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Signal73

Signal73

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Fire Location: 1750 Grand Ave

Fire 2nd flooor of a 6 story MD 150 X 150

L-44 Fast

B-19 we have 1 L/S not yet in opp

B-19 we have water on the fire

B-19 fire Apt is 29

D-7 All Hands 2 L/S 1 in Opp

D-7 PWH

E-43,75,42,92,68
L-59,33,44(Fast),49
B-19,17
R-3
Sq-41
D-7
Rac-3

Exposures:
1. Street
2. 6 story Attached MD
3. Rear Yard
4. Similar Attached

Relocations:
Engine 45 Act. Engine 42
 
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Five-story walk-up with additional walk-ins on the ground floor... Exactly like the one I grew up in on Decatur Avenue. Probably the same architect. Just what it's listed as in the official New York City housing records.

Guess I can't resist correcting the CIDS.
 
 
NikFDNY said:
Wouldnt it be a 5 story w/ cellar apartments?
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No, ground floor apartments accessible from the street, below the first story. Cellar apartments were usually below grade where the building superintendents ("supers") usually lived.
 
t123ken said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8497783,-73.913142,3a,90y,113.1h,101.4t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1so2I-uACrbTKSFRItRnbFlg!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=-11.401608019121568&panoid=o2I-uACrbTKSFRItRnbFlg&yaw=113.09733241978546!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDExMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==

Click on the link above to see 1750 Grand Avenue.
I don't know anyone on the Job who wouldn't say it's a six-story multiple dwelling.
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2839 Decatur Avenue, five-story walk-up. Source of that information, two former residents of the building:
1. Officer of the third due engine (88), my father;
2. Chauffeur of the first due ladder (37), his brother, my uncle.
Verified by New York City building records.
Notice the similarity to 1750 Grand Avenue... Almost exact.
 
CIDS:
Multiple Dwelling 6 Story 150 X 150 Class 3
A Wing Odd Number Apartments
B Wing Even Number Apartments
Dumbwaiter Shafts Throughout
Boiler Room Exposure 3 Cellar
 
Thank you.
You're making my point. CIDS is often incorrect. Official City housing records listed as a five story. And it's the building I grew up in for 18 years.
 
So should the Admin company officer be made aware they wrong?

Assuming they make the CIDS? Not sure if the CIDS are made up while doing BISP/AFID

Do the city officials who made the records need to inform the FDNY that the information they have on the building are wrong which could hinder life safety for both the occupants and member?

How does it work? Maybe living in a similar type building and having family OTJ you might know. I have no clue how CIDS get made
 
Signal73 said:
So should the Admin company officer be made aware they wrong?

Assuming they make the CIDS? Not sure if the CIDS are made up while doing BISP/AFID

Do the city officials who made the records need to inform the FDNY that the information they have on the building are wrong which could hinder life safety for both the occupants and member?

How does it work? Maybe living in a similar type building and having family OTJ you might know. I have no clue how CIDS get made
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To my understanding CIDS information is gathered primarily from building inspections by the administrative company and/or response area units. The last time I spoke to a company officer about the system he showed me info cards onto which the data was recorded and then subsequently entered into the computer. (Perhaps one of the active members on here can update that.) Unfortunately many of the officers entering the data are from the suburbs and never lived in these type of buildings and don't understand their idiosyncrasies.

NYC records we're compiled eons ago and updated as a particular lot is built upon, the building altered, etc. It is the official property updated birth certificate.
There should be an interface between that database and the FDNY CIDS system. There are private firms that offer NYC has not yet taken advantage of them, to my knowledge.

The importance of accurate CIDs information to responding fire companies is obvious. I guess it undoes my old Bronx boy soul to see it to be incorrect. Also I guess I just enjoy being a royal pain in the ass about it.
 
What the dept of buildings thinks and what the fire dept thinks are different. For a reason. I wont rehash every argument yet again, but if you fell off that roof in the front, you arent falling 5 stories, youre falling 6. And a cellar has nothing at all to do with whether a super occupies it.
 
bxengine said:
What the dept of buildings thinks and what the fire dept thinks are different. For a reason. I wont rehash every argument yet again, but if you fell off that roof in the front, you arent falling 5 stories, youre falling 6. And a cellar has nothing at all to do with whether a super occupies it.
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"Cellar apartments were usually below grade where the building superintendents ("supers") usually lived."

Five or six story fall, you're hurting.
 
3511 said:
"Cellar apartments were usually below grade where the building superintendents ("supers") usually lived."
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In our old terminology, a basement was at least 1/2 above grade. Cellars were 1/2 below grade. “Ground” floors are first floors. Whether they have apts or not. Our floors are designated for operating ladders and stretching lines, not for selling apts when they were built. Ideally in situations like some bronx bldgs the cids would state “5 in the rear 6 in the front”. It has nothing to do with what the dept of bldgs calls it.
 
bxengine said:
In our old terminology, a basement was at least 1/2 above grade. Cellars were 1/2 below grade. “Ground” floors are first floors. Whether they have apts or not. Our floors are designated for operating ladders and stretching lines, not for selling apts when they were built. Ideally in situations like some bronx bldgs the cids would state “5 in the rear 6 in the front”. It has nothing to do with what the dept of bldgs calls it.
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I believe we are saying the same thing now.
 
Yes.

And developers In the 1920s found that renters would not climb above the fifth floor.
 
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