12/3/2025 Bronx 10-77 2nd Alarm Box 2699

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Location: 1965 Lafayette

Loaded Box, Fire in a High-Rise, Apartment 20F.

XCO - Phone Alarm Box 2699, 1965 Lafayette Avenue, Fire Apt 20F.

XCO/BC18 - Getting apartment 21H.

XCO/BC18 - Getting Apartment 20E, Person cant get out. We are going to load the box.

E096 - We are 84, 10-77, fire out the windows.

XCO - CIDS: MD, 21 Stories, Class 1, 100x50 T Shape, 2 Sets of scissor stairs A-B & C-D, Transverse needs 4 Length, Siamese near front door, 4 Elevators, no 13th Floor Marks.

BC18 - 2699, 2nd Alarm, Heavy fire blowing out, looks like its extending to the floor above.

BC18 - Fire on the 20th Floor, Apt 20F, Fire has auto exposed to 21F, 21 Story Class 1, 100x50 No Exposures, Lines? not in operation, doubtful.

XCO/BC18 - E094N off E090, E082C, L050F, BC26S, T033V, E263S, E072T ST02, E022T HR02V

DC06 - 2699, Fire in Apt 20F, Water on the Fire, Fire communicated to 21F, stretching a line, separate fire in 5F, DWH.

DC06 - Searches in Public Hallways on the 20th and 21st floor are complete and negative. (Duration 20 Minutes)

XCO/DC06 - Receiving Smoke Apt 10G.

DC06 - Water on the Fire in 5F, 1 Occupant from 5F sheltering in place.

DC06 - We need two additional truck companies. (T017/T054s/c T164/T050s/c)

BC43 - 10-84 at Floyd Bennet Field

DC06 - We don't need them.

DC06 - Primaries in 5F are Complete and Negative, Primaries on the 5th Floor hallways are Complete and Negative.

Rundown:
Post #3 - http://nycfire.net/forums/threads/12-3-2025-bronx-10-77-2nd-alarm-box-2699.91337/post-317125

Cars:
Car 1 (Fire Commissioner)
Car 4D (Chief Of Counter Terrorism & Emergency Preparedness)
Car 23D (Press Duty)

Relocations:
E047/E089
E084/E045
E291/E073
E273/E064
E258/E082
T017/T054
T045/T031
L023/L058
L164/L050
L154/L047
BC27/BC18
BC10/BC17

EMS Information - MCI77 - CAD 5330 - Box 2699​

Staging: Lafayette & Pugsley, Best access on either

CW1 - MCI 21 in the Borough of the Bronx, 1965 Lafayette, Box Number 2699, CAD 5330

574 - Send that over

HT1 - Haztac 1

2158 XR3 - Show us responding with Rescue 3 to the 10-77.

2159 CW1 - MCI transmitted in the Borough of the Bronx is now a High-rise.

2200 LS6 - 10-63 to the 77.

2201 HT1 - 63 to the 77 in the Bronx.

2202 CW1/MV1 - 77 on Lafayette and ?

2203 CW/MR7 - Your coming on for the 77.

2203 ? - Please

2203 CW1 - The MCI Box 2699 has been upgraded to a 2nd Alarm.

2205 20D - Do you have any resources 84 yet on this 22?

2206 20D - Staging is Pugsley and Lafayette, heavy fire out of the windows of a high-rise, potential is high, best access is either way on Pugsley or Lafayette.

2211 C20 - Confirming the MCI, Fire Operations are ongoing, potential will remain high, walking up to the command post for a total patient count.

2213 C20 - Command post is infront of the Incident Location, at this time there are no patients.

2216 574 - The next conditions boss you have come on scene, have them take staging.

2216 C14 - That will be me, Staging on Pugsley.

2222 574 - Operations are ongoing, Potential remains high to Public Safety, moderate to civilians, patient count is 1 Green Tag Civilian.

2223 574 - C17 can take a 87.

2224 574 - MERV1 can also take an 87.

2242 574 - Operations are ongoing, Potential is Moderate to Public Safety, Low to Civilians, that 1 Green Tag Civilian is going to now be an Orange Tag, Any other units 63 can take an 87.

2300 574 - Operations are deescalating, fire is under control, patient count remains at 1 Orange Tag Civilian, the following units can be released: P03 Z20 HT1 XR3 03O C14, I will hold with everybody else.

2318 574 - Show C20 taking over as Medical Branch, I am 10-8.

