12/15/23 Brooklyn 4th Alarm Box 165

[Hank]

2nd Alarm
E-216,221,259,292
E-207 w/ Sat. 6
L-104,128
B-28(FF)
B-37(RUL)
B-57(Safety)
RB,SB
FC
Tac-1
RM-1
CTU

3rd Alarm
E-217,218,230,291,263(Comm)
L-119,140
B-38(Staging)
B-39(Air Recon)
Rac-1
Mask
Car-15(Chief of Training)
Car-16C (Director of Fire Alarm Operations)
Car-22D (Deputy Director of Fleet Services)
Car-33 (Medical Officer Brooklyn SI Queens)
Car-24 (Director of Technical Services)
Car-12C (Safety Liaison)
Car-22C (Director of Fleet Services)

2nd Alarm - E211 Instead Of E292.
3rd Alarm - E230, E291, E217, E218, E263CU

E-202 Act. 229,65
L-123,153 Act. 146
B-58,48

L123 act. L106

Nice rundown. L112 10-84 as well.

L112 s/c To Relief The FAST Truck.
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(5) 10-45 Code 4's.

Under Control. @07:02 (Duration 3hr, 4 Min)

157 Act. 146

 

[Sepiroth86]

3 CW multi alarms this week. Why do I think its gonna be worse for the last 2 weeks of da year.

Now another multiple.. this one in SI

 

[firebuffkevin]

Great rundown Signal 73

 

[Captain784]

The reason why FDNY is more often going to an Aggressive EXTERIOR Attack it that the fire loading, due to the amount plastics and synthetics in each occupancy. Tests, some recent, have indicated that the average dwelling unit can have 1,300 L.B.S of plastics and synthetics in EACH DWELLING UNIT. An AGRESSIVE EXTERIOR ATTACK when the fire has already self-vented, or has been vented can reduce the fire, as Chicago Fire Dept. calls "Resetting the Fire: can allow for an "Aggressive INTERIOR Attack." "Hit it hard from the Yard, and then go In." These are Not your grandfathers or even you fathers' fires. Thay are much hotter, burn more rapidly, produce great amounts of heavy smoke, and spread more rapidly. Also, many of these building are 70, 80 or 100 years old and therefore are often structurally unstable.
"Things Just Anit Like They Usterbee" (My own Spelling). Merry Christmas Brother and Sisters and stay safe.
Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired

 

[scoobyd]

FDNY exterior hoseline ops are considered a tactic of opportunity. Interior is still the go-to method.

 

[Capttomo]

If you look at the data and the NIST studies on exterior "reset", "transitional attack", "hitting it hard from the yard, it works best and is only designed to be a 20-30 second application at a high angle off the ceiling into the fire compartment - followed by a rapid movement of an interior line into the original fire compartment. Thes studies show that after 90 seconds, the fire that was hit hard from the yard or reset, will grow back to its original ferocity. So while it can be advantageous to give it a quick spritz in a first floor window before advancing the line another 60 feet into the building and finishing up from inside, its a whole other realm in H Types, projects, or tenements involving 300-600 foot stretches into wings, up multiple floors and down long hallways. Fire escapes all deflect and block streams from the outside. so the default mode of attack changes in different jurisdictions and with the available manpower. In FDNY the default mode is interior advance and attack. Some old sayings that still hold true today. " as the first line goes, so does the rest of the fire(job)" " The hallmark of a good engine company is to rapidly advance and quickly get water on the fire"

 

[Captain784]

Good stuff by brother Capttomo Above. I spend 30 years in the FDNY working in some of the busiest units around, during the "War Years" on the Lower East Side and a as a Lieutenant in the Da South Bronx. We always did, and they still do primarily Aggressive Interior Handline Attack. But in fact, there were times when we should have reduced the fire from the exterior "before we went in" or "went back in." I am again, checking on the facts and you make a good point. The average fire doubles in size every 18 seconds so if you hit it from the exterior, you retard that growth. This is not a tactic for minor fires or those that have not self-vented. The exterior attack is for serious fires that have vented or were vented before Firefighter arrival, in non-fireproof buildings or large fires in fireproof or fire-resistant buildings. In vacant buildings an aggressive exterior attack is normally the way to go until an evaluation and examination of the building has been completed. I agree "The hallmark of a good engine company is to rapidly advance and quickly get water on the fire" But there are times this is best done initially form the exterior and then the interior.

Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired

LEFT Recent FDNY 4th Alarm in Row Frame dwelling. PHOTO Right FDNY TL-18 at Lower E. Side Vacant Feather Factory Fire 1977