FDNY/NYPD : 'Why Can't We All Just Get Along?' - R.King

What was done here by a few, is an EMBARASSMENT to ALL Police Officers and Firefighters. For all the good they do every day and every hour of the day, foolish, childish acts like this drags every member of the emergency services through the mud. And although all the life saving work done by these members are unfortunately quickly forgotten, incidents like this are NOT quickly forgotten.

  About the only comment that any of them should say is that "they are sorry for making complete idiots out of themselves and their departments, and it won't happen again".

  The other very sad thing about this incident is that the crowd cheered them on as this was going on. A perfect example of some of the misfits and general behavior of society today.
 
nfd2004 said:
What was done here by a few, is an EMBARASSMENT to ALL Police Officers and Firefighters. For all the good they do every day and every hour of the day, foolish, childish acts like this drags every member of the emergency services through the mud. And although all the life saving work done by these members are unfortunately quickly forgotten, incidents like this are NOT quickly forgotten.

  About the only comment that any of them should say is that "they are sorry for making complete idiots out of themselves and their departments, and it won't happen again".

  The other very sad thing about this incident is that the crowd cheered them on as this was going on. A perfect example of some of the misfits and general behavior of society today.
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Beautifully said.
 
I obviously wasn't watching the game nor know what happened but brawls like this happen all the time in hockey!  It doesn't matter if the teams are professional, amateur, kids or whatever, it's just part of the game!  I think maybe more is being read into this than needs to be.
 
Bulldog said:
I obviously wasn't watching the game nor know what happened but brawls like this happen all the time in hockey!  It doesn't matter if the teams are professional, amateur, kids or whatever, it's just part of the game!  I think maybe more is being read into this than needs to be.
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I agree with bulldog here..its hockey it happens all the time in hockey, there is usually a fight or two in this game every year not always a brawl but there is always a fight or two. Its hockey and its a rivalry that has been present for many years.
 
firstdue said:
Bulldog said:
I obviously wasn't watching the game nor know what happened but brawls like this happen all the time in hockey!  It doesn't matter if the teams are professional, amateur, kids or whatever, it's just part of the game!  I think maybe more is being read into this than needs to be.
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I agree with bulldog here..its hockey it happens all the time in hockey, there is usually a fight or two in this game every year not always a brawl but there is always a fight or two. Its hockey and its a rivalry that has been present for many years.
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But you wouldn't expect that from professional emergency responders. Yes, from the hockey pro's because it is part of the game. Still doesn't make it right for either as it serves absolutely no role model for others, especially the young, to follow. JMHO
 
I have been debating on weather or not to say something about this but I was at the game on the fd bench as I am a player for the team. The reason for the fight was in response to a pd player swinging his stick like a baseball bat an striking one of my teammates in the back of his head.  Remember ex nhler Marty McSorley Donald Brasher incident a few years ago.  It was the same thing that's what everyone is failing to mention I don't know about you but I was taught to stick up for your teammates and most importantly stick up for your brothers  Yes I do agree probably wasn't the best thing for the public perception. But the actions of the one pd player sparked this whole fight.
 
4 truck said:
I have been debating on weather or not to say something about this but I was at the game on the fd bench as I am a player for the team. The reason for the fight was in response to a pd player swinging his stick like a baseball bat an striking one of my teammates in the back of his head.  Remember ex nhler Marty McSorley Donald Brasher incident a few years ago.  It was the same thing that's what everyone is failing to mention I don't know about you but I was taught to stick up for your teammates and most importantly stick up for your brothers  Yes I do agree probably wasn't the best thing for the public perception. But the actions of the one pd player sparked this whole fight.
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I agree I have played hockey since I was old enough to skate and played all the way up to a pretty competitive level. When something like that happens on the ice the first guy next to the offender grabs him, sometimes it's as simple as two guys squaring off other times like this instance when the offense is way beyond something that should EVER happen on the ice it generally starts a chain reaction. I was not at the game but from the video I saw it appeared the majority of the pd bench emptied first, should the bench empty... No but when it does you empty yours as well wither you want to or not. Are you gonna watch your buddy go three on one ? I defiantly do not think this should have happened but place blame where blame is due, with the guy who started it. 
 
I refuse to watch these stupid videos. That nonsense is nothing but embarrassing. Yeah, I play hockey too. I watch hockey, too. Whatever. You represent your department at a charity event in front of friends and family and children. Great job. You guys made national news fulfilling a dumb stereotype. You know what I heard all about today? Not the cops hurt in Brooklyn, but about the giant brawl at the charity hockey game. Awesome.
 
what should be said is that the same instincts we used at the hockey game were the same instincts we used in coney island.
 
