8/31/09 Bronx box 3384

[londonfireguy]

E75 has given a 10-75 for a heavy fire on upper floor of 5 story building under construction, people trapped on roof, now all-hands.

Extra Truck.

 

[londonfireguy]

Batt 19, fire is on the roof of building, not sure if structure is involved, no persons trapped at this time, undetermined address at this time.

3384 is Webb Ave and Kingsbridge Rd.

 

[londonfireguy]

10:41 Div 7 reports box 3384, fire is darkening down, trucks are opening up. Searches are negative ATT.

 

[londonfireguy]

10:48 Div 7 Box 3384, Address of 2554 Webb Ave, going with exterior ops, 1 TL, 2 Hand lines in use, fire remains doubtfull.

 

[londonfireguy]

10:54 Div 7 PWH, all searches negative.

 

[londonfireguy]

11:03 Div 7, fire now under control. Box duration was 37 minutes.

I didnt get much in the way of units as they were read off damn quick, but SQ61 and R3 went in on the 10-75, which was given by E75 about three blocks away from the box.

 

[mmattyphoto]

possibly E75,E81,E48 or E79;L33 and L46

 

[catry]

Fordham Manor, the Bronx, NY, 8/31/09

Address: 2552 Webb Ave between W190 st and W Kingsbridge Rd

10:29 hours
Phone Box 3384 - Report of fire in a building under construction
Engs. 75, 48
TL33
Battalion 19

10:29 hours
Second source reports the same
E79 re-directed in, L56 assigned

10-75-3384 - 10:30 hours
E75: 10-75 the Box!  We've got heavy smoke coming from the upper floors!
E43
L19 acting 37 is the FAST Truck
Battalion 18
Squad 61
Rescue 3
Division 7

10:31 hours
Receiving report of people trapped on the roof
L59 S/C

7-5-3384 - 10:33 hours
Battalion 19: we have a 6 story building under construction, we have heavy fire on the upper floors, undetermined which floor, we're using All-Hands, fire is Doubtful.
RAC3

Fire Building Height/Size-up:
6 story 100x75 under construction
Exposures:
1 - street
2 - street
3 - yard
4 - yard

10:35 hours
BC19: Box 3384, fire is in the roof, we don't know where the structure is involved right now,, and the occupants on the roof are not trapped on the roof.  The address is undetermined, it's 1 block north of 2550 Webb.

10:40 hours - Duration 14 minutes
Division 7: Fire is darkening down, trucks are opening up, checking for extension, search are underway, fire is still Doubtful.

10:46 hours
DC7: we're making this an exterior operation, we have 1 tower ladder in operation, we have 2 handlines in operation, trucks still opening up.

10:47 hours - Duration 20 minutes
DC7: the address is 2552 Webb Ave

10:51 hours - Duration 25 minutes
DC7: Box 3384, primary searches are negative and we'll go Probably Will Hold at this time.

11:03 hours - Duration 37 minutes
DC7: Progress Report Box 3384, all searches throughout are negative, we're going go Under Control.

 

[mac8146]

First due E-81 OOS Medicals, First due Truck L-46 relocated to L-53 due to them having Education Day. That is why only 2 & 1 until 2nd source. Also L-37 at rock for AM training, Bronx CO not what it used to be by relocating L-46 and leaving firehouse unstaffed until fire occurred. And yes phone calls were made but relocation still happened..................

 

[londonfireguy]

I have been listening to bronx for a few hours this morning, and it seems that Sq61 and R3 cover some mileage on runs, from a car in the water on the bronx River Parkway this morning, a couople of other local runs for Sq61 to the All-hands way over on the other side of the Bronx.

It seems that R3 is suitably quatered and located centrally to respond around the bronx, but Sq61 is on one side of the Brough, with a vast number of its working fires on the opposing end of the bronx in 75's area and surrounding areas and houses first due boxes.

How long would it take Sq 61 to respond from thier own area to the box this morning? I dont know the nature of the roads, hills, congestion, or do they stick to the cross Bronx and simmilar freeway routes to get across the borough?

