1/20/23 Queens 2nd Alarm Box 7743

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Signal73

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Fire Location: 24-37 89th St

E-316 gave the 10-75

Fire on the 1st and 2nd floors of a 3 story PD

E-307 extra 1&1 E-312 & L-136

QD transmits the All Hands

E-316,307,289,263,312s/c
L-154,138,117(Fast),136s/c
B-49,46
R-4
Sq-288
D-14
Rac-3

B-49 (2) 10-45s No Codes

B-49 transmit a 2nd Alarm

2nd Alarm
E-287,292,325
E-324 w/ Sat. 4
L-163,160 Act. ??s/c,116s/c
B-45(FF)*
B-52(RUL)
B-28(Safety)
RB,SB
FC
Tac-1
RM-1
CTU
Car-23D

*ABC

B-49 there are no stairs. They have collapsed

D-14 s/c 2 additional trucks

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E316 - 10-75 the box @2311

*E307 requested the extra 1&1

2nd Alarm @2317

FC - 1 additional 10-45 no code, total 3 10-45s, no code @2350

FC - additional 2 10-45s, no code @2358

FC - Assign Hazmat response for Ebike. E274 HTU. @0004

FC - 24-37 Corrected address. PWH @0009. Duration: 1 hour 2 minutes.

FC - 10-41 code 1 for the volume of fire

FC - Now 7 10-45s. 1 Code 2, 1 Code 3, 5 Code 4 @0024

FC - Under Control @0041. Duration: 1 hour 33 minutes

B49 - Rekindle, we need E317 back and a truck (L142 act L138) @0148

B49 - Transmit the box (9956) need 3&2 response. Currently using Hazmat and E274 (HTU). @0150

B49 - PWH. @0229. Duration: 38 minutes

B49 - AH/Under Control @0255. Duration: 1 hour 4 minutes


Box 9956:
E317, E295 act E316, E313 act 307
L117, L142 act L138
B49
*Not sure if other units assigned. Above units announced by QD when asked by B49 for assignment.

Some Relocations:
E313 act E307
E211 act E287
E295 act E316
L111 act L163
L17 act L117
L110 act L116
L142 act L138
L125 act L136
B57 act B46
 
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DaveReinstein said:
Looks like it rekindled a few hours later. Fire was blowing out the 3rd floor
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Is there really any such thing as a rekindle? I know the term has been used for decades, but more likely fire that was probably hidden in a void or hidden under debris.
Interesting, since amateur video segments showed no fire and minimal smoke as the fire was placed under control, and a company was assigned to a watch line.
Any reports of where and the extent of the so-called rekindle originated, and how it got to the point that the box had to be retransmitted?
 
seniorofficer said:
Is there really any such thing as a rekindle? I know the term has been used for decades, but more likely fire that was probably hidden in a void or hidden under debris.
Interesting, since amateur video segments showed no fire and minimal smoke as the fire was placed under control, and a company was assigned to a watch line.
Any reports of where and the extent of the so-called rekindle originated, and how it got to the point that the box had to be retransmitted?
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Or, more common recently, is Lithium ion batteries re-igniting.
 
Signal73 said:
Fire Location: 24-37 89th St

E-316 gave the 10-75

Fire on the 1st and 2nd floors of a 3 story PD

E-307 extra 1&1 E-312 & L-136

QD transmits the All Hands

E-316,307,289,263,312s/c
L-154,138,117(Fast),136s/c
B-49,46
R-4
Sq-288
D-14
Rac-3

B-49 (2) 10-45s No Codes

B-49 transmit a 2nd Alarm

2nd Alarm
E-287,292,325
E-324 w/ Sat. 4
L-163,160 Act. ??s/c,116s/c
B-45(FF)*
B-52(RUL)
B-28(Safety)
RB,SB
FC
Tac-1
RM-1
CTU
Car-23D

*ABC

B-49 there are no stairs. They have collapsed

D-14 s/c 2 additional trucks

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great pics
 
seniorofficer said:
Is there really any such thing as a rekindle? I know the term has been used for decades, but more likely fire that was probably hidden in a void or hidden under debris.
Interesting, since amateur video segments showed no fire and minimal smoke as the fire was placed under control, and a company was assigned to a watch line.
Any reports of where and the extent of the so-called rekindle originated, and how it got to the point that the box had to be retransmitted?
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No idea, but this video (about 21-22 min in) shows an engine backing up the street and stretching a line
 
seniorofficer said:
Is there really any such thing as a rekindle? I know the term has been used for decades, but more likely fire that was probably hidden in a void or hidden under debris.
Interesting, since amateur video segments showed no fire and minimal smoke as the fire was placed under control, and a company was assigned to a watch line.
Any reports of where and the extent of the so-called rekindle originated, and how it got to the point that the box had to be retransmitted?
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well, for it to actually in the traditional sense, "rekindle" / start smoldering and or open burning again ( on it's own ) there had to be some kind of hot spot left behind.
 
Nasibova said:
well, for it to actually in the traditional sense, "rekindle" / start smoldering and or open burning again ( on it's own ) there had to be some kind of hot spot left behind.
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the above video at the 22:40 minute mark shows a smoke condition at the left top floor front window. Within 1 minute, heavy fire is showing out that window and soon after the entire front set of windows. I don't know if there was another e-device present, but it appears to have the same characteristics as a bank of Li-Ion batteries that hit their critical heat level and the interior jel coats all ignited and the pack erupted in a ball of flame.
 
There is place for Large Caliber Stream use in fire buildings, when the life hazard has been delt with and most especially when the building is LOST.
A Tower Ladder stream used for the correct amount of time would, most likely, have stopped the from reigniting/rekindling. Chicago F.D. sometimes calls it "Resetting the fire." After 50 years of Firefighting including 30 years with the F.D.N.Y. I know that we have had this type of situation happen sometimes before, all we can do is try to minimize the dangers. Capt. Bob Rainey F.D.N.Y. Engine 26 Retired
 
seniorofficer said:
the above video at the 22:40 minute mark shows a smoke condition at the left top floor front window. Within 1 minute, heavy fire is showing out that window and soon after the entire front set of windows. I don't know if there was another e-device present, but it appears to have the same characteristics as a bank of Li-Ion batteries that hit their critical heat level and the interior jel coats all ignited and the pack erupted in a ball of flame.
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I would like to think that the units involved in the extinguishment initially, would have removed all lithium-ion batteries, etc. from the b'ldg., especially in the fire area. Meaning that without knowing otherwise, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
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8060rock said:
I would like to think that the units involved in the extinguishment initially, would have removed all lithium-ion batteries, etc. from the b'ldg., especially in the fire area. Meaning that without knowing otherwise, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.
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I believe all the initial units took up and only the hazmat units were on scene dealing with the batteries when it reignited. E274 (HazTec Engine) can be scene backing up and stretching the initial line after rekindle. I wonder what happened to the watchline Engine.
 
rangermsg1 said:
I believe all the initial units took up and only the hazmat units were on scene dealing with the batteries when it reignited. E274 (HazTec Engine) can be scene backing up and stretching the initial line after rekindle. I wonder what happened to the watchline Engine.
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Imagine that, you're turning out for another Haztac run for batteries and end up stretching on a blowing fire.
 
rangermsg1 said:
I believe all the initial units took up and only the hazmat units were on scene dealing with the batteries when it reignited. E274 (HazTec Engine) can be scene backing up and stretching the initial line after rekindle. I wonder what happened to the watchline Engine.
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Would using the deck gun in this situation even be a consideration?
 
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