2/5/25 Manhattan 4th Alarm Box 1588

FDNYSTATENISLAND said:
Wondering the same. Looks to be 59/30, but it’d be a border box because 69/28 look just as close. I’m pretty sure I heard L30 be redirected into this box.
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L30 was redirected from a stuck elevator

E59 was on EMS box 1477 on 125 street for which they gave a 10-91.

E69 was also on an EMS run for box 1606 and got a 91.

Both engines were assigned and replaced E60 which was responding 3rd due.

4&2 ended up responding on the initial which was a call for smoke in apt 5A of 110 W 139th street.

And on top of ALL THAT - Engine 35 ALSO took a 10-91 and was assigned AGAIN replacing E60 which was assigned as the extra engine.

From all this (assuming this is a 3rd or 4th due box for E35) 3/4 of the engines normally assigned on the 10-75 for box 1588 were initially on EMS runs.
 
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FDNYSTATENISLAND said:
I think just because a dept. like ours already has 1-2 TLs on the box normally so this is reserved for special cases or when it’s not possible due to apparatus positioning to get a TL in place. Other depts. without TLs, which seem to be a lot of the country, as you said, can use this just as effectively. Just my opinion
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Just my opinion having worked both and flowed water from both. Aerials flowing at certain angles with a ff on the tip direction the stream are extremely uncomfortable. It kills.your knees chest and anything else that ends up leaning on the lungs. Usually at low angles. Even with the built in fold down steps we had on ours. And everything gets caught at somepoint on the beams. Ours was prepped so all we had to do was hook a 5 inch into our intake on the tail board or worse case scenario run it thru our pump. Technically your usually advised against extending or retracting the aerial while someone was on it. Usually so they don't lose fingers or toes if the aerial has to be extended or retracted and your fingers get caught between rungs. So a tower is much safer in that regards also. I dont think FDNY and some one may correct me if im wrong has a person at the tip. But extending or retracting an aerial with charged supply hose presents its own issues, with moving, kinking, and and possibly throwing the aerial balance off.
Towers a lot more comfortable at any angle.

Realistically both will flow the same amount of water, at any time. It's probably just more convenient to use a tower that's already prepiped and has more room for additional people to share the load so to speak. 1 aiming the other moving the bucket as needed.
 
There is little reason for a member to be at the tip of an aerial ladder to aim a "Ladder Pipe" when FDNY just uses rope attached to the ladder TIP AND ITS handle. NO one should be on the aerial ladder for any normal reason when it is being extended or retracted because the rungs move in opposite directions when the ladder is being retracted or extended. I good friend of mine from FDNY Rescue 1 had his carrier ended when he got his feet trapped in moving aerial ladder rungs during an attempt to rescue a trapped civilian. One mistake by the firefighter at the aerial control pedestal can man serious injury to anyone on the ladder. The only movement of an aerial ladder when anyone is on it is, to rotate firefighter or civilian out of danger from fire venting below or collapse danger. Why really good fire departments still put firefighters on the tips of aerials with ladder pipes puzzles me. Perhaps a "Ring "type camara mounted on the tip of the aerial is an idea to consider. COOL VIDEO BELOW;
Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired.
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Hank said:
Incident Location: 108 West 139th Street

Phone Alarm Reporting Smoke In Apartment 5D - 20:58.

L30: 10-75, Fire On The 1st Floor - 21:02.

TL23 - FAST.

B16: Mostly Vacant Building, s/c An Extra Engine & Truck (E35 & L40) - 21:05.

MD: Transmits The All Hands With Request For Extra 1&1.

B16: Transmit The 2nd Alarm, Fire On The 2nd Floor Of Exposure 2. 5-Story 25x75 Class 3 Multiple Dwelling. 2 L/S, 1 L/O. DWH - 21:08.

Exposures: 1: Street, 2: Similar Attached (Vacant), 3: Unknown, 4: Similar Attached (Occupied).

MD: B11RUL, B17SO, E72 w/ Satellite 2.

*Selected Staging Area - West 137th Street & Lenox Avenue*

B16: Transmit A 10-70 (E58WRU) - 21:12.

D6: Transmit The 3rd Alarm - 21:23.

MD: E263CU, B13SM, B39AR.

D6: The 10-70 Has Been Resolved - 21:36.

