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The Chicago Fire Department has accepted delivery of 5 2011 Spartan Crimson 103' rear mount aerials. The assignments are T-9 (E-11), T-31 (E-64) T-51 (E-84) T-56 (E-89) and T-59 (E-15). With these deliveries the oldest front line aerials are 1996 Seagraves @ T-61 and T-62.
 
Two truck companies, Truck 31 on the South side and Truck 9 on the North side have their units in service. However these units have RED abd BLUE lights on the rear of the rig, ehich is a change from RED and YELLOW. Is this a NFPA change :) :)
 
grumpy grizzly said:
Two truck companies, Truck 31 on the South side and Truck 9 on the North side have their units in service. However these units have RED abd BLUE lights on the rear of the rig, ehich is a change from RED and YELLOW. Is this a NFPA change :) :)
FDNY is also doing this on their new rigs.  Studies have shown that the flashing blue lights stand out better because all the red and yellow lights on other vehicles.  New York State had to pass special legislation to allow it.  I don't think it is a NFPA standard yet.
 
grumpy grizzly said:
Two truck companies, Truck 31 on the South side and Truck 9 on the North side have their units in service. However these units have RED abd BLUE lights on the rear of the rig, ehich is a change from RED and YELLOW. Is this a NFPA change :) :)

There MUST be something more important about these new rigs worth noting......every reply thus far has to do with colored lights.  If you took every colored light off a fire truck......it would still be a fire truck and be able to perform it's task.

Is there anything related to firefighting worth noting with Chicago's rigs?
 
There are very few TDA's around anymore in this area. Ironically my town, Cicero, has a 2010 E-One.
 
This is just a new development with CFD rigs. Other individuals on other sites I frequent had questions about this, I figured I would go to the pot of all knowledge. JohnnyBopp, these people on this site have forgotten more than you will ever learn  :)
 
grumpy grizzly said:
This is just a new development with CFD rigs. Other individuals on other sites I frequent had questions about this, I figured I would go to the pot of all knowledge. JohnnyBopp, these people on this site have forgotten more than you will ever learn  :)

First off, you don't know anything about me.

Second; hopefully they forgot the stuff about lights, sirens, striping and other things that fall really far down on the list of important things on a fire apparatus.


 
JohnnyBopp said:
grumpy grizzly said:
This is just a new development with CFD rigs. Other individuals on other sites I frequent had questions about this, I figured I would go to the pot of all knowledge. JohnnyBopp, these people on this site have forgotten more than you will ever learn  :)

First off, you don't know anything about me.

Second; hopefully they forgot the stuff about lights, sirens, striping and other things that fall really far down on the list of important things on a fire apparatus.

What is so bad about posting info about Chicago rigs and how the lights changed? I didnt see you up in arms in the FDNY Rescues post when there were multiple replys about the rear lights being blue. Correct me if im wrong but no where on this forum it has explicit guide lines on what we can and cant post, and what is important and not important, i find this intresting, if i read this correctly this is a first for the city of Chicago, and i enjoy knowing this. So thanks Grump for posting this, i found it intresting.
 
Haggerty said:
JohnnyBopp said:
grumpy grizzly said:
This is just a new development with CFD rigs. Other individuals on other sites I frequent had questions about this, I figured I would go to the pot of all knowledge. JohnnyBopp, these people on this site have forgotten more than you will ever learn  :)

First off, you don't know anything about me.

Second; hopefully they forgot the stuff about lights, sirens, striping and other things that fall really far down on the list of important things on a fire apparatus.

What is so bad about posting info about Chicago rigs and how the lights changed? I didnt see you up in arms in the FDNY Rescues post when there were multiple replys about the rear lights being blue. Correct me if im wrong but no where on this forum it has explicit guide lines on what we can and cant post, and what is important and not important, i find this intresting, if i read this correctly this is a first for the city of Chicago, and i enjoy knowing this. So thanks Grump for posting this, i found it intresting.


In an effort to be more constructive, I'll elaborate.  There isn't anything inherently WRONG with an interest in lights/sirens ect. ect.  I like a shiny new rig as much as the next guy.  What I take issue with is the extent to which they're often discussed.  I think that the focus is on the wrong attributes of a new piece of apparatus.  Anything you need to know about lights can be seen in a photo.  How about it's operational capabilities?  How is it going to make the lives of the men, who operate and ride in that apparatus everyday, safer?  What about it will make their lives easier and help to make them more effective when performing their jobs at an emergency.

It just irks me that we have a thread about new apparatus and not one post pertains to a topic other than emergency warning systems.  I felt the same way about the Rescue posts.
 
I really don't want to start a pissing contest here, but I'd like to say a couple of things:

1.  Johnny:  If you don't like or aren't interested in a particular posting, the answer is simple:  Don't read it.
   
2.  Your 1st complaint came after just 2 postings about lights:  the 1st noted the change from yellow to blue and asked if this was a new NFPA standard.  The 2nd said that studies have shown that blue is easier to see (thus making the firefighters and their rig SAFER).  If just 2 comments like this set you off, I think perhaps you're a little too sensitive . . . especially since the postings concerned, at least indirectly, what you say you're interested in (safety).

You're a new guy in this forum.  I'd suggest you chill a bit and just enjoy what you see that you like, and ignore what you don't.
 
raybrag said:
You're a new guy in this forum.  I'd suggest you chill a bit and just enjoy what you see that you like, and ignore what you don't.


Gimme a break....this isn't the kitchen table....we don't speak based on seniority.  If I got something to say, I'm gonna say it.
 
Good God! When I started the post about red/blue lights I was trying to get some info. You are correct, this is the first time a CFD rig has red/blue lights. When one of the new rigs went into service the first comment was red/blue lights, we look like a suburban rig! I personally think that the red/blue combination is more of an attention getter. Illinois State Police run red/blue and it does get your attention. On a lighter note I was checking out some apparatus sites and a manufacturer of aerials has placed BLUE lights along the ladderway of the aerial. JBoop, does that count as a safety consideration? ;D ;D
 
JohnnyBopp said:
Gimme a break....this isn't the kitchen table....we don't speak based on seniority.  If I got something to say, I'm gonna say it.
It's just too bad you don't realize what is important to firefighting.  Getting the firefighters to and from the scene is just as dangerous and maybe more so in some situations as fighting the actual fire.  If you can't get them there safely they are going to be much use to you when they get there.  Many of the new advances in recent years have to do with firefighter safety more than fighting fires, that technology haven't really changed much, you still have to put the wet stuff on the hot stuff!  If you really believe in safety then look at what is being done to promote it, not everything else.  In this case the New Chicago apparatus is striving to be safer getting to the scene as demonstrated by the lighting changes, changes that affect how they will fight fires are obviously secondary or we would be talking about them.  Maybe if you are around awhile you will realize things like this.
 
Hey, Grump . . . don't Chicago rigs also have a GREEN light on the front?? ::) :eek: ;D
 
Yes the chaffeurs's side is red, the officers side is green. This has something to do with a chief who had some history with the maritime If I had known this would have caused this much grief I would have kept my mouth shut. Maybe I should reitire from this site and make a lot of people happy
 
grumpy grizzly said:
If I had known this would have caused this much grief I would have kept my mouth shut. Maybe I should reitire from this site and make a lot of people happy
Don't you dare reitire!  The only person your post bothered was the rookie!
 
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