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Two of the three Apollo 11 astronauts were West Point (USMA) graduates, Buzz Aldrin (1951) and Michael Collins (1952). Astronaut Ed White, Collin's West Point classmate, the first man to walk in space, was being groomed for that Apollo 11 flight but died when his capsule burned up on the launch...

Great info cap. As a young boy in the late '50s my mom worked as an information operator in the telephone building. I still think of her when I drive up the concourse past the building.

Exactly. That means the engine companies would know they don't have to stretch into the main entrance / hallway / interior stairs. You guys might be catching on to this.

It is akin to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Thank you. That's all I've been trying to say. But then, you lived there so you would know.

You're right. The guys going in ain't counting floors or storys. That's the task of their leadership.

It would then not be a multiple dwelling.

By the official records of New York City, yes. By the knowledge and experience of those who grew up in these buildings, yes. By CIDS, no.

Yes. And developers In the 1920s found that renters would not climb above the fifth floor.

A ground floor apartment. I had friends who lived in them and that's what they were called.

Yeah, confusing. City record calls it one unit, real estate listing says two. Watched virtual tour of the inside, beautiful. Maybe with my next $15mil I'll make an offer

I believe we are saying the same thing now.

"Cellar apartments were usually below grade where the building superintendents ("supers") usually lived." Five or six story fall, you're hurting.

To my understanding CIDS information is gathered primarily from building inspections by the administrative company and/or response area units. The last time I spoke to a company officer about the system he showed me info cards onto which the data was recorded and then subsequently entered into...

No elevator. That's what "walk-up" means.

Thank you. You're making my point. CIDS is often incorrect. Official City housing records listed as a five story. And it's the building I grew up in for 18 years.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/h3rHtbb7dvmCr5aC9 (You may have to highlight this link to get it to connect.) 2839 Decatur Avenue, five-story walk-up. Source of that information, two former residents of the building: 1. Officer of the third due engine (88), my father; 2. Chauffeur of the first due...

No, ground floor apartments accessible from the street, below the first story. Cellar apartments were usually below grade where the building superintendents ("supers") usually lived.

Five-story walk-up with additional walk-ins on the ground floor... Exactly like the one I grew up in on Decatur Avenue. Probably the same architect. Just what it's listed as in the official New York City housing records. Guess I can't resist correcting the CIDS.

Just looking at the map wouldn't 96 get in first due? Where's 82 and 31? Just asking.