2nd Alarm City Island

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Box 4549 230-242 City Island ave at Schofield st
Verbal From 70/53
Fire Out 3 Windows
Reports of People Trapped
s/c Eng Tk
Batt. 20 transmitted 2nd Alarm
Con-Ed Requested for Live Wires
Fire "Very Doubtful" 
Marine 6 Responding
TL 54 S/C for fire Through Cockloft @ 4:14
 
3 T/L working, 4th going up.
Ive been listening to this since the start too & thought.. WTH where did they come from, I didnt hear a box out in the Bronx, until they said it was a verbal.
 
I think it was 37
It was extra engine & truck on arrival by E-70, so does that make it the 4th due truck is now FAST?
 
(note: 1st alarm rundown is per normal response card and radio transmissions)

City Island, The Bronx, 1/6/09

Address: 240 City Island Ave between Schofield and Caroll Sts.

Verbal 10-75-4549 - 03:50 hours
Engs. 70, 66, 97, 89, 38*
E72 w/ Satellite 2
TL53, L61, TL51*
TL50 is the FAST Truck
Battalions 20, 15
Rescue 3
Squad 61
Division 7
(*extra engine and truck on arrival)

2-2-4549 - 04:02 hours
Engs. 64, 90, 62
L47
Battalion 18 (Safety Coordinator)
Battalion 19 (Resource Unit Leader)
Rescue, Safety Battalions
Tactical Support 1
FieldCom
RAC3
Marine 6 S/C

04:03 hours
Battalion 20: We're going with the address 240 City Island, it's a 2 story 75x30.  I have fire on the 2-3 side, through the roof, truck companies are opening up, 1 line stretched, 2nd line being stretched, companies starting an attack.  We need ConEd on a priority response.

CIDs for 238 City Island Ave (on exposure 4 side):
Taxpayer 2 story 25x50 class 4.  Exposed and cracked 1st floor beams.  1st floor and basement vacated.  2nd floor apartment: Collyer's Mansion.  Exposure 4 similar attached occupied.

04:13 hours
E88 acting 73 and TL54 acting 53 are to stage at City Island Ave and Hawkins St

04:12 hours
Marine 6 has a 45 minute ETA and an inbound tide, responding to the east side on the Island at Schofield St

04:13 hours
Division 7: Heavy fire through the cockloft, through the roof, going to an exterior operation, special call an extra tower ladder to report to exposure 4 side of the building, still Doubtful.
TL54 acting 53 S/C

04:15 hours
L37 is 10-8 in L61's response area

04:18 hours
Car 36B (Department Chaplain) is 10-84

04:19 hours
TL41 acting 53 is to stage at City Island Ave and Hawkins St.

04:21 hours
DC7: Have PD respond to this box.

04:24 hours
BC15: Have ConEd Gas and Electric respond

04:25 hours
Battalion 53 is 10-8 in Battalion 15's response area

04:25 hours
20 minute ETA for ConEd Gas

04:30 hours
DC7: 2nd alarm Box 4549, outside operation in progress, 3 tower ladders in operation, 4th being set up, request DEP with an ETA.

04:31 hours
DC7: Have Marine 6 continue in, we need their monitors, we're having water problems.
Marine 6 has a 20 minute ETA

04:32 hours
DEP has a 20 minute ETA

04:41 hours
Car 4D (DAC Joseph Pfeifer, Deputy Assistant Chief of Operations - Counterterrorism) is 10-84

04:44 hours
E297 acting 46 redirected to acting 38

04:46 hours
E76 acting 45 redirected to acting 64

04:47 hours - Duration 57 minutes
FieldCom: Progress report for Bronx 2nd alarm box 4549, the address 240 City Island Ave at Schofield St, Fire in a 2 story 75x30, at this time Car 4 David, DAC Pfeifer reports: continuing with 4 tower ladders in operation, conditions remain unchanged, still Doubtful.

04:56 hours - Duration 1 hour 6 minutes
FC: Progress report for 2nd alarm Box 4549, Car 4D reports: Continuing with 4 tower ladders, we have 1 stang set up in operation, conditions remain unchanged, still Doubtful.

05:01 hours
FC: Have Marine 6 stand by at their location.

05:10 hours - Duration 1 hour 20 minutes
FC: Progress report for 2nd alarm box 4549, Car 4D reports: Continuing with 4 tower ladders and 1 stang, main body of fire has been knocked down.  We're going to begin releasing units that were not utilized, they will go 10-8 via the MDT as they become available.  Fire is still Doubtful.  There are no exposure problems, they are all streets.

05:14 hours
FC: Have Buildings Department respond, we have some small collapses from the roof into the 2nd floor.

05:20 hours
Rescue Battalion is 10-8 back to Citywide.

05:22 hours
Buildings Dept reports a 60 to 90 minute ETA

05:24 hours - Duration 1 hour 34 minutes
FC: Progress report for 2nd alarm Box 4549, Car 4D reports: Continuing to operate with 4 tower ladders, knocking down remaining pockets of fire, fire remains Doubtful, make a notification to Department of Health for a deli on the 1st floor, and have Marine 6 continue to stand by.

