2/5/2014 Queens All Hands Box 7948

firephish · Feb 5, 2014

Address: 82-10 Baxter Ave.

1113 - Bat. 49 - Awaiting a Con Ed supervisor to the scene.

1117 - Bat. 49 - Using All Hands for a manhole fire with elevated CO levels in 6 commercial buildings. No special units required. DWH

1118 - Bat. 49 - Confirming to keep assignment at 3 & 2. Return Rescue 4, Squad 288, RAC-4, B-46, D-14, E-325, & L-138 FAST.

1138 - Bat. 49 - Reporting conditions are the same. DWH - Duration 1 hour 2 minutes.

1144 - Bat. 49 - Con Ed is on scene. Dropping down to a 10-18 - PWH - Duration 1 hour 8 minutes.

1206 - Bat. 49 - All CO levels have dropped. Under Control - Duration 1 hour 30 minutes.

Maybe:
E-307, 287, 289
L-154, 136
B-49

efd274 · Feb 5, 2014

There may have been some units unavailable as E292 and E316 normally get in before E325

guitarman314 · Feb 5, 2014

efd274 said:
There may have been some units unavailable as E292 and E316 normally get in before E325

Isn't E292 still at 259/128?

68jk09 · Feb 5, 2014

292 still @ 259 & R*4 still @ 316 would both be on 7948 if in their QNS Blvd qtrs .....also it is a normal 46 BN 1st BC box.

68jk09 · Feb 5, 2014

How after using AH (or anything higher than 1 & 1) can the BN "drop down to a 10-18" ?......this is an incorrect use of the signal that no matter how many times it is addressed you still hear it from time to time....the correct statement would be "down to 1 & 1"......yes this burns my a$$.

doneleven · Feb 5, 2014

Chief...Funny how those little things get our goat. I'm listening a few days ago..and I hear a certain engine company give a signal...."we're gonna use a 10-18 for a 10-92". Dispatcher tries to discreetly correct him...asking if he'd just like to transmit the 92. "Nope", he insists. Make it a 10-18 for a 10-92". Course, my wife walks in on me screaming at the radio...but that's another story altogether. Stay safe.

FDNY793727 · Feb 6, 2014

doneleven said:
Chief...Funny how those little things get our goat. I'm listening a few days ago..and I hear a certain engine company give a signal...."we're gonna use a 10-18 for a 10-92". Dispatcher tries to discreetly correct him...asking if he'd just like to transmit the 92. "Nope", he insists. Make it a 10-18 for a 10-92". Course, my wife walks in on me screaming at the radio...but that's another story altogether. Stay safe.

Um, could you explain what you guys mean? I've heard this too but I didn't know it was incorrect. How are you supposed to say you go from All Hands to 1&1 or using 1&1 for a 10-92?

memory master · Feb 6, 2014

That's a good one, 18 for a 9-2 unless there was more to the story such as 1 & 1 for a search and there was nothing there. Still, it sounds like someone doesn't have much radio practice.

doneleven · Feb 6, 2014

Ok...here goes. A 10-18 is transmitted for a condition, whether fire or emergency, which will require the use of the first arriving engine and ladder company. The second half of the transmission...."for a 10-26" for example...describes that condition. In this case food on the stove. Any other unit responding to that box is released upon the transmission of the 18. A 10-92, however, is a signal for a malicious false alarm. By definition, that means there is no condition...and that we should not have been called in the first place. No condition, no 10-18. As for the Chief's example, a 10-75 mandates a particular response for a particular condition...generally a working fire, but sometimes an emergency. When those units are used at the operation, an "All Hands" is transmitted. As the condition abates, units are gradually released...and at some point the chief may "go down to 1 and 1". That means he is holding an engine and a truck for the balance of the operation...with the rest of the assignment released. But that does NOT make the operation a 10-18. Sorry for being a bit long-winded...hope that helps. Stay safe.

FDNY793727 · Feb 6, 2014

Oh ok I get it now. So obviously when it's a 10-92 they do a search around to make sure it's nothing. If they use 1&1 for a search only, is that still not a 10-18 because they did not actually operate, only looked around? And one other question...when units search for a car accident and find nothing, like on the highway, why is it usually a 10-31 and not a 10-92? Because it's possible they left the roadway without assistance?

doneleven · Feb 6, 2014

Yes. Remember, a 10-92 means a malicious false alarm. There's a distinction between that and someone mistakenly calling us for something which may not require, or ultimately involve, our assistance. In a hypothetical, we get called to an address, and the person there says she smells something. We really don't smell it or, in any case, can't identify the odor. That is not a 92. The caller did not maliciously transmit a false alarm...even though her call proved to be unfounded. I realize it gets dicey, especially when you add the nuances of funding and budgetary concerns. But part of being a pro is acting the part...and sounding it as well. Stay safe.

FDNY793727 · Feb 6, 2014

doneleven said:
Yes. Remember, a 10-92 means a malicious false alarm. There's a distinction between that and someone mistakenly calling us for something which may not require, or ultimately involve, our assistance. In a hypothetical, we get called to an address, and the person there says she smells something. We really don't smell it or, in any case, can't identify the odor. That is not a 92. The caller did not maliciously transmit a false alarm...even though her call proved to be unfounded. I realize it gets dicey, especially when you add the nuances of funding and budgetary concerns. But part of being a pro is acting the part...and sounding it as well. Stay safe.

Ok I got it, thank you very much for clearing that up for me!