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The point l was trying to make, l'll try to remake in a real simple statement now, >>> it seems it's taking a while to get the first new Seagrave rearmount, LADDER 32, in service considering there's no special training required... '' struggling '' was a poor choice of word, no suggestion of...

yes, you did miss something, you missed the point of my statement, i.e., if it takes this long to swap a new rearmount that is so similar to the existing rearmounts that CTS does not even need one that it seems it would take forever to get a tiller situated in a company that has never had one.

yes, l understand that, but even when they are l'd say we could expect a delay in getting them in service so the former rearmount companies have time to get acquainted and accustomed to them with plenty of driver & tillerman training.

well, for it to actually in the traditional sense, "rekindle" / start smoldering and or open burning again ( on it's own ) there had to be some kind of hot spot left behind.

and considering that it seems they are struggling to get the first new Seagrave rearmount in service, which is replacing a rearmount, l wouldn't hold our breathins towards seeing a tiller replace a rearmount anytime soon.

l remember reading of it somewhere here but l can't find the thread, l went back 9 pages and so no specific title.

TL 119 " Lions Of Hooper Street " l first saw that in photos of it gold leafed on their Sutphen tower.

He mooned the camera.:unsure:

l imagine there's lots of blues throughout the country. Hamlin, PA has all blue apparatus l think it is.

Any word on when the first rearmount goes in? What are they doing, training on it?

The first KME in service was E 153 ( https://fdnytrucks.com/ ) and that is a 2014, E 167 is a 2015. The incident referenced is from January 2012 so it was probably the 2003 Seagrave. See >>> http://fdnytrucks.com/files/html/statenisland/e167.htm

My guess is no, only because l saw no photos or videos posted here yet.

245 was stuck in mud , vids on here somewhere show it.

Yes, the old R 3 apparatus...The OLD R3 apparatus,... As mentioned above, was running as R 2.

R 3 old rig was definitely in the video.

No, they do NOT have a new Seagrave . l'm sure if they were due a new one and it was in the city, nevermind already in service, we would have seen photos and or videos of it here ... before it was in service. This is a new of it's kind, first in line apparatus, ... hard for that to sneak in...

No, they do NOT have a new Seagrave .

Just curious what caused you to think that what you saw was a new Seagrave ? :unsure:

My guess is that he is mistaken, but l'm not even in New York State, but....