11/30/2011 Staten Island Box 1956 Third Alarm

[efd274]

Box 1956: Leona St and Gary Court
Address: 36 Gary Court

Around 19:50
BC22 has the fire
10-75 transmitted - Fire on first floor of a PD - report of person trapped in bathroom

One 10-45 No Code at this time

19:57
Second Alarm transmitted
Disp gives rundown over air to DC8 (subject to check)

First Alarm
E166,154, 163
L86, L83
BC22

All Hands
E158
L80 FAST
BC21
159 w/Sat
Squad 252 (Squad 1 unavailable)
Rescue 5
DC8
RAC5

Second Alarm
E157, 156, 165, 160
TL79, L85
BC23 Safety
BC42 RUL
SB
RB
FC
TS

Staging Area: Victory Blvd and Richmond Ave

20:07
Third Alarm - fire in Exp 2 and 4
See G'man rundown below

20:17
DC8: 7L/S - 5 in operation

20:18
Roll call conducted

20:19
Mayday member has been accounted for

20:22
Car 12 Edward is 10-84

20:27
DC8: requests another FAST Truck
L81/L86 S/C as FAST Truck

Staging area changed to Victory bet Saybrook and Goller

20:31
DC8: Two more trucks at this box
L149/L87 and L??

20:33
FC is 10-84
Partial collapse of second floor

Note:transmission for last 10 minutes has been very erratic

20:41
Car 1 David is 10-84

20:59
FC: Car 4 Adam reports primaries are negative in the original fire building and Exp 2 and 4 - secondaries are negative in Exp 4
PWH
Duration 1 hour 12 minutes

21:06
DC8: the 10-45 is a Code 3

21:10
FC: E158 was involved in a minor accident hooking up to a hydrant - the I/C would like a BC assigned to investigate the accident

21:13
Car 4 Adam is 10-8 - DC8 will be the I/C

21:14
BC43/BC23 is assigned to accident involving E158

21:19
FC: please assign PD to E158's accident - the location is Gary Court and Leona St

21:29
FC: DC8 reports the fire is Under Control
Duration 1 hour 42 minutes

Additional Units for relief/salvage
E168
E161
L82 salvage

 

[SoHoTruckin20]

Now a 3rd Alarm

 

[guitarman314]

3rd Alarm: E167, E152, E153, E155/154, TL87, L78, Maxi-Water 1                  Some relocations: E247/156, E201/163, E155/154, E202/165, E276/159, L109/79, L149/87, L166/85, L81/86, L172/78, BC42/22, BC43/23

 

[mikeindabronx]

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[efd274]

Rundown from Ex Chief

Staten Island, N. Y. 11/30/11 @ 19:45 hrs.
Bulls Head Section

Box 1956
address: 36 Gary Ct.
between: Richards La. & Leona St.

1956 @ 19:47
Engs. 166, 154, 163
T. Lad. 86, Lad. 83
Batt. 22

10 ? 75 ? 1956 @ 19:50
Ladder 80 is designated as the "FAST" Truck
Eng. 158
Rescue Co. #5
Batt. 21
Division 8

Fire Building:
3 Story Frame 20 x 40 P/D Townhouse type
Surrounding Properties:
Exp. #1: Is a Street
Exp. #2: Is a similar Type attach
Exp. #3: Is a Rear Yard
Exp. #4: Is a similar Type attach

All ? Hands:
7 ? 5 ? 1956 @ 19:53
Eng. 159 w / Satellite 5 assigned
Squad Co. #252 assigned

Batt. 22 reports: All ? Hands on arrival. Fire in a 3 Story
Townhouse type
private dwelling. Fire in the basement, possibly to the 1st floor.

2nd Alarm:
2 ? 2 ? 1956 @ 19:56
Engs. 157, 156, 165, 160
T. Lad. 79, T. Lad. 85
Batt. 23 "Safety Officer"
Batt. 42 "Resource Unit Leader"
Rescue Battalion / Safety battalion
Fieldcom 1 / Tactical Support Unit #2

@ 20:04
Division 8: Box 1956, We have heavy fire in the basement, 1st
floor, 2nd floor and
possibly to the 3rd floor. Searches are in progress. Possible
extensions to the exposures.
We have ( 1 ) 10-45 No Code.

3rd Alarm:
3 ? 3 ? 1956 @ 20:08
Engs. 167, 162, 153, 155 act 154
T. Lad. 87, Lad. 78
Batt. 32 act 22
Batt. 40 "Staging Officer"
Mask Service Unit
Car 4 "adam" Assist. Chief James Manahan ( Assist. Chief of Operations
)

@ 20:17
Division 8: Box 1956, We have fire in the basement, 1st floor,
2nd floor.
Possible extensions to the 3rd floor. We have extension to Exp. #4
top floor.
We have possible extensions to the top floor of Exp. #2. 7 ? lines
stretched,
6 ? lines in operation. Truck Co's are "Opening Up" Searches are
in progress.
Fire remains Doubtful.