FC: s/c (1) Additional FAST Truck (TL21 act. TL23), TL23 Is Going To Work As A TL - 21:45.

FC: Transmit The 4th Alarm - 21:48.

FC: Fire Throughout & Through The Roof Of The Original Fire Building With Extension To Exposure 2 & 4. 5 L/S/O - 21:50.

FC: s/c (1) Additional FAST Truck (TL54 act. L30), TL21 Is Going To Work As A TL - 21:53.

FC: s/c (1) Additional Battalion Chief (B7 act. B16) - 22:21.

FC: 7 L/S/O, (2) TL's & (1) Ladder Pipe In Operation - 22:29.

FC: s/c (1) Additional Truck (TL17) - 22:37.

FC: s/c (1) Additional Truck (L24 act. L28) - 22:46.

FC: 4 L/S/O, Exterior Operations. DWH - 22:52.

FC: Still Extinguishing Small Pockets Of Fire, (2) TL's & (1) Ladder Pipe In Operation. PWH - 23:42.

FC: s/c (1) Additional FAST Truck For Relief Purposes (L25 act. L40) - 23:44.

FC: s/c (2) Additional 95' TL's (TL44 & TL35) For A Watchline - 00:27.

FC: s/c (2) Additional Engines To Supply The TL's (E259 & E218), Under Control - 00:41 (Duration 3hr, 43 Min).

10-75 (All Hands):
E59, E69, E80, E37, E35 s/c
L30, L28, TL23F, L40 s/c
B16, B12
R3
SQ41
D6
RAC3
*E35 Initially Unavailable, EMS Run*

2nd Alarm:
E58WRU, E83, E84, E60
E72 w/ Satellite 2
L26, L29, TL14
B14FF, B11RUL, B17SO
RB, SB, FC, RM1, TAC1, CTU
TA76
*TL14 Became Available & Assigned As Extra Truck*

3rd Alarm:
E71, E67, E53, E22, E263 act. E35CU
L3 act. L28, TL21F act. TL23 s/c
B26FF, B13SM, B39AR
RAC1, MSU

4th Alarm:
E94 act. E59, E1 act. E37, E46 act E83, E91, E259 s/c, E218 s/c
TL41 act. L40, TL115 act. TL14, TL54F act. L30 s/c, TL17 s/c, L24 act. L28 s/c, L25F act. L40 s/c, TL44 s/c, TL35 s/c
B4 act. B12, B7 act. B16 s/c

Cars: CAR10, CAR24B, CAR23D, CAR22, CAR24, CAR32, CAR22A, CAR4, CAR15, CAR12C, CAR1, CAR13R, CAR12C, CAR11X, CAR2C, CAR11A, CAR36H, CAR11F

Relocations:
E263 act. E35
L3 act. L28
E1 act. E37
TL21 act. TL23
TL41 act. L40
TL115 act. TL14
E94 act. E59
E46 act. E83
TL54 act. L30
E312 act. E69
E15 act. E22
E33 act. E58
E21 act. E59
B7 act. B16
L24 act. L28
L25 act. L40
B4 act. B12
L108 act. L24
E7 act. E67
B32 act. B4
TL114 act. TL14
E50 act. E60
L38 act. L29
TL50 act. TL17
E14 act. E35
TL13 act. L28
B20 act. B14
L8 act. L26
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Many thanks to you guys who post these incredibly accurate rundowns.
 
Hank said:
Incident Location: 108 West 139th Street

Phone Alarm Reporting Smoke In Apartment 5D - 20:58.

L30: 10-75, Fire On The 1st Floor - 21:02.

TL23 - FAST.

B16: Mostly Vacant Building, s/c An Extra Engine & Truck (E35 & L40) - 21:05.

MD: Transmits The All Hands With Request For Extra 1&1.

B16: Transmit The 2nd Alarm, Fire On The 2nd Floor Of Exposure 2. 5-Story 25x75 Class 3 Multiple Dwelling. 2 L/S, 1 L/O. DWH - 21:08.

Exposures: 1: Street, 2: Similar Attached (Vacant), 3: Unknown, 4: Similar Attached (Occupied).

MD: B11RUL, B17SO, E72 w/ Satellite 2.

*Selected Staging Area - West 137th Street & Lenox Avenue*

B16: Transmit A 10-70 (E58WRU) - 21:12.

