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General Category => Fire Operations => Topic started by: baileyjeff on December 22, 2018, 10:19:23 AM

Title: Ladder 8
Post by: baileyjeff on December 22, 2018, 10:19:23 AM
Why is Ladder 8 so vulnerable for closure?
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: enginecap on December 22, 2018, 11:47:02 AM
Because , unfortunately they donít do much except relocate
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: nfd2004 on December 22, 2018, 11:57:25 AM
Because , unfortunately they donít do much except relocate

  Ladder 8, went to that 3rd Alarm just the other day (12/19) on Mott St.

  They went in as the second due truck on the 2nd alarm.
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: wfd444 on December 22, 2018, 03:11:50 PM
they are a stone's throw from ladders 1 and 10 that's y
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: enginecap on December 23, 2018, 08:46:46 AM
Because , unfortunately they donít do much except relocate

  Ladder 8, went to that 3rd Alarm just the other day (12/19) on Mott St.

  They went in as the second due truck on the 2nd alarm.
Like I said....they donít do much but everyone gets their turn.
I worked a tour there in 2000....the runs and workers had just come out for 1999 and they were around 800.   Iím thinking ďquiet night tourĒ.      Before 7pm we are first due on 4th alarm.  Commercial loft under construction
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: nfd2004 on December 23, 2018, 11:07:30 AM
 "enginecap", Thank you for that story.

 As you know, there are "No Promises Made" to any firefighters working "Any Firehouse", FDNYs Ladder 8 or otherwise. 

 Every time ANY firefighter walks through those firehouse doors, no matter where it is, there are no promises made. September 11, 2001 proved that to the World when without warning, nobody expected those attacks and the loss of so many lives. Lives that are still being taken away because of it.

 As a firefighter from one small dept, I remember what one FDNY Firefighter once told me. He said to me; "no matter how many fires a firefighter fights, the smoke and heat is still the same".

 I WASN'T a part of it when it happened, but I have a good friend who is a retired firefighter from that same small city. He was one of only Two Firefighters, himself severely injured, to survive what was reported only to be a truck on fire. That truck fire took the lives of FOUR of his Brother Firefighters as well.

 Today there are many people who depend on the firefighters of FDNYs Ladder Co 8. Maybe even MORE people than the entire city that I worked for.
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: 8060rock on December 23, 2018, 11:47:49 AM
Hear! Hear! Willy D
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: 1261Truckie on December 23, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
Many years ago (back in the early 70's I think) there was a scaffold incident right at the corner of Broadway and Wall St. Scaffold was stuck between floors and was at a precarious angle. While units were working their way up to the incident via the interior of the building, 8 Truck was outside preparing for an exterior rescue attempt, complete with a scaling ladder, if that became necessary.
Just goes to show that regardless of "annual statistics", you never know when the feathers are going to hit the fan.
As a side note, stopped by 8 Truck after the "Celebration 125" in 1991 with children and we were treated to a wonderful tour of the "Ghostbuster Firehouse". Great group of guys working that day and their collection of melted phones was very impressive.
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: 4 truck on December 23, 2018, 08:12:17 PM
Theyíre also known as reloca8
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: enginecap on December 23, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
All good stories, but the original question was ď why are they vulnerable ď.   They donít run much, they rarely go to fires of any consequence , they donít do CFRD runs and they are a single company.  Eliminate 30 personnel and eliminate upkeep of the building.....possibly sell it for ten million. 
Itís all bullshit obviously....none of us want to see a house closed
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: wfd444 on December 23, 2018, 09:36:10 PM
it will go to hudson yards new firehouse as ladder 8 and engine 7 will move to n moore firehouse
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: enginecap on December 24, 2018, 12:13:41 PM
Why?   Where is 1 truck going?
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: JOR176 on December 24, 2018, 01:33:57 PM
Some years back I heard a rumor that L8 was being looked at to move in with E91 on E.111St. to cut the running and work of L26 & L43,anyone else hear that.
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: wfd444 on December 24, 2018, 04:41:58 PM
eng 17 closed cuz it was a stone's throw from eng 15; eng 36 closed similarly too close to eng 35. 261 too close to 260 etc etc.....ladd 8 is too close to ladd 1 and will eventually be moved or absorbed into some other unit like eng 208 became eng 167 and 204 became 168...
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: 4 truck on December 24, 2018, 11:40:51 PM
Where are you hearing all this info from ???
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: baileyjeff on December 25, 2018, 12:51:17 PM
Ladder 8 moving to Hudson Yards makes complete sense, but why move Engine 7 to N. Moore Street?
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: 1261Truckie on December 25, 2018, 01:53:41 PM
An FDNY presence in Tribeca, and continued use of the house they just spent so much money updating
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: Joeyengine on December 25, 2018, 06:49:17 PM
Fyi Engine 204 never became Engine 168....the only thing Engine 168 had at the time was ex 204s rig because there was no other rigs to give to the new company..Eng 168 opened up in the Rossville section of Staten Island sue to the fact of minimal fire coverage in that area..and that was exposed when a 5 alarm fire broke out 2 months before Engine 168 was organized..the city..the job..the people noticed a need for coverage so everyone rallied for a new engine in that area..( I happen to work there as well)
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: manhattan on January 02, 2019, 01:10:47 AM
And how much taxpayer money will it take for the City to buy land in one of Manhattan's most expensive areas to construct a new firehouse?  And why didn't the Hon. Mr. Bloomberg and his business partner/sidekick, Mr. Davidoff (who left city government to become an executive with the developers), grasp the very easily understood concept that a new firehouse and a new police precinct would be parts of critically necessary infrastructure of their re-zoning efforts in Chelsea?  And look for the two remaining five story buildings  on Tenth Avenue between 34th and 35th Streets housing very long-term, local, small businesses to be kicked out when the city buys their land at below market rates (eminent domain?) for the firehouse.

Oh, maybe so many bucks to be made....????
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: 68jk09 on January 02, 2019, 07:23:45 PM
^^^^^^^  Very true .
Title: Re: Ladder 8
Post by: tem217 on January 03, 2019, 12:01:58 AM
E204 did not become E168
however
E208 did become E167
I don't know how we got off track from topic of L8