@ 20:20
Division 8: Box 1956, We had a partial collapse of the 2nd
floor. All members
removed from the Fire Bldg. All members are accounted for. We
did have a "May-Day"
May-day is cancelled, member is accounted for.

@ 20:27
Division 8: Special Call another "FAST" Truck"
TowerLadder 81 act. T. Lad. 86 is assigned as the new "FAST" Truck

@ 20:33
Division 8: Special Call ( 2 ) additional Trucks.
T. Lad. 149 act. T. Lad. 87 & Lad. 166 act T. Lad. 85

@ 20:59
Fieldcom 1: Progress Report for the 3rd Alarm, Box 1956, Car 4
"adam"
Assist. Chief James Manahan reports: Primary Searches in the
original Fire Bldg;
Exp. #2, Exp. #4 are complete and negative. Secondary Searches in
Exp. #4 are
complete and negative. He place's this fire at Probably Will
Hold.

@ 21:06
Division 8 reports: The original 10-45 is a Code 3, Non life
threatening injuries

@ 21:29
Fieldcom 1: Progress Report for the 3rd Alarm, Box 1956, Car 4
"adam"
Assist. Chief James Manahan reports: Secondary Searches thru out the
Fire Bldg.
and in Exp. #2 are complete and negative. He place's this Fire
UnderControl.

( Job Duration: 1 hr. 42 mins. )

 

[efd274]

SI Live Account

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/fdny_brings_3-alarm_staten_isl.html

 

[firebuffkevin]

Pictures:

http://www.nybuff.org/2011/11/third-alarm-fire.html

 

[efd274]

NY 1 Account

http://statenisland.ny1.com/content/top_stories/151745/bulls-head-house-fire-under-investigation

 

[efd274]

SI Live Update

http://www.silive.com/northshore/index.ssf/2011/12/2_fires_that_displace_52_state.html

 

[mack]

Just a comment regarding coverage.  SI had 2 battalions (Bns 21 & 22) when FDNY began coverage in 1905.  Expanded to 3 battalions in 1930 (Bn 23).  Nothing since then.  At this 3rd alarm, looks like the 21, 22, 23 from SI as well as Bklyn 42, 43, 40, 32 operated.  Maybe others (safety, rescue).  I assume other Bns were moved around but how do you handle simultaneous multiples these days?

SI's Bn 23 response area is tremendous.  Coverage is already thin.  SI should have a squad (response time for Sq 1 to distant areas of SI much too great), another Bn - and maybe a few more engines (Charleston, New Springfield/SI Mall area, Pleasant Plains) and trucks (Rossville, Dongan Hills).  Look at what comparible cities have which are smaller in size and population. 

SI has a poplation of 475, 000 in about 60 sq miles covered by 18 engines, 12 trucks, 1 rescue and 3 Bns.  KC is smaller and has 34 engines, 12 trucks and 3 rescues.  Raleigh NC, smaller, has 28 engines, 10 trucks, 3 rescues and 4 Bns.  Atlanta, smaller, 30 fire stations.  Cleveland, smaller, 27 firehouses.  Omaha, smaller, 25 firehouses.  I know the comparisons are base only on population and some of these departments cover more territory, but FDNY units seem much too thin.  It takes time for Bklyn units to get to SI fires.  It takes time for SI units to get to SI fires.

By the way, I think it used to be SOP not to have all three SI Bns operate at the same box.  Usually kept one SI Bn available to cover Island when other 2 Bns and D8 were operating at a multiple.  Maybe someone has an old assignment card.  I think Bn 42 used to be the third BC assigned to SI multiples on 2nd alarm.  Bn 43 used to be communications coordinator on 3rd alarm. 

 

[guitarman314]

Your right "mack", BTW, Squad 1 was unavailable so Squad 252 traveled all the way across Brooklyn and halfway through Staten Island.

 

[mack]

Squad 252 had a run of 18.22 miles, 38 minutes per Mapquest, if in quarters.  Maybe takes longer with traffic.  Responding on the all hands, they probably get in after the 3rd alarm companies and they are an all hands company.  Then it takes 38 minutes to return to quarters.  That's about 36 miles and 1 hour and 15 minutes of driving time for a run, maybe more with traffic.  Squad 1 would have been 13.5 miles away, 24 minutes by Mapquest, if available.  If the fire is in the South Shore, add another 5 or 6 miles each way for either company.  If Squad 252 responds to a fire in Tottenville, they have to drive about 20 miles to get there through most of Brooklyn and all of SI.

 

[baileyjeff]

And once again nothing will happen until a major tragedy occurs. And furthur more until Bloomberg leaves office FDNY will add no more coverage, remember Bloomberg wants to take away coverage(Engines 161 and 157).