12/21/09-- Bronx Box 3563/5th Alarm

In photo 58, I see that Squad 41 is using the reserve Squad 800. I thought it was a reserve and not a spare or is there a new reserve rig?
 
Division  7:    Special  Call  a    ?Foam  Task  Force?

Eng.  96  w /  Foam  96

Eng.  206  w/  Foam  206

Eng.  260  w/  Foam  260

Eng.  95  w/  Foam  95

Eng.  324  w /  Satellite  4

Batt.  12,  Batt.  52  ?Foam  Coordinators?



Does anybody know why they called the Foam Task Force. 
That Task Force  involved ten rigs and two BC's
 
Division  7:    Special  Call  the  Hi ? Expansion  Foam  Unit.

Bronx  advises,    Hi  Expansion  Foam  Unit  o.o.s.


Where is this unit stationed?  Who man's it?



 
kfd274 said:
Division  7:     Special  Call   the   Hi ? Expansion  Foam  Unit.

Bronx  advises,     Hi  Expansion  Foam  Unit   o.o.s.


Where is this unit stationed?  Who man's it?
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It used to be manned by Engine Company 212 but the High Expansion Unit was disbanded along with Engine 212. It was basiclly a gaint fan that blew a "bubble-bath" like substance.
 
The IC probably needed the foam task force for the basement being heavily involved, the amount of contents in the building or post collapse.
 
Hi Ex was not disbanded with 212. It went to 259, then 262, but has been since removed from service. Any Hi Ex is carried by the foam units, but on a smaller scale.
 
Sorry FDNY150 I should of refrashed that, I didnt mean that they got disbanded at the same time I just meant that they were both disbanded.
 
Here's a photo of Hi Ex foam unit being used at a basement fire in Harlem, early 1980s.

Mike
http://fdnysbravest.com/


 
If the chief was asking for Hi Ex Foam,(10-87) they get three foam carriers with their associated engine companies, an additional satellite with its associated engine, 2 foam coordinators. If the fire involves the basement, the IC may ask for Hi Ex Foam. This has happened a few times when you have a basement fire in a row of stores with large amounts of stock inside. (I mean, come on, this was a supermarket involved as well) Easier just to flood the basement with foam instead of peeing on it with handlines. E-238 with the Foam Tender would not respond because the tender does not carry Hi Ex.

Any request for regular foam(10-86) would get 2 foam rigs, 2 foam coordinators, 2 Purple K Units, satellite and the foam tender. All with the associated Engines.
PS, that was 52 Engine on the 4th. 82 Engine is on the 5th alarm according to the assignment card.
 
FDNY150 said:
If the chief was asking for Hi Ex Foam,(10-87) they get three foam carriers with their associated engine companies, an additional satellite with its associated engine, 2 foam coordinators. If the fire involves the basement, the IC may ask for Hi Ex Foam. This has happened a few times when you have a basement fire in a row of stores with large amounts of stock inside. (I mean, come on, this was a supermarket involved as well) Easier just to flood the basement with foam instead of peeing on it with handlines. E-238 with the Foam Tender would not respond because the tender does not carry Hi Ex.

Any request for regular foam(10-86) would get 2 foam rigs, 2 foam coordinators, 2 Purple K Units, satellite and the foam tender. All with the associated Engines.
PS, that was 52 Engine on the 4th. 82 Engine is on the 5th alarm according to the assignment card.
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FDNY150 - the rundown shows four foam companies, and no Purple K units.  Why four foam units??
 
There was at least one purple k unit - on the audio tape posted by R1SmokeEater the dispatcher assigned E326 with the purple k unit - the audio tape is really good as it is edited and you only have to listen to the actual transmission of everything for only a couple of minutes - it's a good listen!
 
Revised rundown from Ex Chief:

Found ( 2 ) typo?s:





Bronx,  N. Y.  12/21/09  @  04:30 hrs.

Norwood  Section



Box  3563

address:              291  East  204th  St.

Between:            Bainbridge  Ave.    &    Perry  Ave.



3563  @  04:31

Engs.  79,  62,  81

Lads.  37,  32

Batt.  27



10 ? 75 ? 3563  @  04:36

Ladder  56  is  designated  as  the  ?FAST?  Truck

Eng.  88

Rescue Co.  #3

Squad  Co.  #61

Batt.  15

Division  7



Fire  Building:

1  Story  Brick  40 x 60  Taxpayer

Surrounding  Properties:

Exp. #1:  Is  a  Street

Exp. #2:  Is  a  1  Story  Brick  100 x 100  FoodTown SuperMarket

Exp. #3:  Is  Unknown

Exp. #4:  Is  a  Similar  Type  attach



All ? Hands:

7 ? 5 ? 3563  @  04:39

Batt.  27  reports:    Box  3563,  Extra  Engine  &  Truck.    1 ? line  stretched  and  in  operation.

2nd  line  is  being  stretched.    Fire  in  the  basement  of  a  Taxpayer.    Using  All ? Hands.



@  04:39

Engine  75  &  TowerLadder  46  are  s/c



2nd  Alarm:

2 ? 2 ? 3563  @  04:53

Engs.  38,  90,  52

Lad.  38

Eng.  72  w /  Satellite  2

Batt.  20  ?Safety  Officer?

Batt.  19:  ?Resource  Unit  Leader?

Rescue  Battalion  /  Safety  Battalion

Fieldcom  1  /  Tactical  Support  Unit #1

Command  Tactical  Unit



@  05:11

Division  7:    Box  3563,  We  have  ( 2 )  Stores  involved.    Fire  extended  to  Exp. #4.

We  have  3 ? lines  stretched,  2 ? lines  in  operation.    Heavy  fire  in  the  basement.

