12/30/23 Bronx 2nd Alarm Box 3013

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Incident Location: 1210 Elder Avenue

Phone Alarm Reporting Fire In Apartment 2F On The 2nd Floor.

BX/B18: Receiving Apartments 1B, 2F & The 6th Floor.

BX/B18: Reported Fire Out The Windows & People On The Fire Escape.

CIDS: 5-Story 100x100 Class 3 Multiple Dwelling, 13 Apartments Per Floor.

E96: 10-75 The Box, Heavy Smoke In The Street.

BX/B18: Receiving Apartment 2C Reporting People Trapped

B18: Transmit The All Hands. Not 10-84 Yet, Stuck In Some Traffic.

B18: s/c An Extra Engine & Truck (E82/L48).

BX/B18: TL31 Is Designated Your FAST Truck & Medical Branch Resources Are Responding.

BX/B18: Also Receiving Apartment 5D.

B18: Fire On The 2nd Floor In The B Wing Of A H-Type Multiple Dwelling. (Duration 9 Min)

Exposures:
1: Street
2: Alley
3: Alley
4: Alley

B18: 2 L/S, Water On The Fire. (Duration 10 Min)

B18: (1) 10-45 No Code. (Duration 10 Min)

B18: 2 L/S, 1 L/O. Fire Apartment Is 2F. We Need EMS Forthwith. (Duration 11 Min)

BX/D6: Receiving Apartment 4D Reported Occupants Can Not Leave Apartment.

B18: 2 L/O, 3rd Line Being Stretched. We Need EMS Forthwith To The Front Of The Building.

D6: Transmit The 2nd Alarm.

BX/D6: B20RUL, B17SO, E72 w/ Satellite 2. (Duration 17 Min)

D6: (1) Additional 10-45 No Code, Total Of (2). Put A Rush On EMS, They Are Not Here Yet. (Duration 18 Min)

*Selected Staging Area Is Westchester Avenue & Evergreen Avenue.*

D6: (2) Additional 10-45 No Codes, Total Of (4). (Duration 26 Min)

D6: 3 L/S, 2 L/O. MBOFKD. Trucks Are Opening Up, Checking For Extension. DWH. (Duration 29 Min)

D6: s/c (1) Additional Truck (TL17 act. TL54).

D6: Primary Searches In Apartment 2F & 2C Are Complete & Negative, DWH. (Duration 33 Min)

D6: Total Of (5) 10-45's. (1) Red Tag & The Other (4) Are Green Tags. PWH. (Duration 37 Min)

D6: Secondary Searches Throughout Are Complete & Negative, Under Control. (Duration 50 Min)

10-75 (All Hands):
E45, E96, E94, E90, E82 s/c
TL58, TL54, TL31F, L48 s/c
B18, B3
R3
SQ61
D6
RAC3
*E82 Initially Unavailable, EMS Run*

2nd Alarm:
E46, E64, E50
E72 w/ Satellite 2
TL41, TL17 act. TL54 s/c
B26, B20RUL, B17SO
RB, SB, FC, RM1, TAC1, CTU

Relocations:
E83 act. E94
E71 act. E45
TL17 act. TL54
E79 act. E90
B53 act. B18
TL160 act. TL41
E306 act. E64
TL46 act. TL31
TL117 act. TL54
E91 act. E50
 
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The Batt. aide, either through his own untrained initiative, or the directions of the chief - gives 3 exposures as alleys?

EXP. 2 - a 2 story 20 x50 dwelling separated by a 6 ft driveway
EXP. 4 - Elder Ave. Grocery, part of a 1 story 100x100 taxpayer separated by a 5 ft. alleyway.
The PD's on Boynton Ave. are only about 15 ft. away which would make them EXP. 3

Alleys and driveways are NOT exposures! Anything within 30 ft. unless they changed the communications manual, is a exposure.

The aerial photo speaks for itself.
When are they going to come out with a Battalion firefighter manual if they won't take the time to properly train them either in house or at the Rock?
 

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seniorofficer said:
The Batt. aide, either through his own untrained initiative, or the directions of the chief - gives 3 exposures as alleys?

EXP. 2 - a 2 story 20 x50 dwelling separated by a 6 ft driveway
EXP. 4 - Elder Ave. Grocery, part of a 1 story 100x100 taxpayer separated by a 5 ft. alleyway.
The PD's on Boynton Ave. are only about 15 ft. away which would make them EXP. 3

Alleys and driveways are NOT exposures! Anything within 30 ft. unless they changed the communications manual, is a exposure.

The aerial photo speaks for itself.
When are they going to come out with a Battalion firefighter manual if they won't take the time to properly train them either in house or at the Rock?
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I don’t want to speak for anyone but I do know it was not the normal aide
 
seniorofficer said:
The Batt. aide, either through his own untrained initiative, or the directions of the chief - gives 3 exposures as alleys?

EXP. 2 - a 2 story 20 x50 dwelling separated by a 6 ft driveway
EXP. 4 - Elder Ave. Grocery, part of a 1 story 100x100 taxpayer separated by a 5 ft. alleyway.
The PD's on Boynton Ave. are only about 15 ft. away which would make them EXP. 3

Alleys and driveways are NOT exposures! Anything within 30 ft. unless they changed the communications manual, is a exposure.

The aerial photo speaks for itself.
When are they going to come out with a Battalion firefighter manual if they won't take the time to properly train them either in house or at the Rock?
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They give exposures as alleys, streets, driveways, etc. all the time.... so I would find it hard to believe that they are wrong in that.
 
The only thing aides get is the piece of paper they are supposed to fill in and read…. That’s why most reports sound the same….
 
seniorofficer said:
The Batt. aide, either through his own untrained initiative, or the directions of the chief - gives 3 exposures as alleys?

EXP. 2 - a 2 story 20 x50 dwelling separated by a 6 ft driveway
EXP. 4 - Elder Ave. Grocery, part of a 1 story 100x100 taxpayer separated by a 5 ft. alleyway.
The PD's on Boynton Ave. are only about 15 ft. away which would make them EXP. 3

Alleys and driveways are NOT exposures! Anything within 30 ft. unless they changed the communications manual, is a exposure.

The aerial photo speaks for itself.
When are they going to come out with a Battalion firefighter manual if they won't take the time to properly train them either in house or at the Rock?
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Your idea of a Manual for Battalion Aide is a valuable idea. The Aide has to give precise information and progress reports as well instances where the Aide is more than just a communication relay. More aspects to the job than just ‘Office work’.
 
seniorofficer said:
When is the last time we ever say the fire communicate to a 5 ft alley or driveway? Asking for friend.
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GeoC said:
Your idea of a Manual for Battalion Aide is a valuable idea. The Aide has to give precise information and progress reports as well instances where the Aide is more than just a communication relay. More aspects to the job than just ‘Office work’.
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Totally agree; but in listening to the radio for the past few months, it's apparent that there are many "one day wonders" driving chiefs. From what I've heard, there is supposedly a shortage of permanent battalion firefighters. These fill-ins are doing the best they can in relation to their own personal knowledge and experience, which in many cases is - none.
They are taking piecemeal what the chief is giving to them and rebroadcasting it in the way they perceive the information should be transmitted. There should be a reference manual in the office and an abbreviated version in the car to help these guys out and to help to give accurate, concise information to the dispatcher.
 
Valid point. But why is it so vital to provide exposure details to dispatch? nevermind that they can easily look it up on the map in most cases.
 
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