This game has been played over the last 41 years.  I went to every game from 1983-2000 and a few since.  This is nothing new.  Brawls used to break out in the stands and parking lot, I even remember cops setting FD jerseys and shirts on fire in tge stands. Much has calmed down since 2001, but its still hockey and fighting is bery much part of the game.  In the 80s there was a fight every other play it seemed. 

Charity or not, someone takes a baseball swing at one of your teammates, its hockey, so you correct that swing with your fists.  Chances are, next year will be packed, which means moee money for the charity because of this game.  There's nothing to be embarassed about, ther just people who need to dismount their high horses and quit being so upity.  Bith depts still get the job done and that was seen the day of the game in Coney Island.  There is much to do over this fight because we are both in works for contracts.....the cheap shot is from the media, not from what happend on ice.
 
I know I'm just some "Hick" from Connecticut and I've never been to one of these hockey games that are played for charity. But I just can't believe that so many people think this is all part of the act. It almost reminds me of the "gang member attitude". And as was pointed out, maybe next year there will be more money made because people want to pay and see, not a hockey game, but a brawl between the The Bravest and The Finest. And next year, if one or two of the Brothers get seriously hurt because of this, "I guess that's just the way it goes". "All part of the game". "Maybe we can out do last year".

  I have to think that I am not the only one who thinks like this. Every one of those hockey players, whether FDNY or NYPD, puts their neck on the line every single time they go to work. For every one of you, from either side, there's no promises of going home when your tour is over. Other than maybe the Military, there's probably no other group of people that can relate to that. Even professional hockey players can't relate to what you do. Every one of you protect the largest population in the country. And you work in a city where anything can happen in any moment. That was proven to the entire world on 9/11.

What if things had turned out different ? What if there was no brawl ? Everybody had a great time and a lot of money was made for the charity. The hockey players from both sides walked out together as Brothers. Would people have any less respect for you ? Well maybe some because they didn't get to see the unscheduled fight they paid for. They didn't get to see somebody get their ass kicked. Maybe instead of selling tickets for a hockey game, tickets should be sold to see an all out brawl between the cops and firefighters. I'm sure that would make money for the charity, no doubt about that. Kind of like a cock fight only instead of in some seedy basement, in a huge open coliseum. 

  I'm just one individual "on the outside looking in". Instead of "Fighten', you should be "Uniten'. There's no need to prove who's the toughest. We already know how tough each guy is. You've already proven that. I'm not a preacher and I'm certainly not your boss. Just a guy, who as a small city retired firefighter, who has always had the highest respect for what you do. 
 
as an 82 year old, soon to be 83, I agree with Truck4 and nfd2004. We have a society today that thrives on sensationilism fired by media hype. so, lets drop this subject and get back to what this web site is all about. Most importantly please keep your prayers going for both the police officers and their families. Just a few words from some one probably old enough to be a grandfather to most of you. For any who might be curious as to where I come from I was a buff and then Aux. Fireman with Engine Co. 225 from early forties through late sixties, am a past Chief of the Spring Valley NY fire dept, a retired police Sergeant from the Village of Haverstraw, NY police dept. U.s. Navvy 50-54 and U.S. Merchant Marine, Radio Officer, on the Sea lift to Vietnam in the mid to late sixties. I came to this web site because of what it is and stands for and want to see it continue that way.
 
Thank You Lt., for Your Years of Dedicated & Brave Service.

As for the discussion here; (which I started & thought would lead to some
Good-Hearted Banter - ya' Never Know what you'll get), I am reminded of a line
from an Old Favorite from Credence Clearwater Revival :

'Always down for some Good Conversation - Isn't Important what you say...'  8)

BTW: I don't agree w/ Comments about 'Media' Coverage; ( although i don't
particularly care for it), This Game is a 'Media Event'. Brave Public Servants engaged in a
competitive Sports Contest, in a Very Public Setting. Therefore 'Fair-Game' for
whatever Media Coverage follows. Like it or not, these teams need to be Mindful of That as they take The Ice.
Having played Hockey as a lad, I personally understand what can transpire during the 'Heat of Battle'. But, a 'Bench-Clearing' brawl... Truly Amateur Night. Let the guys on the Ice Work It Out.
The NHL, its Minor League Affiliates, and Many Semi-Pro Leagues provide stiff Penalties for being
'3rd Man-In', in a fight. Maybe FDNY/NYPD Hockey should make similar arrangements including
Ejection, Suspension (Hockey), and Fines Payable to Charity. 
 
Hi Stajo,  no thanks needed my friend, and that Fines to Charity sounds like a winner to me. Have a great day,
 
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