05:27 hours
Tactical Support 1 is 10-8 back to Citywide

05:33 hours - Duration 1 hour 44 minutes
FC: Progress report for 2nd alarm Box 4549: Car 4D places the fire Probably Will Hold.

05:43 hours
FC: You can let Marine 6 go 10-8.
Marine 6 is 10-8 back to Brooklyn.

05:50 hours - Duration 2 hours
FC: Progress report for Bronx 2nd Alarm box 4549, Car 4D, DAC Pfeifer reports: trucks are doing extensive overhauling via the exterior, and places this fire Under Control.

06:27 hours
DC7: Special call 2 additional engines and 2 additional trucks for relief.
Engs. 92 acting 97, 76 acting 64, L55, L56 S/C
 
Thank you 314. Never mind the fact that 37 has to go past 32 and 41 before it gets to City Island. I would be led to believe there were boxes out that 61,32  and 41 were out at prior to this one going out.
 
FDNY150 said:
Thank you 314. Never mind the fact that 37 has to go past 32 and 41 before it gets to City Island. I would be led to believe there were boxes out that 61,32  and 41 were out at prior to this one going out.
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Funny, this is classified as a 2nd Alarm but there were 4 tower ladders in operation meaning that with normal responses (assuming at 40% of Ladder co's. are TL's) this would have been at least about a 4th Alarm job.  ???
 
i was listening up when this job started ands ladder 50 was assigned as the original FAST truck for this box...not sire who eventually became the FAST truck...god only knows why i was up for this
 
  Looking at the rundown report I see that relocating units were staged at City Island Ave & Hawkins St. I suppose that is because City Island Ave. was shutdown below Carroll St. so they could not even get to the firehouse on Schofield St. and if they did get to the firhouse they would not be able to respond back towards the north (bridgebound) end of the island. To respond to anything south of the Hawkins St. staging area they would have to turn left on Hawkins then right onto Minneford Ave. and right onto Carroll St., drive across City Island Ave. and turn left onto William St. for one block, and finally turn right onto City Island Ave. 
 
This is not that difficult to figure out.

70 66 97 89          53 61 50FAST on 10-75
38                       51                extra E&T

TL50 and TL51 were probably put to work and a new FAST requested. Next due in is L47, probably the new FAST, not L37. Probably just a typo error. (Notice L37 subsequently relocates to L61.)
 
3511 said:
This is not that difficult to figure out.

70 66 97 89          53 61 50FAST on 10-75
38                       51                extra E&T

TL50 and TL51 were probably put to work and a new FAST requested. Next due in is L47, probably the new FAST, not L37. Probably just a typo error. (Notice L37 subsequently relocates to L61.)
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Yes, there was also that All-Hands at Boston Rd. & 169th going on atthe same time. :)
 
Thanks for the corrections, I was under the impression that either 50 or 51 was the original FAST truck but the announcement of 4 TLs in operation was a little confusing.
 
guitarman314 said:
   Looking at the rundown report I see that relocating units were staged at City Island Ave & Hawkins St. I suppose that is because City Island Ave. was shutdown below Carroll St. so they could not even get to the firehouse on Schofield St. and if they did get to the firhouse they would not be able to respond back towards the north (bridgebound) end of the island. To respond to anything south of the Hawkins St. staging area they would have to turn left on Hawkins then right onto Minneford Ave. and right onto Carroll St., drive across City Island Ave. and turn left onto William St. for one block, and finally turn right onto City Island Ave. 
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Impossible.

Hawkins St. and Minnieford Ave. do not intersect. Hawkins St. is a dead end on that side of City Island Ave.
 
chiefblackcloud said:
guitarman314 said:
   Looking at the rundown report I see that relocating units were staged at City Island Ave & Hawkins St. I suppose that is because City Island Ave. was shutdown below Carroll St. so they could not even get to the firehouse on Schofield St. and if they did get to the firhouse they would not be able to respond back towards the north (bridgebound) end of the island. To respond to anything south of the Hawkins St. staging area they would have to turn left on Hawkins then right onto Minneford Ave. and right onto Carroll St., drive across City Island Ave. and turn left onto William St. for one block, and finally turn right onto City Island Ave. 
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Impossible.

Hawkins St. and Minnieford Ave. do not intersect. Hawkins St. is a dead end on that side of City Island Ave.
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  Thanks, I haven't worked on the island since the 1980's so wasn't sure if they intersected. Anyway, how would the relocating units get to the south end of the island?
 
Unfortunately none of the back streets that run parallel to City Island Ave. go beyond Carroll St.

A fire on Scholfield St like this morning;  The only route to the end of the island is down City Island Ave. through the rigs operating at the job.
 
Would love to know the full relocation pattern as just about every engine and most truck companies north and/or east of E50 were at either the 2-2 or 7-5 by 4:15 AM. Did see on rundown of 7-5 that Engine 84 and 76 came over from Manhattan. Anybody know any other details?
 
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