Heavy rescue out to bid

For what it's worth ...i  went from LAD*108 to R*2 in '77 a few weeks after "The Blackout" when the regular  R*2 Rig was the '76 Mack R Model..about a year later i had the Honor of becoming a Regular Chauf ...from time to time we had the old R*2 (walk through) '67 Mack  as a spare as well as sometimes the even older only other then Rescue Spare (maybe a Mack '5? POS)....  or if more than one Rescue was OOS we rode w/a Spare Pumper w/as much equipment as we could load into the empty hose beds...then after the '76 Mack we got the '82 ALF w/a Salisbury body....i liked driving the '76 R w/the engine out in front (just in case) but the '82 ALF did have a better turning radius  (even though the chassis was designed for a garbage truck body it did fine IMO after getting used to some peripheral vision issues w/the front windshield pillars ) ....  HM*1 later got one also as their original Rig in '84 & one of the last remaining Dept Ambulances (#2) quartered w/ENG*283 in their  present  Qtrs  had one ....i got promoted to LT in '87 & never drove any of the later Rescue Rigs....aside from the driving aspect the quality of the Rig does come into play & i would say that as years go by the quality lessens ...just as w/a '53 ALF Tiller as compared to a much later ALF '82 Pumper....apples & oranges time wise but body quality lessens thru the years ...but that is the same w/automobiles....my first car was a hand me down '49 Packard Sedan w/3 on the tree but the sheet metal body was built like a Tank  (like the earlier ALF Tillers)....when i got the '49 Packard from FF Ray F. a LAD*43 FF in my Fathers Company me as an aspiring (know it all) mechanic/body work guy thought i could pull or bang the dent out ....well not so ....the dent  remained until i sold it when i went into the USMC in '64......Not to hijack the topic on new RES*RIG's but as far as new or different Rig's in general "back when" the Job rather than buying new LAD Rigs outright got some snub nose Mack flat front Tractor Trailer Cabs (used by the US Postal Service for Interstate transportation back then) & hooked them up to several older different model Tiller rigs ....a nearby neighbor of mine was a Chauf in LAD*140 & they got one ....he said "oh it's nice ...it even has a cigarette lighter in the dash" ...well awhile later after they had a job that i heard & i asked him "how was that job ?" he said ...i went to put it in PTO  to raise the Aerial & the PTO knob came off in my hand.     
 
doesnt sound good sounds like politics cuz ferrara stinks and kme is excellent
 
KME IS GARBAGE!!! Nothing but problem after problem..most of the current KME fleet is at the manufactor..case in point my engibe is out long term as is 167 engine..both a laundry list of problems
 
Out way before kme came into  the FDNY but all i have ever heard was kme = keep mechanics employed....not my circus  ...not my monkey anymore....like the cycle helmet stickers say "let those who ride decide".
 
68jk09 said:
Out way before kme came into  the FDNY but all i have ever heard was kme = keep mechanics employed....not my circus  ...not my monkey anymore....like the cycle helmet stickers say "let those who ride decide".
KME=K Mart Engineered. And I'm sure you know what happened to K-Mart.
 
so quit wasting money on kmes and ferraris n get some real trucks from seagrave
 
Just curious, what is the 'beef' with Seagrave?  They are a reliable builder and seem to do fine for many years and now all of a sudden they are reduced to supplying only the TDA's, Scope's, Squads and HP engines.  Was it a change in leadership when it comes to fleet maintenance?  I seem to see quite a few post from FDNY members preferring Seagrave over some of the other builders.  Just curious why all these years they have been fine then all of a sudden they aren't?  I have operated off of Seagraves for many years and well  as other builders (ALF, Sutphen, Ferrara, E-One) and I still prefer and stand by Seagrave.  We have had to place a reserve 1989 in front line service recently due to mechanical issues with another apparatus and it still runs and pumps fantastic.  Some of us actually believe this will outlast the 1997 Ferrara we have in front line service.
 
Years ago 99.9% of the job was MACK. But like everything else, they have gone their way "into the sunset."
 
deff64 said:
Just curious, what is the 'beef' with Seagrave? 
I haven't ever heard that there is a beef with Seagrave. It's just the fact that apparatuses put out for bids and unfortunately in recent bidding Seagrave has been the most expensive of the bidders. Also unfortunately past performance isn't taken into account when evaluating bids. Only the price and adherence to specifications is taken into account.
 
Well I am glad where I come from the law is lowest and or best bid.  If one certain bidder is higher and you can properly justify why not to go with the lowest bid, that can be done.  Lowest bid sometimes ends up costing more in the long run.  I guess you are correct in some way, Mack was the engines in the past then ALF then Seagrave so nothing is constant.  I can assume the KME's are holding up well? 
 
wfd444 said:
pumpers were 100% mack but never ladders
Pumpers were also Ward LaFrance...American LaFrance...Seagrave....International...etc.
 
  If Mack was still building fire apparatus it would be just as troublesome as any being built today. There are so many EPA requirements,  electronically controlled systems and extra components that WILL Fail under normal use.
 
ok all u hi-volume posters: surely somebody among u has an in with the fdny; what happened? why ferrara n not kme?
 
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