy here...five frontpieces all with same degree of "added saltiness", hard to make out fire department on top panel on all, same with bottom panel, collection by one owner....Check it out, fishy?

(https://i.postimg.cc/1VPhKYzZ/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-34-34-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/1VPhKYzZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SjpJ5S2m/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-34-50-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/SjpJ5S2m)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GTQ0gJBT/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-35-03-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/GTQ0gJBT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/K4rRh6BB/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-35-19-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K4rRh6BB)

(https://i.postimg.cc/564j4sSG/Screenshot-2019-11-22-07-36-28-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/564j4sSG)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: ladder197 on November 22, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
Probably smell like wood pallets and hay lol.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 25, 2019, 02:26:53 PM
Vintage FDNY L 120 frontpiece. Newer frontpieces have a LIEUTENANT panel.....jkal any idea of previous owner?

(https://i.postimg.cc/G9GqDS9r/Screenshot-2019-11-25-09-21-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/G9GqDS9r)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 25, 2019, 10:00:48 PM
Vintage FDNY Marine Company 1 Engineer frontpiece from JK's collection;

(https://i.postimg.cc/4nTs5Fvw/Screenshot-2019-11-25-20-54-47-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/4nTs5Fvw)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 27, 2019, 07:47:36 AM
Few more FDNY Marine Co frontpieces from another collector in Ohio;

(https://i.postimg.cc/TLqX4Q3W/Screenshot-2019-11-27-07-39-37-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/TLqX4Q3W)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8fpVQW7X/Screenshot-2019-11-27-07-39-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/8fpVQW7X)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jCtT7VM6/Screenshot-2019-11-27-07-40-56-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jCtT7VM6)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 29, 2019, 09:53:20 PM
Two different LA Lids:

(https://i.postimg.cc/9r1xXJ27/Screenshot-2019-07-10-10-15-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/9r1xXJ27)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zyBxyKDP/Screenshot-2019-10-21-07-21-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/zyBxyKDP)

Here are two used by Red Cross:

(https://i.postimg.cc/bs6KVzsW/Screenshot-2019-11-01-09-46-57-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/bs6KVzsW)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GH3WjBhv/Screenshot-2019-11-29-21-39-51-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/GH3WjBhv)

Two more Lids with unusual markings:

(https://i.postimg.cc/q6J5QY0p/Screenshot-2019-10-31-18-34-32-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/q6J5QY0p)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KkrWPb69/Screenshot-2019-11-29-21-39-16-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/KkrWPb69)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on November 29, 2019, 10:02:13 PM
Couple of War Baby helmets from North Shore of Long Island; Roslyn and Port Jefferson:

(https://i.postimg.cc/68btZrr7/Screenshot-2019-11-29-21-37-50-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/68btZrr7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/K35y8Bc8/Screenshot-2019-11-29-21-38-15-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/K35y8Bc8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p5vHvqHS/Screenshot-2019-11-29-21-38-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/p5vHvqHS)

My Hero and a similar lid for Jr Fireman:

(https://i.postimg.cc/w7fj5YHT/Screenshot-2019-10-25-19-23-13-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w7fj5YHT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w11T04T5/Screenshot-2019-10-31-18-38-24-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w11T04T5)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on December 04, 2019, 09:19:45 AM
Here are some pretty cool banged up tin lids;

(https://i.postimg.cc/H8r1xrGK/Screenshot-2019-08-23-10-24-56-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/H8r1xrGK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/23yDTKqw/Screenshot-2019-09-12-14-43-52-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/23yDTKqw)

(https://i.postimg.cc/JGBWCH5H/Screenshot-2019-10-14-19-37-32-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/JGBWCH5H)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3WqHqFmH/Screenshot-2019-11-27-07-40-32-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/3WqHqFmH)


And lookie here, you can protect that trophy lid in this fire helmet box!

(https://i.postimg.cc/jDFgxMqs/Screenshot-2019-11-17-07-28-56-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jDFgxMqs)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on December 06, 2019, 09:22:55 AM
A FEW INTERESTING FDNY FRONTPIECES:

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLXJwdKR/Screenshot-2019-12-06-09-12-34-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/jLXJwdKR)
(Satellite Unit)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mPg1Qf2C/Screenshot-2019-12-06-09-12-55-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/mPg1Qf2C)

(https://i.postimg.cc/rDZ0jnKb/Screenshot-2019-12-06-09-13-48-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/rDZ0jnKb)

TWO FRONTPIECES FROM WEST COAST:

(https://i.postimg.cc/Fd5bvr03/Screenshot-2019-12-06-09-13-22-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Fd5bvr03)
You gotta dig the ax with wings!...

(https://i.postimg.cc/BLTTQrCy/Screenshot-2019-12-06-09-14-30-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/BLTTQrCy)
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: CVILLE 7111 on December 06, 2019, 10:10:40 AM
I'm not sure about that Satellite front piece.  My Dad's had the Stang Monitor decal, and lettering SATELLITE in the middle, LIEUTENANT at the bottom.
Title: Re: VINTAGE FDNY WAR YEAR LIDS
Post by: JohnnyGage on December 11, 2019, 07:57:32 AM
ANOTHER "BRONX" BEND SIGHTING:

(https://i.postimg.cc/7Gy0J1Bb/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-52-49-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/7Gy0J1Bb)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Fdgcyfqp/Screenshot-2019-10-18-20-53-01-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/Fdgcyfqp)


FEW OLD VINTAGE FDNY FRONTPIECES:

(https://i.postimg.cc/sQcQBkQ0/Screenshot-2019-12-02-15-34-40-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/sQcQBkQ0)

(https://i.postimg.cc/w3wR9dd1/Screenshot-2019-12-08-07-42-44-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/w3wR9dd1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/64p7CMC6/Screenshot-2019-12-11-07-47-59-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/64p7CMC6)


FEW DIFFERENT STYLED CHIEF LIDS:

(https://i.postimg.cc/3yWYjzcc/Screenshot-2019-06-27-13-54-21-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3yWYjzcc)

(https://i.postimg.cc/R389gXrV/Screenshot-2019-06-27-13-56-01-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R389gXrV)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tZxbwWyd/Screenshot-2019-07-20-09-44-10-1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tZxbwWyd)