2/5/25 Manhattan 4th Alarm Box 1588

FDNYSTATENISLAND said:
Wondering the same. Looks to be 59/30, but it’d be a border box because 69/28 look just as close. I’m pretty sure I heard L30 be redirected into this box.
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L30 was redirected from a stuck elevator

E59 was on EMS box 1477 on 125 street for which they gave a 10-91.

E69 was also on an EMS run for box 1606 and got a 91.

Both engines were assigned and replaced E60 which was responding 3rd due.

4&2 ended up responding on the initial which was a call for smoke in apt 5A of 110 W 139th street.

And on top of ALL THAT - Engine 35 ALSO took a 10-91 and was assigned AGAIN replacing E60 which was assigned as the extra engine.

From all this (assuming this is a 3rd or 4th due box for E35) 3/4 of the engines normally assigned on the 10-75 for box 1588 were initially on EMS runs.
 
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FDNYSTATENISLAND said:
I think just because a dept. like ours already has 1-2 TLs on the box normally so this is reserved for special cases or when it’s not possible due to apparatus positioning to get a TL in place. Other depts. without TLs, which seem to be a lot of the country, as you said, can use this just as effectively. Just my opinion
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Just my opinion having worked both and flowed water from both. Aerials flowing at certain angles with a ff on the tip direction the stream are extremely uncomfortable. It kills.your knees chest and anything else that ends up leaning on the lungs. Usually at low angles. Even with the built in fold down steps we had on ours. And everything gets caught at somepoint on the beams. Ours was prepped so all we had to do was hook a 5 inch into our intake on the tail board or worse case scenario run it thru our pump. Technically your usually advised against extending or retracting the aerial while someone was on it. Usually so they don't lose fingers or toes if the aerial has to be extended or retracted and your fingers get caught between rungs. So a tower is much safer in that regards also. I dont think FDNY and some one may correct me if im wrong has a person at the tip. But extending or retracting an aerial with charged supply hose presents its own issues, with moving, kinking, and and possibly throwing the aerial balance off.
Towers a lot more comfortable at any angle.

Realistically both will flow the same amount of water, at any time. It's probably just more convenient to use a tower that's already prepiped and has more room for additional people to share the load so to speak. 1 aiming the other moving the bucket as needed.
 
There is little reason for a member to be at the tip of an aerial ladder to aim a "Ladder Pipe" when FDNY just uses rope attached to the ladder TIP AND ITS handle. NO one should be on the aerial ladder for any normal reason when it is being extended or retracted because the rungs move in opposite directions when the ladder is being retracted or extended. I good friend of mine from FDNY Rescue 1 had his carrier ended when he got his feet trapped in moving aerial ladder rungs during an attempt to rescue a trapped civilian. One mistake by the firefighter at the aerial control pedestal can man serious injury to anyone on the ladder. The only movement of an aerial ladder when anyone is on it is, to rotate firefighter or civilian out of danger from fire venting below or collapse danger. Why really good fire departments still put firefighters on the tips of aerials with ladder pipes puzzles me. Perhaps a "Ring "type camara mounted on the tip of the aerial is an idea to consider. COOL VIDEO BELOW;
Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired.
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