12/28/20 Staten Island MVA w/ Pin Box 8741

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SI phone alarm box 8741, West Shore EXPWY Southbound @ Arthur Kill Road for an overturned truck

E168 to SI: E151 is confirming a pin, let the BC and Rescue 5 know we have a pin.

TL76 to SI: Ok, the accident is on the Korean War Vets PKWY @ the West Shore EXPWY, got a confirmed pin. Have the Rescue continue in.

RS05, SQ08 and BC23 all notified of the confirmed pin

BC23 to SI: At this time E168 has a precautionary line stretched. Squad 8 and Ladder 84 have removed the driver from the vehicle. Rescue 5 can go 10-8.

Probably:
E151, E168, E164
L084, T076
SQ08
BC. 23
 
The way it used to be on SI, or "the Borough of Richmond":

Before the Korean War Vet Parkway was built, Drumgoole Boulevard, a divided highway, ran between the Outerbridge and the Richmond Ave/Arthur Kill Road/Drumgoole Boulevard intersection. In those days, up to the 1960s - no SI Dump, no SI Mall, no E 167/L 87/E 168/E165/L85/E 166/L 86 and no GPS. Instead there was the - SI airport, SI drive-in movie theater, and the SI Farmers Market located nearby on Richmond Avenue.

E 164/L84 was first or second due everywhere on the South Shore, or so it seemed.

Locations were difficult to get to, particularly with poor maps, lack of street signs, dirt roads and "notional-only" streets. Many fire alarm boxes were dummy boxes on roads that were not even cut through large wooded areas. Brush fire units were not special rigs but regular CD pumpers or second piece apparatus staffed by an OT crew. Water mains were insufficient and hydrants often distant.

And - there were 2 locations for "Arthur Kill Road and Drumgoole Boulevard", over 5 miles apart. During brush fire seasons, relocating companies from Brooklyn and Manhattan frequently went to the wrong intersection - and both were active brush boxes for large brush fire areas.

My buddy and I used to hang out at the firehouse in Huguenot which was a brush fire staging area, play handball against the firehouse wall - and wait for runs to be a navigator for the Brooklyn and Manhattan engine companies. Not bad duty, got to sit next to officer while responding, help the chauffer, stretch and even operate booster lines and go for soda runs if a deli or candy story was near-by. In SI, nothing was really near-by, but within a mile was reasonable for a kid - and we knew every deli and candy store from Tottenville to New Dorp. Pay was usually a few packs of baseball cards, a maybe one had a Mickey Mantle or a Willy Mays or a Yogi Berra.

Sometimes a brush fire would sweep by a company deep in the woods and the chauffer would be left to defend the rig parked along heavily wooded roads, with the deck pipe. Sometimes a simple brush fire that seemed to be knocked down would get a boost from the wind or hit a patch of heavy brush - and barns, sheds, garages or houses would get involved and it was a long time to get help - if any help was available.

It was a tough and dangerous job as a kid to hang out at the firehouse in - the good old days.
 
Some guys were ahead of their time.
The guy on the side step of the second engine from the rear looks like he's checking his smart phone.
 
I Count 9 Engines & I Think maybe a Truck behind the Line of Engines.... So 9 and at least 1 ! ?
 
I think that back in the day that during brush fire season at the start of the day shift they would sound a second alarm for a lower Manhattan box for a bunch of companies to ferry over for fire duty and fill ins, Is this correct?
 
I think that back in the day that during brush fire season at the start of the day shift they would sound a second alarm for a lower Manhattan box for a bunch of companies to ferry over for fire duty and fill ins, Is this correct?

There was a specific box transmitted in the morning of potentially busy brush days. I believe in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Companies would take the SI Ferry from Manhattan or the 69th Street Ferry from Brooklyn.
 
Did 164 ever have a second section like 164-2?
Not to my knowledge. Engine 164 was always a 2 piece engine company, 2 pumpers, but not 2 sections.

But - companies that were relocated to SI (in FDNY - "the Borough of Richmond" back then), Brooklyn or Manhattan companies would be re-designated as 164-2nd section, 164-3rd section. They also had E 164 Brush Patrol during certain periods of time.

But (there are a lot of "buts"), during the periods of time when 10 companies or so were relocated to a brush fire command post as picture showed, companies maintained their unit designations.

The approach to staffing for SI brush fires was different over the years. With no VN Bridge, companies had to be moved in advance for brush fire duty. Early morning travel to SI and late returns.

It was not just Engine 164, but other SI engine companies might have extra sections or a Brush Patrol engine company at different times, but 164 was the primary staging area because of location, a wide street access to parkway.

It was common practice to pull a FF from SI companies and exchange with a FF from out of boro companies so box locations and response area knowledge would be shared.
 
There was a specific box transmitted in the morning of potentially busy brush days. I believe in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Companies would take the SI Ferry from Manhattan or the 69th Street Ferry from Brooklyn.
In 1963, Staten Island (Richmond) Box 100 (8-8 100 on the bells) was used to signal responses and relocations to the boro.
 
WNYF had another SI brush fire feature in 1968 written by SI Boro Commander. New AUC had been published and article noted 2 boxes were established for SI relocations from Brooklyn. VN Bridge had changed relocations to SI.

BRUSH FIRES 1968.jpg
 
Staten Island did have a unique organization for Ladder 78 and Rescue 5 from 1948-1962. Ladder 78 was not a 2 section company, but it was trained, equipped, staffed and operated as a ladder company which could also respond and operate as a rescue company. Both ladder and rescue apparatus were assigned to quarters and Ladder 78 had an extra FF assigned. Members would respond was Ladder 78 on assigned boxes but always left a FF in quarters to drive the rescue rig if Rescue 5 had a run. Another truck would be assigned to the fire to replace Ladder 78 and the FF left in quarters would pick up the company members and they would then respond as Rescue 5. Ladder 78 did not respond to multiples or relocate.

The VN Bridge when opened enabled Rescue 2 to better cover SI and Rescue 5 was disbanded until reorganized in 1984 at Engine 160.


Rescue 5 1948-1962

Rescue 5 ap 1.jpg


Apparatus modified by members.

Rescue 5 Converted Ward LaFrance Hose Wagon.jpg

Rescue 5.jpg


Rescue 5 at SI multiple

R 5 SI 1957.jpg
 
E 38 in the Bronx had some kind of seasonal brush fire detail many years ago. Anyone know how it worked?
 
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