3/9/10 -- Fourth Alarm/Box 8480

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Batt 23 requesting a Second Alarm for a large brush fire at the Gateway Natl Park/Great Kills
Orginal Alarm: Eng 167,164 with BFU,161,162/L82,TL85  Batt 23
Second Alarm: Engs 160,163,162,168,159 with Sat 5/L84,L76,Batt 21,22,40,R5,SQ1,Div 8,TSU,Field Comm,Res/Saf Batt,RAC 5,MERV
Time: 1630hrs
Time: 1636hrs --Third Alarm --Putting the Satellite to WORK!!!
Third Alarm: Engs 156,153,157,155/TL79,L80,Batt 33,48,MSU,Car 8
Staging: Hylan Blvd/Buffalo
Fallback Level III at 1646hrs
Time: 1651 hrs, Div 8 requested a Second Satellite Unit. Engine 284 with Satellite 3.
Batt 39 the Air Recon Chief.
Time: 1717 hrs L86 additional FAST truck
Time:  1726 hrs Fourth Alarm plus 2 additional Trucks
Time: 1743hrs Car 1E Enroute
Time: 1755 hrs NYPD Aviation using the bambu buck
Oceanic and Richmond Volunteer Dept were there also
Time: Under Control at 1906hrs
 
Caught the second and third alarms responding. Smoke is visible on Hylan Blvd from Seaview ave down to Richmond ave. 
 
4-4-8480 - 17:28 hours
Engs. 220 acting 154, 151, 158
TL77, TL149, L110 acting 109, L147
Mask Service Unit
 
Reports from people on the scene is that it goes from the road to the baseball field. At 1700 there was at least one TL operating. Also note Richmond Engine Co. 1 is there.
 
Does anybody have a complete rundown of this with all the relocations? I have some pictures of units responding and of the smoke cloud that I can put up on my photobucket account. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get anywhere near the scene.
 
I wasn't paying attention to the relocations but let's just assume all of Div 8 East relocated to Div 8 West...  ;D
 
I was at the fire museum so i didn't get in on this sadly....but...where was 165 on this??? It seems like an awful lot of first due units were 2nd due or later..
 
Rundown from exchief: Staten Island,  N. Y.  03/09/10  @  16:30 hrs.

Great  Kills  Park



Box  8480

Location:            Great  Kills  Park  area  of  Model  Airplane  Rd.



8480  @  16:26

Engs.  167,    164 w/ BFU #1,    161 w/ BFU #5

Lad.  82,  T. Lad.  85

Batt.  23



10 ? 75 ? 8480  @  16:30

TowerLadder  87  is  designated  as  the  ?FAST?  Truck

Eng.  162

Rescue  Co. #5

Squad  Co.  #252

Batt.  21

Division  8



2nd  Alarm:

2 ? 2 ? 8480  @  16:32

Engs.  160,  163,  162,  168

T. Lad.  84,  T. Lad.  76

Eng.  159  w /  Satellite  5

Batt.  22  ?Safety  Officer?

Batt.  40  ?Resource  Unit  Leader?

Rescue  Battalion  /  Safety  Battalion

Fieldcom  1  /    Tactical  Support  Unit  #1

Car  8:    Assist. Chief  Michael  Marrone    Staten Island Boro Commander



@  16:35

?Batt.  23  to  Staten Island,    Transmit  a  3rd  Alarm.    We  have  a  large  area  of  brush.?



3rd  Alarm:

3 ? 3 ? 8480  @  16:35

Engs.  156  w/ BFU #3,    153,    157,    155

T. Lad.  79,    Lad.  80

Batt.  33 act. Batt. 23

Batt.  48  ?Staging  Manager?

Batt.  39  ?Air  Re ? Con  Chief?

Mask  Service  Unit  #1

Staging  Area:    Hylan  Blvd.  &  Buffalo  St.



@  16:43

Batt.  23  reports:    Box  8480,  We  have  a  large  area  of  brush  burning  on  both  sides  of

Wetlands  Rd.  heading  towards  Buffalo  St.  We  have  (2)  TowerLadders  set  up,    2 ? lines

stretched  and  in  operation.    An  additional  line  being  stretched.    Fire?s  Doubtful.



@  16:51

Division  8:    Special  Call  an  additional  Satellite  Unit.

Engine  284  w /  Satellite  3  is  s/c



@  17:17

Division  8:    Box  8480,    We  have  a  large  area  of  brush.    Fire  in  ( 3 0  sections.

