1/15/11 Queens Box 6027 - 2nd Alarm

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South Richmond Hill, Queens, NY, 1/15/2011

Address: 101-14 110 st between 101 and 103 ave

06:53 hours
Phone Box 6027 - Report of a basement fire
Engs. 285, 308, Squad 270
TL142, T143
Battalion 51

10-75-6027 - 6:57 hours
Battalion 51: 10-75 the Box, 2 story semi-attached private dwelling
E294
L126 (FAST Truck)
Battalion 50
Division 13
Rescue 4
Squad 288

10-70-6027 - 06:59 hours
Division 13: 10-84, transmit a 10-70 for a bad hydrant, extra engine and truck.
E294 is the Water Relay Co.
E293, L173 S/C

07:01 hours
BC51: There's an address change, it's 101-14 k.  It's a 2 story flat roof 20x40.  Exposure 1 is a street, 2 is a similar detached, 3 is unknown, 4 is a similar detached.  1 line stretched and in operation, we have fire in the basement at this time k.  Fire is Doubtful.

CIDS for 101-14 110 st:
2 story private dwelling 20x40 class 4.  Window bars in the basement.

7-5-6027 - 07:02 hours
RAC4

2-2-6027 - 07:03 hours
Engs. 303, 331, 298
E324 w/ Satellite 4
TL127
Battalion 39 (Safety Officer)
Battalion 54 (Resource Unit Leader)
Safety, Rescue Battalions
Tactical Support 1
FieldCom 1
Car 13B (DAC Joseph Woznica, DAC of Fire Prevention)

07:07 hours
DC13: 2nd Alarm Box 6027, we have 3 lines stretched, all in operation, we have fire in the basement extended to the 1st floor, searches are in progress, fire is Doubtful.  The next arriving truck on scene, have them come into the front of the fire building, they're going to work.

07:12 hours - Duration 20 minutes
DC13: 2nd Alarm Box 6027, we have 4 lines stretched, 3 in operation, trucks are opening up, searches are in progress, fire is Doubtful.  We're having problems getting to the fire because of a Collyer's Mansion in the basement.  We have no report on the searches right now, making progress with the handline.

07:12 hours
The staging area is 101 Ave and 111 st

07:21 hours - Duration 29 minutes
DC13: 2nd Alarm Box 6027, we have 5 lines stretched, 4 in operation, searches still being delayed due to Collyer's Mansion condition, we're going to remain Doubtful at this time.

07:23 hours - Duration 31 minutes
DC13: 2nd Alarm Box 6027, primary searches throughout are complete and negative, we're going Probably Will Hold.
Thawing Unit 5 S/C

07:27 hours - Duration 35 minutes
FieldCom: Progress Report on the 2nd Alarm Box 6027, the address 101-14 110 st, between 101 Ave and 103 Ave, Division 13 reports: Primary searches throughout are negative.  The secondary searches are in progress.  Secondary searches in the cellar will be delayed due to Collyer's Mansion condition, fire Probably Will Hold.

07:40 hours - Duration 48 minutes
FC: Progress Report on the 2nd Alarm Box 6027, the address 101-14 110 st, between 101 Ave and 103 Ave, Car 13B, DAC Woznica reports: the secondary searches on the 1st floor are complete and negative.  Secondary searches on the 2nd floor are complete and negative.  Place this fire Under Control, also transmits a 10-41 code 1 (Suspicious Fire, Occupied Structure), heavy volume of fire on arrival in the cellar.
TL155 S/C

Relocations:
Engines: 304/285, 286/294, 332/298, 311/303, 315/308
Ladders: 154/143, 140/173
Battalions: 37/51

 

[efd274]

G'man - a few years ago we discussed why ladder 143 was a tiller - you pointed out the el (overhead subway) etc.  Do you think rearmounts that relocate to T143 leave the rig in front of the house or put it in quarters?

 

[FDNY150]

I believe they can fit a rearmount into those quarters. I have seen it done in the past with an 80's vintage Seagrave, like an 84 or 85. There are some pretty tight streets in the area of their quarters. I don't know what having an elevated subway line would have to do with apparatus.

 

[68jk09]

There is no problem fitting a RM into a Tillers qtrs.....when i was in LAD*126 we relocated to 143 w/ our RM on occasion.......the "el" should have no bearing on the type of rig.....the streets in 143 s area are very tight as are some of 151s but they lost the tiller anyway a few years ago.....in my opion all Trucks except TLs should be Tillers......but ...especially the SOC Support Ladders as they could respond to any area of the City & would have more compartment space for special equiptment which is now carried on their RRV which is not w/them most times when they are out of Quarters.

 

[efd274]

Thanks for the input FDNY150 and 68jk09 - the streets are tight in both T143 and L151's areas as they are in lower aManhattan and parts of Greepoint and Williamsburgh

 

[In2theJob]

Haven't been there in a while but a few years ago they had a sign on the outside of quarters that no TL or Rearmounts were to park in quarters. We had to leave someone outside to watch the rig.

 

[68jk09]

I have not been there since the FH Rally march from 293 to 294 earlier this year.....there was a large crowd & i did not notice the no RM sign.....which very well might be there now......the last time i relocated there was 12 years ago.....next time i am in Woodhaven i will take a closer look.......this may be due to the fact that RMs & TLs have less weight distribution .......a Tillers overall weight is spread out more.....i was thinking more of length rather than weight distribution.

 

[efd274]

First on scene photos

http://www.firstonscenephotos.com/FDNY/FDNY-Queens-2nd-Alarm-South115/15457207_k5eYG#1157298748_uMiRF

 

[FDNY150]

Queens is down to one tiller, 173 lost theirs a number of years ago as well. I remember the old ALF that 173 had with the stars and stripes. I lived in HB for a number of years and shed a tear every time I saw 173 with a RM. One other thing, like both I and Chief JK brought up is the streets around those quarters. There are a few blocks over there where it would be very tough for 142 to make the block if 143 was unavailable.