2318 C20 - Fire operations are deescalating, potential is low for public safety.


Unassigned:
ALS: 18X Z20 20X P03
BLS: 20D 20E 03N 03O 20D 82B 82I
SUPR: C15 C17
RESC:
SPEC: MERV1 MRTU7 LSU6

Designations:
Medical Branch: 574
Deputy Medical Branch?: C20
Staging Officer: C14
Rescue Group: HT1 XR3
 
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10-77:
E096, E090, E089, E045, E094N, E082C, E064*
T054, L047, T050F, T058, T041, T033V
BC18, BC03, BC20, BC26S
RS03
Q061
DC06
RA03
RB01, SB01, FC01, RM01
*T041 Normally 3rd Due, Initially Unavailable (Replaced L048)*
*E064 Normally 2nd Due, Initially Unavailable (EMS Box 2882) - Assigned As Extra Engine*

2nd Alarm:
E088, E046, E073, E263S
E072T ST02
E022T HR02V
L048, T031, T017 act. T054 s/c, T164 act. T050 s/c, L154 act. L047 s/c
BC19, BC17R, BC43AR
CT01, TS01, MK01

Additional Relocations:
E071 act. E096
L032 act. L048
T044 act. T031
T022 act. T041
T152 act. T050
BC52 act. BC20

*Selected Staging Area - White Plains Rd & Bruckner Blvd*

FC: PWH - 22:47.

FC: (1) 10-45 Code 3 - 22:55.

FC: Under Control - 23:04 (Duration 1hr, 10 Min).
 
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**{ FDNY BOX 2699 ~ BRONX }**~**{ FDNY BATTLING A FAST MOVING 2ND ALARM HIGH RISE FIRE, ON THE 20TH FLOOR OF A MULTIPLE DWELLING WITH EXTENSION TO THE FLOOR ABOVE, ON LAFAYETTE AVENUE IN THE SOUNDVIEW AREA OF THE BRONX IN NEW YORK CITY }**…..
 
This job and the accompanying training bulletin issued by Training/safety and the footage provided by Majesterium provide for many training opportunities, especially for non departments that don’t encounter these types of fires.

1. The members did an excellent job here. Not many departments can get 4 lines in service inside a high rise bldg that quickly. It’s all about the manpower which leads to # 2:
2. Summon additional resources immediately- high rise operations are manpower sponges. In many departments this would have easily gone to 4 or five alarms. The first due BC did just that immediately upon arrival
3. Are your chauffeurs prepared to handle the hydraulics? Here the operation is : pumping 200 feet of 3.5” to FD connection, lifting the water 21 stories up, flowing 1000 GPM (4 lines) , and pumping 4-5 lengths laterally. This results in a pump discharge pressure of about 245. ( 34+25+105+31+50). This is well within the operating parameters of the 2000 GPM pump and the working pressures of the hoses. If you are operating a 2 stage pump are you gonna pump in pressure or volume. Also remember that as you elevate the discharge pressures above 150 you lose pump capacity. Pumps GPM capacity rates at 150 psi. 70% at 200 psi and 50% at 250psi. But those numbers are determined from drafting water - not a pressurized source This a 2000 GPM pumper pumping 250 psi would only produce. 1400 GPM from a draft. The 1000 GPM pumps used in the 70’s and 80’s might have been pushed to their limit in this scenario. But in this scenario coming off a pressurized hydrant and flowing 1000 GPM was easy work for 96 engine. However,
4. The 4 lines inside the building are being supplied by a single 3.5” supply line. If that line bursts or separates from a coupling…….. always get two lines into the FD connection asap. Preferably from a second engine. It’s your insurance policy for the members operating inside.

Solid work at this job and a wealth of opportunities to reinforce high rise operations.
 
FDNY policy is to operate in "pressure" mode when supplying a system.

Wonder if one "volume" pumper and one "pressure" pumper would complement each other in a situation like this? Maybe if there was a second, separate Siamese, correction FDC.
 
scoobyd said:
FDNY policy is to operate in "pressure" mode when supplying a system.

Wonder if one "volume" pumper and one "pressure" pumper would complement each other in a situation like this? Maybe if there was a second, separate Siamese, correction FDC.
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well in theory could 1 engine hook up to 1 side of the FDC and another to the other side, both pumping in Pressure & Volume Mode?
 
scoobyd said:
FDNY policy is to operate in "pressure" mode when supplying a system.

Wonder if one "volume" pumper and one "pressure" pumper would complement each other in a situation like this? Maybe if there was a second, separate Siamese, correction FDC.
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Yes correct. Throwing that out there for all around country who don’t get to do these ops too often. Yes the two engines pumping into a FD connection with one pumping volume and one pumping pressure is very common for departments that have 40-50+ story buildings and do not have high pressure pumpers like FDNY.
 
I have also seen departments using 4” and 5” LDH hose to supply an FD connection. Unless the hose is special high pressure LDH hose , the maximum working pressure is typically 185psi with a burst of 250 psi. Cutting corners can come back to bite you in the ass. The FDNY high pressure hoses are red in color and double jacketed
 
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