Fire  is  Doubtful.



@  05:11

?Division  7  to  da  Bronx,    Transmit  a  3rd  Alarm,    We  have  fire  extended  into  the  Cockloft.



3rd  Alarm:

3 ? 3 ? 3563  @  05:18

Engs.  97,  45,  46,  42

Lad.  39,    Lad.  59

Batt.  18

Batt.  3  ?Staging  Manager?

Batt.  33  ?Air  Re ? Con  Chief?

Mask  Service  Unit #1

Car  4  ?george?    Assist.  Chief  Edward  Baggett

Staging  Area:    Bainbridge  Ave  &  Mosholu  Parkway  North



@  05:20

Division  7:    Special  Call  the  Hi ? Expansion  Foam  Unit.

Bronx  advises,    Hi  Expansion  Foam  Unit  o.o.s.



@  05:23

Division  7:    Special  Call  a    ?Foam  Task  Force?

Eng.  96  w /  Foam  96

Eng.  206  w/  Foam  206

Eng.  260  w/  Foam  260

Eng.  95  w/  Foam  95

Eng.  324  w /  Satellite  4

Batt.  12,  Batt.  52  ?Foam  Coordinators?



@  05:31

Division  7:    Special  Call  an  additional  TowerLadder:    TowerLadder  33  s/c



@  05:39

Fieldcom  1:    Special  Call  ( 2 )  additional  TowerLadders

TowerLadder  41    &    TowerLadder  58  are  s/c



@  06:08

Fieldcom  1:    By  orders  of  Car  4 ?george?    Assist.  Chief  Baggett,    Transmit  a  4th  Alarm.



4th  Alarm:

4 ? 4 ? 3563  @  06:08

Engs.  43,  92,  64,  82

Batt.  10  ?Incident  Planning  Chief?

Eng.  262  w/  the  Incident  Management  Vehicle

Car  4:    Chief  Robert  Sweeney,    Chief  of  Operations



@  06:09

Fieldcom  1:    Progress  Report  for  the  4th  Alarm,  Box  3563,  Car  4 ?george?  Assist.  Chief  Baggett

reports:      Fire  in  ( 3 )  Stores.    Fire  extended  to  Exp. #2,  which  is  a  1  Story  Brick  Taxpayer

100 x 100  SuperMarket,  and  into  Exp. #4  which  is  a  similar  type  attach.    Fire  thru  out  and  thru

the  roof.    This  an  exterior  operation.    We  have  ( 2 )  TowerLadders  in  operation,  ( 2 )  TowerLadders

being  set  up.    We  have  ( 4 )  hand-lines  in  operation.    Fire  is  Doubtful  Will  Hold.



@  06:18

Fieldcom  1:    Special  Call  ( 2 )  additional  Battalion  Chiefs.

Batt.  17      &    Batt.  26  are  s/c



@  06:38

Fieldcom  1:    Progress  Report  for  the  4th  Alarm,  Box  3563,  Car  4 ?george?  Assist.  Chief  Baggett

reports:      Continuing  with  the  exterior  operations.    Heavy  fire  in  the  Fire  bldg.  and  in  Exp. #2

and  Exp. #4.    Fire  thru  the  roof.    Operating  with  ( 2 )  TowerLadders,    ( 2 )  Stangs,    and  ( 4 )

hand-lines.      Doubtful.



@  06:52

Fieldcom  1:    Special  Call  a  Squad  Co.    When  they  arrive,  we  will  release  Rescue  #3  &  Squad Co. #61.

Squad  Co.  #41  assigned



@  07:16

Fieldcom  1:    Special  Call  ( 2 )  additional  Trucks.   

Ladder  43  act.  56    &      Ladder  52  are  s/c



@  07:18

Fieldcom  1:    Progress  Report  for  the  4th  Alarm,  Box  3563,  Car  4,  Chief  Sweeney,  Chief  of  Operations

reports:      Conditions  remain  unchanged.    Operating  with  ( 4 )  TowerLadders,  ( 3 )  Stangs    and    ( 6 )  hand-lines.   

Still  have  heavy  fire  conditions.      Doubtful.



@  07:43

Fieldcom  1:    Progress  Report  for  the  4th  Alarm,  Box  3563,  Car  4,  Chief  Sweeney,  Chief  of  Operations

reports:      Fire  is  Probably  Will  Hold.    Still  operating  with  ( 2 )  TowerLadders,  ( 2 )  Stangs    and  ( 6 )

hand-lines.      This  will  be  a  prolong  operation



@  08:07

Fieldcom  1:    Special  Call  ( 2 )  additional  Trucks.   

TowerLadder  51    &    Ladder  47  are  s/c



@  09:03

Fieldcom  1:    By  order?s  of  car  4 ?george?    Assist.  Chief  Baggett,    Transmit    a  5th  Alarm  for  ?relief?  purposes.

The  5th  Alarm  shall  consist  of:    ( 4 )  Engines,    ( 2 )  TowerLadders,    and  ( 2 )  Battalion  Chief?s



5th  Alarm:

5 ? 5 ? 3563  @  09:03

Engs.  76,  258,  237,  210

TowerLadder  160,      TowerLadder  146

Batt.  44,    Batt.  57



@  09:18

Fieldcom  1:    Progress  Report  for  the  4th  Alarm,  Box  3563,  Car  4 ?george?  Assist.  Chief  Baggett

reports:      Fire  UnderControl.



(  Job  Duration:    4 hrs.  /  47  mins.  )



@  09:42

Fieldcom  1:    Special  Call  ( 4 )  Engines    &    ( 1 )  Truck  for  relief.

Engs.  307,  299,    1,  23

Lad.  48






 
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