12/15/2009 Manhattan Box 205 10-75

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Manhattan 10-75 Box 205 fire on the 2nd floor. About 3 hours ago

Box location - Henry St and Market St - vicinity of Manhattan Bridge viaduct
 
Perfect day response would be E9, E15, E55, L6, TL1, BC2 with TL18-FAST & E7. Fifty years ago it would've looked like this:
 

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guitarman314 said:
Perfect day response would be E9, E15, E55, L6, TL1, BC2 with TL18-FAST & E7. Fifty years ago it would've looked like this:
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Interesting.  Second due Engine 18 is now Squad 18.  The next Engine to replace S18 would be E31 disbanded 11/25/72 and then E17 disbanded 1/3/91.
 
E18 wasn't assigned to this box back in 1959, the 2nd due engine was E12. Since then all of these companies on the card were disbanded: E12, 31, 17, 32(now E6), 27, 13, 30, & 204. Relocaters that were disbanded: 209, 203, 213, 256 & 269(now Sq-1). 
 
guitarman314 said:
E18 wasn't assigned to this box back in 1959, the 2nd due engine was E12. Since then all of these companies on the card were disbanded: E12, 31, 17, 32(now E6), 27, 13, 30, & 204. Relocaters that were disbanded: 209, 203, 213, 256 & 269(now Sq-1). 
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Looked like an 8 to me.  Gotta get new glasses!!!
 
Back in those days certain companies were always covered and E18 was one of them. Had they been assigned E40 or E54 would've had to come down to cover them. The companies on this card that were always covered (key companies) and didn't relocate in 1959 were: Engines: 5, 7, 17, 30, 31, 33, 204, 207, 210 and Ladders: 6 and 9. Other companies on the card that got coverage would relocate on other boxes. 
 
Thanks Guitarman.  Really interesting.  Only 6 ladders, 3 Bn Chiefs etc. with a 5th alarm.  Relocations interesting, too. 
 
mack said:
Thanks Guitarman.  Really interesting.  Only 6 ladders, 3 Bn Chiefs etc. with a 5th alarm.  Relocations interesting, too.  
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 Those relocations were predictable before 1967. You can look up hundreds of Manhattan and Bronx alarm cards and it will always be the same companies covered and the same ones covering with only few exceptions. Engines: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 17, 18, 22, 23, 30, 31, 33, 36, 37, 45, 46, 52, 58, 60, 61, 63, 64, 65, 68, 69, 70, 71, 73, 75, 76, 79, 82, 84, 91, 92, 93, 97 and Ladders: 2, 3, 5, 6, 9, 11, 13, 14, 17, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 30, 31 35, 39, 44, 47, 52, 53. Units that always relocated were Engines: 6, 14, 21, 24, 26, 27, 28, 32, 34, 35, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 47, 48, 50, 53, 55, 59, 67, 80, 81, 83, 89, 90, 94. Ladders: 7, 12, 16, 18, 19, 20, 25, 28, 29, 30, 32, 38, 40, 43, 46, 48, 50. After 1967 there were changes made where very busy companies like L28 and L40 were taken off relocations and started to get coverage when they were out.
 
Guitarman - What about L 62? Did they relocate?

I appreciate your insight.  It is amazing that operations were so consistent for so many years.  The same companies responded or moved the same way over the years.  I doubt there was a lot of statistical analysis that went into assignment cards.  Decisions could have been very subjective.  Dispatchers also had to make on the spot decisions to move companies.  Remember the "Dispatcher's 3rd or 4th alarms" to fill out multiple alarms assignements because there were no computers. But it worked and the fires were put out.  Thanks.
 
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