We  have  2 ? lines  in  operation,      (2)  TowerLadders  in  operation.    (2)  BFU?s  working  along 

with  (2)  Satellites.    Still  Doubtful.      Special  Call  an  additional  ?FAST?  Truck



@  17:17

TowerLadder  86    s/c  as  an  additional  ?FAST?  Truck



@  17:25

Fieldcom  1  to  Staten Island,    by  orders  of  Car  8,  Chief  Marrone,    Transmit  a  4th  Alarm.

Special  Call  ( 2 )  additional  Trucks  above  the  4th  Alarm.?



4th  Alarm:

4 ? 4 ? 8480  @  17:25

Engs.  165,  220 act. 154,    151,  158

T. Lad.  77,    T. Lad.  149

Lad.  110  act  109  s/c

Lad.  147  s/c



@  17:48

Fieldcom  1:    Progress  Report  for  the  4th  Alarm,  Box  8480,  Car  8,  Deputy  Assist.  Chief  Marrone

reports:      A  large  area  of  brush.    Fire  in  the  north  sector  knocked  down.    Still  working  on  the

south  sector.    Fire  remains  Doubtful  Will  Hold.



@  17:55

Fieldcom  1:    Progress  Report  for  the  4th  Alarm,  Box  8480,  Car  8,  Deputy  Assist.  Chief  Marrone

reports:      Fire  is  darkening  down.    Using  the  ?Bambi  Bucket?  to  knock  down  fire.

Still  Doubtful.



@  18:37

Fieldcom  1:    Progress  Report  for  the  4th  Alarm,  Box  8480,  Car  8,  Deputy  Assist.  Chief  Marrone

reports:      Main  body  of  fire  has  been  knocked  down.    Using  ( 5 )  hand-lines,  ( 2 )  TowerLadders,

( 2 )  BFU?s,  and  ( 2 )  Satellites.        Fire  is  Probably  Will  Hold.



@  19:06

Fieldcom  1:    Progress  Report  for  the  4th  Alarm,  Box  8480,  Car  8,  Deputy  Assist.  Chief  Marrone

reports:      Fire  is  UnderControl.



( Job  Duration:  2 hrs.  /  40 mins. )

 
Thanks for posting the rundown. However, there are two things I noted. E162 was called in on the 10-75 and then again on the second alarm. Is one of those by chance supposed to be E152? They were there and arrived with E163 at approximately 16:46. Secondly, was Engine 201 a relocation? I have a shot of them going down Hylan with the lights on.

IF that is a typo on the rundown, that it would put 16 of the 18 SI companies and 9 of the 12 ladder companies on the scene with some Brooklyn stuff.
 
Len90 said:
Thanks for posting the rundown. However, there are two things I noted. E162 was called in on the 10-75 and then again on the second alarm. Is one of those by chance supposed to be E152? They were there and arrived with E163 at approximately 16:46. Secondly, was Engine 201 a relocation? I have a shot of them going down Hylan with the lights on.

IF that is a typo on the rundown, that it would put 16 of the 18 SI companies and 9 of the 12 ladder companies on the scene with some Brooklyn stuff.
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I got this rundown from exchief but it looks like E162 was not immediately available on the initial alarm as seen on the original post from rdm258. I know E152 responded with the Satellite because E159 was already out at the fire. The only relocation I witnessed was E276 acting E160. I couldn't buff this job because I was on my way to the FDNY Shops at 4PM.
 
Definitely not 152 with the Sat. They pulled in running spare SP9713 with 163. I hope to get my pictures up in the next day or two. Wish I had the digital body, but was still glad to have the point and shoot.

I was over by SIUH North and caught the smoke on Hylan. Headed down there and had a lot of FDNY vehicles responding. I was only able to hang out on the corner of Hylan and Buffalo for about 30 minutes (until 5 PM) since I had to get to my class at Rutgers for 6. Got pictures of pretty much all the second and third alarm companies responding. From what I gathered there was some sort of other incident on going that prevented the normal 1st dues from being there. I overheard that 162, 165, and 151 were tied up on another box (possible house fire). I think 167 and 164 were acting as 165 and 162 respectively.
 
Some Great information guys. Thanks for taking the time to post your remarks. And it goes to show you that the FDNY "IS" the Place to see every type of fire, and watch how the Best puts it out. Everything from Brush to those 50 or 60 story buildings. You can see it all in "The Big Apple".
 
Why do they call so many ladder companies for a brush fire??????

Other than Towers for water and FAST, I don't understand.  Please explain the reasoning.
 
I would guess extra manpower for all the other labor intensive activities
 
FDNY used to get Federal money for fires in the US parks.  If they still do that may be the primary reason for excessive response.
 
On the 4th Alarm, should of Engine 262 been assisgned with the IMT Truck?
 
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