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FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« on: June 13, 2012, 09:58:18 AM »
From WW II WNYFs - Marine Division facts:

1.  Following Pearl Harbor, NYC fireboats patrolled the harbor area 24/7.  They only returned to their berths to change crews and fuel.
2.  Per US Navy guidance, fireboats were painted over in Navy gray.
3.  Fireboats assisted in U Boat harbor security screens.
4.  Vessel codes were used to dispatch fireboats to incidents related to large troop and cargo ship incidents - reports were completed by phone after jobs - radio silence was enforced for security.
5.  Most of the logistical support for the war came from NYC harbor areas - for security, the busy harbor operated in black-out restrictions at night
6.  Half our troops and 1/3 of all war supplies departed through NYC harbor - ammunition ships, fuel supply ships were constant major incident threat - numerous ship fires took place and were down-played for security reasons.
7.  The SS El Estro fire, for example, a "potential atom bomb, was defused by FDNY fireboat crews and the US Navy - all crewmembers were decorated
8.  A Manhattan Beach summer resort area was taken over by the Coast Guard, during WW II part of the US Navy, and 180,000 were stationed there by 1942 with 24 fireboats to assist FDNY
9.  Ship convoys leaving for Europe were "spread-loaded" due to submarine attacks - the result was that all cargo ships could be loaded with explosives, ammunition and other hazardous materials without markings
10. Ferquently, ships in the vicinity of NYC with on-board fires would head for NY harbor for FDNY and Coast Guard help
11. NYC military facilities to protect included: 
         - NY Port of Embarkation (NYPE) facilities and piers, which moved over 3,000,000 troops and 63,000,000 tons of supplies.  NYPE had its own fire units.
         - Brooklyn Army Base, 1st Ave and 58th St Bklyn - "largest warehouse in the world" - 48 acres of logistical supplies
         - Brooklyn Navy Yard
         - Bush Terminal - 29th St to 46th St Bklyn - 100s of ships, 1000s of railroad cars and trucks were unloaded weekly
         - Staten Island Terminal, Stapleton - 400,000 sq ft of storage space and tracks for 250 railroad cars
         - Floyd Bennett Field, Jamaica Bay - 750 weekly flights of military personnel and cargo
         - North River terminal, 12th Ave and 46th St - 7 large piers for embarcation (troop departure) and debarcation (troop return)
         - Craven Point NJ - ammunitions and explosive storage
         - Howland Hook terminal, Staten Island - petroleum storage to support war
         - Fort Hamilton, Fort Wadsworth, Fort Totten, Governor's Island, Miller Field and other NYC military bases located along NYC waterfront
12. Many serious incidents, collisions, barge fires and ship fires ocurred with little publicity due to war security
13. FDNY fireboats were called outside NYC harbor area to assist with fires, explosions and emergencies - a submarine net was in place across the entrance to the harbor - fireboats had to pass through security check points to enter and leave
14.  FDNY crews were shorthanded during WW II with large number of members serving in military 
             


1942 Normandie fire:

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FDNY Marine Division - World War II
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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2012, 10:11:31 AM »
Brooklyn Navy Yard WW II:
Brooklyn Navy Yard commissioning of USS Independence carrier


Normandie Fire 1942:
The USS Lafayette/SS Normandie Fire 1942

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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 10:21:31 AM »
Site with pictures and history of old NYC airports - military airports from WW II era included:

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/NY/Airfields_NY.htm
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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 10:56:02 AM »
The US Maritime Service Training Station at Sheepshead Bay was established in 1942 and trained 30,000 members of the Merchant Marine each year for WW II.  It is not the site of Kingsborough Community College.

http://www.usmm.org/sheepsheadbay.html
http://www.usmm.org/usms.html

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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 10:57:56 AM »
Thanks Mack.  Great stories.


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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 02:05:50 PM »
Great info except for the carrier USS Independence that was built after the Korean War. ;)

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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 04:24:56 PM »
Thanks Gman.  The carrier video represents some of the Bklyn Navy Yard activities but it is hard to find much in the way of pictures taken during the war itself.  Must have been tight security restrictions.

This is a list of all the ships launched fron the Bklyn Navy Yard:  http://www.columbia.edu/~jrs9/BNY-Ships.html  Several battleships during the war years.  By the way, the USS Constellation aircraft fire in 1960 was a serious incident with 50 workmen killed, but many rescued by FDNY.

1960 Constellation fire - Bklyn Navy Yard:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/21/nyregion/21nyc.html?_r=1

USS-Constellation-Fire-1960-12-22[www.savevid.com].mov
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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 06:37:05 PM »
To Guitarman I have the utmost respect for your posts, especially my Grizzly brothern upset with imports. But: USS Independence CVL-22 later Cv-22 commisioned 1-14-43. Active with air ops against Rabaul. Again G-Man I am not walking on your info, you have forgotten more than I will ever learn.GG Grumpy Grizzly cousin 1/ imports 0. Whoorah
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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2012, 07:36:00 PM »
Very fascinating information Mack.  Thank You for posting it.

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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 10:32:06 AM »
To Guitarman I have the utmost respect for your posts, especially my Grizzly brothern upset with imports. But: USS Independence CVL-22 later Cv-22 commisioned 1-14-43. Active with air ops against Rabaul. Again G-Man I am not walking on your info, you have forgotten more than I will ever learn.GG Grumpy Grizzly cousin 1/ imports 0. Whoorah
  The USS Independence that is shown on the video si CVA-62 commisioned Jan. 10, 1959. It ss a Forrestal Class carrier, over 1000 ft. long with a canted flight deck: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/i1/independence-v.htm

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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 12:38:39 PM »
G-Man is right.  Four more clues from the video:

1.  Narrator says she's a Forrestal-class carrier.
2.  Look for the '58 Cadillac limo and '58 Plymouth pierside at 0:18.
3.  Mrs. Thomas Gates (wife of SecNav in 1959) christened her.
4.  Finally, in the beginning credits, the Universal International (UI) logo is shown.  That company didn't exist in  WWII.
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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2012, 04:46:09 PM »
G-man is right, CVL-22 was a light carrier. Should have paid more attention to the information presented  :-[ :-[ :-[
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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2012, 06:23:57 PM »
G-man is always right.

By the way -
1.  The first USS Constellation was a frigate which was decommissioned in 1853.

2.  The second USS Constellation, a sloop-of-war, was built in 1854:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constellation_(1854)

3.  The third USS Constellation was the Kitty Hawk-class supercarrier shown in the video:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constellation_(CV-64)

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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2012, 06:44:11 PM »
Grumpy redemption: name the oldest US commissioned warship :) :)
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Re: FDNY Marine Division - World War II
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2012, 06:57:24 PM »
That's too easy, Grump.  It's "Old Ironsides", the USS Constitution, a 44-gun frigate built in 1797, and still in commission in the US Navy.  See:

http://www.history.navy.mil/ussconstitution/history.html

BTW:  Mack is correct; NEVER question the G-Man . . . you'll lose. ;) ;)
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