1/27/2015 Manhattan All Hands Box 1828

firephish · Jan 27, 2015

Address: 31 Park Terrace West off W 215 St.

Fire on the 6th floor of a 6 story 120x200 MD.

1259 - Bn. 13 - Transmit the 10-75. We have fire on the top floor.

TL-33 FAST

1302 - Bn. 13 - All Hands - We have smoke out the windows on the 6th floor. 2 L/S, no water on the fire, searches in progress. Requesting an extra Engine and Truck (E-93, TL-45).

1303 - Bn. 13 - Fire started on the 5th floor with extension to the 6th floor. Still searching for the fire.

1305 - Bn. 13 - We have 2 L/S/O. Fire is in Apt. E8 and F8.

1313 - Div. 7 - We have 3 L/S, 2 L/O, fire in the walls. MBFKD, searches still in progress, no extension to the cockloft. DWH

1316 - Div. 7 - Primaries are complete and negative in both fire apartments.

1320 - Div. 7 - All primaries are negative. PWH - Duration 29 minutes.

1323 - Div. 7 - Secondaries are complete and negative. 10-41 code 1 (mixer off). Under Control - Duration 33 minutes.

Maybe:
E-95, 43, 81, 75, 93 s/c
L-36, 59, 33F, 45 s/c
B-13, 19
S-41
R-3
D-7
RAC-1
TA-61, Command Tac., FC2

Signal73 · Jan 27, 2015

firephish said:
Address: 31 Park Terrace West

Fire on the 6th floor of a 6 story 120x200 MD.

1259 - Bn. 13 - Transmit the 10-75. We have fire on the top floor.

TL-33 FAST

1302 - Bn. 13 - All Hands - We have smoke out the windows on the 6th floor. 2 L/S, no water on the fire, searches in progress. Requesting an extra Engine and Truck.

Maybe:
E-95, 43, 81, 75
L-36, 59, 33F
B-13, 19
S-41
R-3
D-7
RAC-1

Relocations:
Ladder 703 Act. Ladder 36

mac8146 · Jan 27, 2015

NEW BARB 1828 E95,81,43,75. L36,46. L59fast Bn13 this is if all available
A second alarm would bring
E93,52,48,79. L33,45
The old barb was E95,81,52,93. l36,46. L52 fast
SECOND on old barb E75,43,79,48. L45,59
So E52&93 went to second alarm while E43&75 moved to first alarm

enginecap · Jan 27, 2015

i was pretty sure that was an 81/46 2nd due box

guitarman314 · Jan 27, 2015

mac8146 said:
NEW BARB 1828 E95,81,43,75. L36,46. L59fast Bn13 this is if all available
A second alarm would bring
E93,52,48,79. L33,45
The old barb was E95,81,52,93. l36,46. L52 fast
SECOND on old barb E75,43,79,48. L45,59
So E52&93 went to second alarm while E43&75 moved to first alarm

44 years ago:

mikeindabronx · Jan 27, 2015

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150127/inwood/inwood-fire-rips-through-2-apartments-fdny-says

FDNYSTATENISLAND · Jan 27, 2015

Northern most part of Manhattan

enginecap · Jan 29, 2015

Always great potential up there in Inwood.....still a good neighborhood though

3511 · Jan 30, 2015

We can notice that there are three historical layers to the box assignment in the discussion of this box: the present computerized BARB system; the previous STARFIRE "air miles" system; the old manual map system of run cards.

The run cards were the bible of the FDNY assignments for a century. With the onslaught of the War Years, flexibility was needed. The new STARFIRE computer program provided it. Somewhere along the line STARFIRE began to use the "as the crow flies" measurement (with an added "thumbs in the pie" favoritism aspect), which yielded some messed up box assignments. It appears BARB more likely replicates the old time tested map system. (See BARB vs CARD on this box and many others.)

Imagine that...those old run card guys had it right all along.

mikeindabronx · Jan 30, 2015

3511 said:
We can notice that there are three historical layers to the box assignment in the discussion of this box: the present computerized BARB system; the previous STARFIRE "air miles" system; the old manual map system of run cards.

The run cards were the bible of the FDNY assignments for a century. With the onslaught of the War Years, flexibility was needed. The new STARFIRE computer program provided it. Somewhere along the line STARFIRE began to use the "as the crow flies" measurement (with an added "thumbs in the pie" favoritism aspect), which yielded some messed up box assignments. It appears BARB more likely replicates the old time tested map system. (See BARB vs CARD on this box and many others.)

Imagine that...those old run card guys had it right all along.

Would you be singling out any particular units on the Main Land

68jk09 · Jan 30, 2015

3511 said:
We can notice that there are three historical layers to the box assignment in the discussion of this box: the present computerized BARB system; the previous STARFIRE "air miles" system; the old manual map system of run cards.

The run cards were the bible of the FDNY assignments for a century. With the onslaught of the War Years, flexibility was needed. The new STARFIRE computer program provided it. Somewhere along the line STARFIRE began to use the "as the crow flies" measurement (with an added "thumbs in the pie" favoritism aspect), which yielded some messed up box assignments. It appears BARB more likely replicates the old time tested map system. (See BARB vs CARD on this box and many others.)

Imagine that...those old run card guys had it right all along.

I would like to see some more discussion on the pros & cons of the present barb system.....rather than hijack this thread i will start a new one in the Communications/Technology Forum& see if it takes off.

3511 · Jan 30, 2015

Mike, are you implying I singled out any specific units...to bolster their run count...moi?

69jk...go for it...which forum?

enginecap · Jan 30, 2015

some units, including battalions, made out very well with the new BARB and some lost some "good" boxes. It's up to the company officers to fight for their boxes by submitting the proper form to communications...some they switch back and some they don't

3511 · Jan 30, 2015

True enginecap, and other units just salute and accept their assignments like good soldiers.

They all would rather be 1st or 3rd due though. ..rather have the nozzle than just help with the stretch.

68jk09 · Jan 31, 2015

3511 said:
Mike, are you implying I singled out any specific units...to bolster their run count...moi?

69jk...go for it...which forum?

... http://nycfire.net/forums/index.php/topic,35282.msg116968.html#msg116968