D6: Transmit The 3rd Alarm - 21:23.

MD: E263CU, B13SM, B39AR.

D6: The 10-70 Has Been Resolved - 21:36.

FC: s/c (1) Additional FAST Truck (TL21 act. TL23), TL23 Is Going To Work As A TL - 21:45.

FC: Transmit The 4th Alarm - 21:48.

FC: Fire Throughout & Through The Roof Of The Original Fire Building With Extension To Exposure 2 & 4. 5 L/S/O - 21:50.

FC: s/c (1) Additional FAST Truck (TL54 act. L30), TL21 Is Going To Work As A TL - 21:53.

FC: s/c (1) Additional Battalion Chief (B7 act. B16) - 22:21.

FC: 7 L/S/O, (2) TL's & (1) Ladder Pipe In Operation - 22:29.

FC: s/c (1) Additional Truck (TL17) - 22:37.

FC: s/c (1) Additional Truck (L24 act. L28) - 22:46.

FC: 4 L/S/O, Exterior Operations. DWH - 22:52.

FC: Still Extinguishing Small Pockets Of Fire, (2) TL's & (1) Ladder Pipe In Operation. PWH - 23:42.

FC: s/c (1) Additional FAST Truck For Relief Purposes (L25 act. L40) - 23:44.

FC: s/c (2) Additional 95' TL's (TL44 & TL35) For A Watchline - 00:27.

FC: s/c (2) Additional Engines To Supply The TL's (E259 & E218), Under Control - 00:41 (Duration 3hr, 43 Min).

10-75 (All Hands):
E59, E69, E80, E37, E35 s/c
L30, L28, TL23F, L40 s/c
B16, B12
R3
SQ41
D6
RAC3
*E35 Initially Unavailable, EMS Run*

2nd Alarm:
E58WRU, E83, E84, E60
E72 w/ Satellite 2
L26, L29, TL14
B14FF, B11RUL, B17SO
RB, SB, FC, RM1, TAC1, CTU
TA76
*TL14 Became Available & Assigned As Extra Truck*

3rd Alarm:
E71, E67, E53, E22, E263 act. E35CU
L3 act. L28, TL21F act. TL23 s/c
B26FF, B13SM, B39AR
RAC1, MSU

4th Alarm:
E94 act. E59, E1 act. E37, E46 act E83, E91, E259 s/c, E218 s/c
TL41 act. L40, TL115 act. TL14, TL54F act. L30 s/c, TL17 s/c, L24 act. L28 s/c, L25F act. L40 s/c, TL44 s/c, TL35 s/c
B4 act. B12, B7 act. B16 s/c

Cars: CAR10, CAR24B, CAR23D, CAR22, CAR24, CAR32, CAR22A, CAR4, CAR15, CAR12C, CAR1, CAR13R, CAR12C, CAR11X, CAR2C, CAR11A, CAR36H, CAR11F

Relocations:
E263 act. E35
L3 act. L28
E1 act. E37
TL21 act. TL23
TL41 act. L40
TL115 act. TL14
E94 act. E59
E46 act. E83
TL54 act. L30
E312 act. E69
E15 act. E22
E33 act. E58
E21 act. E59
B7 act. B16
L24 act. L28
L25 act. L40
B4 act. B12
L108 act. L24
E7 act. E67
B32 act. B4
TL114 act. TL14
E50 act. E60
L38 act. L29
TL50 act. TL17
E14 act. E35
TL13 act. L28
B20 act. B14
L8 act. L26
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CAR. 1. Commissioner Tucker. doing his thing responding to jobs
 
In general Tower Ladder streams need to be aimed into the windows of the floor involved in fire, to knock down the ceilings or in the case of the top floor, knock down the ceilings and blow open the cockloft or truss loft to reduce the amount of fire. Aiming any stream into a hole in the roof is often counterproductive and interferes with smoke, heart and/or fire escaping from the top of the building. As a firefighter worked in TL-18, Covered, as a Lieutenant, in TL-44, TL-29 & TL-17, was a Lieutenant in TL-21 and Covered as a Captain in TL-7 and TL-35. I have seen a lot of fire duty working in Tower Ladders, I know what works and what does not. The only reason to aim any large caliber stream, T.L. or otherwise is to protect a taller exposure. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
 
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