10/31/25 Queens 10-75 Box 6993

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Fire Location: 219-02 Northern Blvd

B-53 gave the 10-75

Fire in the basement of a commercial

CIDS:
2 Story Commercial 80 X 100
Bakery. Window Bars 1st floor rear
No Sprinkler

L-152 Fast

B-53 All Hands. 1 L/S/O

E-313,306,326,320,299
L-164,167,152(Fast),162,138 Act. 160s/c
B-53,52
R-4
Sq-288
D-14
Rac-4

Exposures:
1. Street
2. Parking Lot
3. Detached PD
4. Street

B-53 can you start out an extra Engine & Truck

QD to B-53 call this office

D-14 10-84

D-14 (2) L/S (1) in Opp. Fires darkening down. Trucks opening up. DWH

D-14 have L-138 come to the rear of the building when they get here

Relocations:
Ladder 138 Act. Ladder 160
Ladder 127 Act. Ladder 167
 
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Signal73 said:
Fire Location: 219-02 Northern Blvd

B-53 gave the 10-75

Fire in the basement of a commercial

CIDS:
2 Story Commercial 80 X 100
Bakery. Window Bars 1st floor rear
No Sprinkler

L-152 Fast

B-53 All Hands. 1 L/S/O

E-306,313,326,320,299,251s/c
L-164,160,152(Fast),162,138 Act. 160s/c
B-53,54
R-4
Sq-288
D-14
Rac-4

Exposures:
1. Street
2. Parking Lot
3. Detached PD
4. Street

B-53 can you start out an extra Engine & Truck

QD to B-53 call this office

D-14 10-84

D-14 (2) L/S (1) in Opp. Fires darkening down. Trucks opening up. DWH

D-14 have L-138 come to the rear of the building when they get here

Relocations:
Ladder 138 Act. Ladder 160
Ladder 127 Act. Ladder 167
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BC52 The 10-75 Chief, L167 Assigned 2nd Due.
Some Units Coming Off Another Box, 4&2 On Initial. E313 Got In First Due.
TL160 Normally 2nd Due, Relocated To TL54.
Due To Policy, Extra Engine Above AH Not Assigned.

Phone Alarm Reporting Fire In The Basement - 11:59.

D14: PWH - 12:35.

D14: Under Control - 12:43 (Duration 44 Min).

E317 act. E313
E307 act. E306
 
seniorofficer said:
Just some food for thought (from the "FirstOnScene" photos above -.
First due engine had plenty of room with an unobstructed hydrant. The choice was to go with the yellow python instead of the - just as quick - hydrant connection. You can see at least 3 kinks in that line.
What's the advantage of so many ECC's going with the front connection nowadays, instead of using the hydrant connection?
It certainly can't be speed, and not an improved water source. As a former ECC, not a criticism; just inquiring minds want to know.
Every thing you see; every thing you do, you can learn something from.
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Im assuming when you say hydrant connection, you mean hard suction?
A lot of crews use the soft supply( the yellow 35 foot section) as personal preference. You dont have to be accurate on spotting and if done right is a lot faster then the hard suction. In this case, I would have run the 5 inch soft supply ( yes there is a difference) to the front to take up some of the slack rather then the side where it is. Or looped it. That's just me. With a hard suction, you have to be a lot more accurate in spotting.
As far as the front intakes, they usually swivel, left to right which makes connecting a lot easier. Plus its out ouf the way and your not leaning over your intake supply or trying to get over or around it if you had to get into compartment or adjust something, for example. I used to use ours all the time. I tried to get our dept to put a pump intake on the rear but couldn't get it added on the new rigs.
In my old dept, our 35 soft supply, had a hydrant connection on 1 side with large ears so we didn't need a wrench, and the other was storz. Qtr turn. It was loaded in a tray under the pump panel and all we had to do was flow test, connect the hose and the other end to the intake gate. A good engineer could do it in maybe 2 minutes solo. Anything past that, and yould run a real risk of running out of water, as flowing 150 gpms, gave us maybe 3 minutes of water on a 500 gallon tank. Part of our engineers test was flow 1 line off the tank, connect in to the hydrant, and swap from tank to hydrant with out running out of water. Our recert evolution every year was similar but after swapping and refilling, throwing a ladder, and pulling and flowing a 2nd line. All with a 4 person crew. Driver officer and 2 firefighters. The quicker the better. Part was bragging rights and pride and the other was every second counts.
 
IRONLUNG said:
commercial fire will need more water if it escalates, yellow hose gives most water if you going to TL
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Not sure if that’s true….multiple 90 degree turns before it reaches the pumps; whereas the soft suction or the new 20’ hose that will be directly hooked up to the side intake, which leads directly to the pump
 
JJ D15 said:
Not sure if that’s true….multiple 90 degree turns before it reaches the pumps; whereas the soft suction or the new 20’ hose that will be directly hooked up to the side intake, which leads directly to the pump
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You can hook the 35 to the side too. The volume of water is significantly more with the 35’. The issue is it creates laziness. The 20’ will be a disaster, i havent seen a hydrant without a car parked on it in months.
 
And also a pic after the fire may show an unobstructed hydrant, ive had numerous times a car leave after the lines have been charged, making it seem like the chauffeur screwed up. Maybe dont be so critical from a snapshot of a fire you werent at.
 
JJ D15 said:
It’s already preconnected to the front. Time is of the essence
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No, its not. Some companies choose to preconnect it. But a heads up chauffeur knowing hes going to be suppling master streams should be trying to get the largest volume possible, and part of that is using the 35’ to the side. Take time to make time.
 
JJ D15 said:
Not sure if that’s true….multiple 90 degree turns before it reaches the pumps; whereas the soft suction or the new 20’ hose that will be directly hooked up to the side intake, which leads directly to the pump
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dept policy (i believe) requires the yellow hose to be in use at multiple alarms, though I have to double check its been awhile
 
JJ D15 said:
It’s already preconnected to the front. Time is of the essence
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I wouldn't preconnect it. Sounds good in theory but over time the gate in the intakes will leak and cause problems. Especially with city water. Our 5 inch gated intakes on the sides of our rigs, I could take the cap off drain it, grease it, replace the cap and by noon the dry side would be full of water.
 
bxengine said:
Yeah its 5.
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Reason i ask is 5 inch soft supply maxes out at about between 1000 and 1250 gpms. Depends on what pressure is coming from the hydrant. Its what we use for our supply. The 6 inch hard suction, comes in at about 1500 gpms. The advantage on the hard suction is that you could pull water out of a hydrant if it under performs where a soft supply will collapse. Flip side is you could theoretically collapse a main if your not carefull. Im not knocking FDNYs sogs just trying to learn.
 
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