New FDNY Tillers

[Grumpy Grizzly Andy]

As a point of reference I understand that Boston has just ordered 6 100' rear mounts from E-One. Also my browser and e-mail was hacked so Grumpy Grizzly is now GG Andy!

 

[CFDMarshal]

The issue is nobody is getting anything quick. Special bid work, like all FDNY rigs, can only add to the already horrendous delivery time.

 

[E812]

The first of the new tillers won't be in until around this time next year and only two rear mounts are switching back at this time

 

[baileyjeff]

What companies are switching back?

 

[E812]

151&169

 

[Ryand160]

169 truck?

 

[Skyler Fire]

169 truck?

Yes….

 

[E812]

Yes I believe the whole company is tiller trained

 

[egears18]

What are gross vehicle weights of a rear mount and a tiller?

 

[HCO]

2022 Seagrave Rearmount - 70,800
2016 Seagrave Tiller - 66,000

 

[STAjoey1]

Yes I believe the whole company is tiller trained

Good Move. A Lot of Tight Blocks & Tight Turns Down There in BB.

 

[E812]

Interesting but yet a co

 

[E812]

Interesting but yet a tiller cost more than a rear mount ?

 

[FFM1938]

Not to derail the thread, but what the heck is/was the "slippery water" mentioned in the article on page 2? Clearly whatever it was didn't work

 

[Bulldog]

Not to derail the thread, but what the heck is/was the "slippery water" mentioned in the article on page 2? Clearly whatever it was didn't work

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It was also called "Rapid Water" and as the article said it was designed to reduce friction loss in hose lines. The plan was to be able to use smaller hoses to keep the same flow. It helped to some degree but not significantly and didn't stay around that long.

 

[1261Truckie]

Not to derail the thread, but what the heck is/was the "slippery water" mentioned in the article on page 2? Clearly whatever it was didn't work

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It was/is an additive to the water intended to reduce "friction loss". It was/is injected into the water stream at the pump. It was thought that with the friction loss a smaller diameter hose (1-3/4" vs. 2-1/2") could be operated by the members. FDNY called in "Rapid Water" and placed decals on the engines outfitted with it.
My understanding is it made all surfaces very slippery and made the hose line rigid making it difficult to bend around corners and stairways.

 

[116ff60]

151&169

Are you sure about 169? Ladder 173 had a tiller then went to a rear mount.

 

[E812]

Yes I spoke to members from both companies and they confirmed it . A lot of the other trucks companies made additions in the fire house & weren't willing to make the sacrifice to accommodate a tiller

 

[E812]

But things can change.

 

[EdMc]

But things can change.

My 25 cents, inflation made 2 cents obsolete, is that da Bronx could use 2 or 3 new tillers.