10/14/24 Manhattan All Hands Box 1336

[Hank]

Incident Location: 141 West 110th Street

Class 3, Terminal 12 - Class J Alarm In The Cambridge Hotel - 12:51.

B11: 10-75, Fire In Apartment 310 On The 3rd Floor - 01:00.

CIDS: 6-Story 50x90 Class 3 SRO Hotel, Isolated Sprinklers In Hallways & Apartments.

TL22 - FAST.

B11: 1 L/S/O, Water On The Fire. AVFKD, PWH - 01:05.

Exposures: 1: Street, 2: 9-Story Class 1, 3: Alley, 4: Similar Attached.

D3: Using All Hands, Under Control - 01:21 (Duration 30 Min).

Rundown:
E58, E91, E47, E53
L26, L43, TL22F
B11, B12
R1
SQ41
D3
RAC1

Relocations:
L2 act. L26

 

[entropychaser]

How does a 58/26 first due box end up in the 11th Battalion?

 

[Signal73]

Handful of 58/26s 1st due boxes are in the 11th

 

[Atlas]

The answer is that at the time the box was transmitted the 11th Batt was the closest available battalion chief.
Fire duty responses are not assigned by administrative areas.
A good example of this is Engine 59. If Engine 59 is first due & Eng 69 is second due Batt 16 is assigned.
Cases where Eng 59 is first due & Eng 35 is second due Batt 12 is assigned.

Years back FDNY had done away with Covering Battalions. In today's world, the former covering battalion in most cases
has become the 2nd due battalion.

 

[Signal73]

Unless things have changed 1336 is a B-11 Box with 58/26 1st due

 

[entropychaser]

You would think that chief that has administrative command (manpower, training, discipline) of the companies would also like command of those companies on the fireground.

If Box 1336 is correct, then there must be lots of boxes in the city where the presumed second due chief is actually first due.

This site routinely posts questions about the response of chiefs, squads, and rescues to boxes in the vicinity of the northern end of Central Park. The back story on all that must be interesting.

And, reductio ad absurdum:

- If Engine 58 puts out a trash can fire in front of 141 West 110th Street, who gets fire report?
- If Engine 58 asks Manhattan to send a Battalion Chief to 141 West 110th Street for an administrative matter, who shows up?

 

[FDNYSTATENISLAND]

BC11 is physically closest to this address. Should be that simple as to why they’re first due here

 

[Signal73]

The cut off might be Malcom X Blvd Odd Number the 11 Even the 12th Up to West 115th

 

[FDNYSTATENISLAND]

BC11 area is highlighted

 

[Signal73]

Then according to this Map then 1336 is not theirs as well as other boxes

 

[entropychaser]

Then according to this Map then 1336 is not theirs as well as other boxes

In 1900 the 11/12 boundary was Eighth Avenue.

 

[Skyler Fire]

All depends on where the box falls… La Salle projects the one closest to 125 is a BC16 box another building is a BC12 box and others are BC11….

 

[Skyler Fire]

 

[Signal73]

I could of done that lol

 

[bxengine]

So much is done ass backwards in this city, this stuff is no different. Engines doing BI in their 5th due response areas, companies responding through other company’s first due areas to get to boxes that the other company isnt even assigned to, etc.

 

[Zombie0507]

So much is done ass backwards in this city, this stuff is no different. Engines doing BI in their 5th due response areas, companies responding through other company’s first due areas to get to boxes that the other company isnt even assigned to, etc.

If you think the FDNY is weird with their battalions you should see Jersey City

 

[68jk09]

When I was CPT of 126 a fair part of our BI area was in our Third Alarm Response area.