Simmilarly, i have heard R3 on the GWB, going into NJ to get back to NYC, then travelling up to Wakefield for a 10-75 then later in the shift on the parkway heading into queens for MVA's on the bridge, i dont think many other SOC units cover such a wide diversity or areas an runs as these two units. Prob maybe R2 is the closest, im only guessing as i am an 8 hour flight time away on the south coast of the UK!!!

 

[mac8146]

Rescue 3 has the whole Bronx and upper Manhattan for responses and of course can be used city wide if needed, Sq61 has certain Battalions for 10-75 responses most of which are in the 7th division. But when other Squads are out they too go city wide

 

[turk132]

Williamsbridge Rd to Pelham Pkwy to Fordham rd then Kinsbridge, all wide streets and depending on traffic you can make good time. Depends on who's driving.

 

[turk132]

Kingsbridge (sp)  I can't believe the Dispatchers would leave 81/46 uncovered. Its a long run up to Riverdale to the 52's for 95/36 or 79/37

 

[mac8146]

well they did leave 81/46 uncovered and like i said they wouldnt change the relocation, fortunately no life loss or injury at 3384, also i think there is an Engine up there now.

 

[londonfireguy]

First due E-81 OOS Medicals, First due Truck L-46 relocated to L-53 due to them having Education Day. That is why only 2 & 1 until 2nd source. Also L-37 at rock for AM training, Bronx CO not what it used to be by relocating L-46 and leaving firehouse unstaffed until fire occurred. And yes phone calls were made but relocation still happened..................

Dispatcher have less choices because they get their balls broken if they relocate a company that has B.I. Staff more worried about B.I. than fire protection.

if its any consolation, over here in the London Fire Brigade, we have what we call HFSV,s, home fire safety visits, which is an attempt to visit a dwelling, and place a free smoke alarm in the household, and do a basic check on their electrics, such as overloading of plug sockets and methods/habits of cooking etc etc, we have to do on average 2-3 of these a day in London, the appliance stays on the run, available for calls, but HFSV take presidence over training, we basically get very limited training done nowadays, this is meant to be offset be what we call 'strategic resource' days, wherebye an appliance, or in some cases a while station will come 'off the run', unnavailable for fire calls from about 10am until 4pm once a month, there is hardly ever any structured training or visits organised as we are just too big a service, 112 fully staffed full time stations, we cover London heathrow and all the run down multiculteral housing estates an major motorways into London from the west, including the M25, and at times we have no cover or standbye (relocation) appliance the whole day, we think its a undercover method of the poloticiains to see how they can cover areas and cope with minimal fire cover.

I have known of three occasions where savable lives have been lost due to responding crews coming from too far away, due to local machines an stations been off the run, this also includes, through no fault of the responding long distance travelling crews not having any idea where they are going an relying on the OIC reading from a map book bouncing around in the front of the cab on a shout!! We are shortly going over to GPS and updated MDT's, but you cannot replace good old local knowledge and local stations bene on the run by any form of technology!!

Just to let you guys know, you are not the only ones trying to make the best of a shitty stick an fighting 'suits' to get our job done..im with you on that one..

regards

Jarrod

 

[firebuffkevin]

First due E-81 OOS Medicals, First due Truck L-46 relocated to L-53 due to them having Education Day. That is why only 2 & 1 until 2nd source. Also L-37 at rock for AM training, Bronx CO not what it used to be by relocating L-46 and leaving firehouse unstaffed until fire occurred. And yes phone calls were made but relocation still happened..................

Dispatcher have less choices because they get their balls broken if they relocate a company that has B.I. Staff more worried about B.I. than fire protection.

B I means???????

 

[mac8146]

BI means Building Inspection Safety Program formerly known as AFID Apparatus Field Inspection Duty. When unit has BISP they are not to be relocated unless a major incident occurs.

 

[firebuffkevin]

BI means Building Inspection Safety Program formerly known as AFID Apparatus Field Inspection Duty. When unit has BISP they are not to be relocated unless a major incident occurs.

thanks Mac