1/17/26 Bronx 10-75 Box 2959

[bf231]

There were many reasons(financial mainly) and ways developers came up with the overall height of a building and the amount of stories a building was considered. To save money or comply with existing laws at time of construction.
But I agree that what the developers and Buildings department consider a building may not translate to what operating FFs consider a building.
And just like this thread with varying opinions different FF on scene may have different ideas of building they are operating
At. Why it’s critical that the IC tries to get everyone on same page

 

[entropychaser]

So, by definition, we're dealing with a five story MD at Box 2959.

 

[3511]

So, by definition, we're dealing with a five story MD at Box 2959.

By the official records of New York City, yes.
By the knowledge and experience of those who grew up in these buildings, yes.
By CIDS, no.

 

[t123ken]

A ground floor apartment. I had friends who lived in them and that's what they were called.

And the CIDS would read:
CIDS:
"Multiple Dwelling 0 Story 150 X 150 Class 3" ?

 

[t123ken]

By the official records of New York City, yes.
By the knowledge and experience of those who grew up in these buildings, yes.
By CIDS, no.

And most importantly by the men who have to fight fires in this building, no.

 

[3511]

And the CIDS would read:
CIDS:
"Multiple Dwelling 0 Story 150 X 150 Class 3" ?

It would then not be a multiple dwelling.

 

[3511]

And most importantly by the men who have to fight fires in this building, no.

You're right. The guys going in ain't counting floors or storys. That's the task of their leadership.

 

[BronxFireRadio]

Not to add to the confusion - but - I happen to agree that these are 5 story brick buildings. No elevators.
I grew up in 181 W. 238th street. Parents are still there. Grandma was in 217 W. 238th. Also, shoutout to 3801 Review place.
These buildings were designed to be FIVE floors. You go into the main entrance (the lobby), the mailboxes are there, and the apartments are labeled 1X. One flight of stairs later, you're in the 2X apartments. No access to the basement apartments (which are below grade) from the interior stairs. CIDS and size-up may say otherwise, but try to get to the "first" floor (basement) from the entrance.
You'd have a hard time convincing civilians that they live on the 3rd floor rather than the 2nd, when their apartment number is 2X.

 

[3511]

And most importantly by the men who have to fight fires in this building, no.

Not to add to the confusion - but - I happen to agree that these are 5 story brick buildings. No elevators.
I grew up in 181 W. 238th street. Parents are still there. Grandma was in 217 W. 238th. Also, shoutout to 3801 Review place.
These buildings were designed to be FIVE floors. You go into the main entrance (the lobby), the mailboxes are there, and the apartments are labeled 1X. One flight of stairs later, you're in the 2X apartments. No access to the basement apartments (which are below grade) from the interior stairs. CIDS and size-up may say otherwise, but try to get to the "first" floor (basement) from the entrance.
You'd have a hard time convincing civilians that they live on the 3rd floor rather than the 2nd, when their apartment number is 2X.

Thank you. That's all I've been trying to say. But then, you lived there so you would know.

 

[entropychaser]

Is this the same issue that has perplexed theoretical physicists over the last century?

What Is the Uncertainty Principle and Why Is It Important?

German physicist and Nobel Prize winner Werner Heisenberg created the famous uncertainty principle in 1927, stating that we cannot know both the position and speed of a particle, such as a photon or electron, with perfect accuracy.

scienceexchange.caltech.edu

Or the same problem that we all deal with....particularly as we get older.

Dirty Harry Did He Fire Six Shots Or Only Five?

famous clip #clinteastwood #movie #80smovies

www.youtube.com

 

[8060rock]

Is this the same issue that has perplexed theoretical physicists over the last century?

What Is the Uncertainty Principle and Why Is It Important?

German physicist and Nobel Prize winner Werner Heisenberg created the famous uncertainty principle in 1927, stating that we cannot know both the position and speed of a particle, such as a photon or electron, with perfect accuracy.

scienceexchange.caltech.edu

Or the same problem that we all deal with....particularly as we get older.

Dirty Harry Did He Fire Six Shots Or Only Five?

famous clip #clinteastwood #movie #80smovies

www.youtube.com

The only thing we can be 100% sure of here is that the horse is now dead and never did drink any of the water.

 

[3511]

Is this the same issue that has perplexed theoretical physicists over the last century?

What Is the Uncertainty Principle and Why Is It Important?

German physicist and Nobel Prize winner Werner Heisenberg created the famous uncertainty principle in 1927, stating that we cannot know both the position and speed of a particle, such as a photon or electron, with perfect accuracy.

scienceexchange.caltech.edu

Or the same problem that we all deal with....particularly as we get older.

Dirty Harry Did He Fire Six Shots Or Only Five?

famous clip #clinteastwood #movie #80smovies

www.youtube.com

Is this the same issue that has perplexed theoretical physicists over the last century?

What Is the Uncertainty Principle and Why Is It Important?

German physicist and Nobel Prize winner Werner Heisenberg created the famous uncertainty principle in 1927, stating that we cannot know both the position and speed of a particle, such as a photon or electron, with perfect accuracy.

scienceexchange.caltech.edu

Or the same problem that we all deal with....particularly as we get older.

Dirty Harry Did He Fire Six Shots Or Only Five?

famous clip #clinteastwood #movie #80smovies

www.youtube.com

It is akin
to how many angels
can dance on
the head of a pin.

 

[Capttomo]

 

[tommyhal&oat]

To follow up on what Bxengine / t123ken said, no one looking at this from the street is saying its 5 stories. The ground floor apartment = the first floor. The FDNY doesn't care what the buildings department or the people that live in them think about it.

To 3511, let's say it was considered a 5 story MD and there was a job in the ground floor apartment. What would you want that floor to be correctly designated as by the IC ? "Fire on the ground floor of a 5 story?" ??

 

[3511]

Exactly. That means the engine companies would know they don't have to stretch into the main entrance / hallway / interior stairs.
You guys might be catching on to this.

 

[bxengine]

Exactly. That means the engine companies would know they don't have to stretch into the main entrance / hallway / interior stairs.
You guys might be catching on to this.

wow. Alrighty then. You win, im out.

 

[tommyhal&oat]

Exactly. That means the engine companies would know they don't have to stretch into the main entrance / hallway / interior stairs.
You guys might be catching on to this.

It's evident you don't understand how the fire department operates, let alone the FDNY. Have a good night.